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Again the IORR reviews are split between people who attended and those who didn't. Just like in Vegas those who went raved about it and those who "attended" via phone have lots of negative nonsense. The show was well attended. Sure there were empty seats but there were 2 to 3 arenas full of people. The band is not doing an arena or club tour. They are doing the set list they choose to do and those attending loved it. Was having lunch before heading to airport and a guy saw us wearing our shirts and asked if we went. He last saw them in 1981 and had low expectations going in. He couldn't stop talking about how amazing the show was. Everyone I came in contact with from the guy working at the hotel to the people on the street all had positives. I guess the place to go if we want negative views on the show is IORR.

I went with 3 people, 2 that had never seen them. They were absolutely blown away. They said they heard they were amazing but that it defied their expectations. It was a great show.

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A near perfect Seattle Stones show for my daughters first show
Arrived to hear Depending on You and Dreamy Skies very clearly for soundcheck, grabbed a couple "Seattle Dogs" (it's a thing) and eventually settled into a very roomy and comfortable Pit B.

Chanel blew my daughter away...and she was mesmerized by Mick of course, but to see her light up when he stopped on the catwalk nearby us right away on SMU, was fantastic. Surpassed her expectations by a long shot, and the new songs were a highlight for her, she genuinely loves the new album, SSOH the highlight of the night for her.. Great night, great first show

Glad your daughter liked it. Taking her to Vancouver? I was walking out with a couple near my age who never had seen the Stones before and were blown away. Were discussing going to Santa Clara and when I mentioned there was a Vancouver show they are now going to do both. They said they really regretted never going before.

Mr.DDDD: So happy your daughter had such a great time! Maybe she'll get to go to one other show.

In Las Vegas, we couldn't hear any of the sound check, with the closed roof. What a pity, oh, well.

I met a few first timers, one young guy on the plane. He enjoyed himself very much. Another couple in line for the pit was
having a hard time with the wait, but I'm sure they liked the show.

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Hi Big Al I was at the San Diego show in 2022. I was coming off knee surgery so was placed in front row. It was an amazing show in my top 5 for sure. So loud my left ear will never be the same.

Blues based show and the fact there was no Miss You was great.

Enjoy the tour all Vegas

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Again the IORR reviews are split between people who attended and those who didn't. Just like in Vegas those who went raved about it and those who "attended" via phone have lots of negative nonsense. The show was well attended. Sure there were empty seats but there were 2 to 3 arenas full of people. The band is not doing an arena or club tour. They are doing the set list they choose to do and those attending loved it. Was having lunch before heading to airport and a guy saw us wearing our shirts and asked if we went. He last saw them in 1981 and had low expectations going in. He couldn't stop talking about how amazing the show was. Everyone I came in contact with from the guy working at the hotel to the people on the street all had positives. I guess the place to go if we want negative views on the show is IORR.

I went with 3 people, 2 that had never seen them. They were absolutely blown away. They said they heard they were amazing but that it defied their expectations. It was a great show.

I think these are the people the band is trying to please. Not those staying home andcomplaining about setlists, Keith and everything else. The fans who were blown away are buying music, merch and most importantly tickets. I have now been to 3 of 5 and have met many who have not seen or its been decades since their last Stones concert and every one has been blown away. This is from the tween girl in Vegas to the 20 something server at lunch to the woman on my flight who is probably my age. Easily a dozen people at the airport provided unsolicited praise of the show. Sort of sounds like the reaction of people seeing Taykor Swift for the time.

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A near perfect Seattle Stones show for my daughters first show
Arrived to hear Depending on You and Dreamy Skies very clearly for soundcheck, grabbed a couple "Seattle Dogs" (it's a thing) and eventually settled into a very roomy and comfortable Pit B.

Chanel blew my daughter away...and she was mesmerized by Mick of course, but to see her light up when he stopped on the catwalk nearby us right away on SMU, was fantastic. Surpassed her expectations by a long shot, and the new songs were a highlight for her, she genuinely loves the new album, SSOH the highlight of the night for her.. Great night, great first show

Right before the Depending On You and Dreamy Skies, they sound checked Wild Horses and Bite My Head Off. Interesting none of those new tracks were played.

Admittedly i wasn't there but watched all available footage and that Seattle review isn't entirely accurate.
Mick looked, sounded and moved like a fit man of say 65 to 70, definitely not like an 80 year old but absolutely not like he was performing even 5 years ago.
He's still getting by but age has unfortunately caught up with him, it's caught up with all of them.
It's still incredible though on songs like GS, Chanel Haynes has the energy that's missing and steals Micks thunder. Shelter kind of saves the day, man they need Rambler back though and drop a couple of HD tracks that clearly don't work vocally.

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A near perfect Seattle Stones show for my daughters first show
Arrived to hear Depending on You and Dreamy Skies very clearly for soundcheck, grabbed a couple "Seattle Dogs" (it's a thing) and eventually settled into a very roomy and comfortable Pit B.

Chanel blew my daughter away...and she was mesmerized by Mick of course, but to see her light up when he stopped on the catwalk nearby us right away on SMU, was fantastic. Surpassed her expectations by a long shot, and the new songs were a highlight for her, she genuinely loves the new album, SSOH the highlight of the night for her.. Great night, great first show

Right before the Depending On You and Dreamy Skies, they sound checked Wild Horses and Bite My Head Off. Interesting none of those new tracks were played.

But it's a good sign that they keep on warming up those songs. Hopely they will make the set list some day. There are still dates left. For Keith's new tune too.

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Still complaining about setlists? Feels old at this point. Just be glad they're still performing anything at 80 years old.

Well now, what can a poor boy do?
'Cept to complain setlists behind a laptop screen?



- Doxa

I think as long as they are charging serious $$ to see them play, I think people have a right to be critical of the content of concerts. I think many people expected more, with the quality of the Hackney Diamonds album, the band would play more of it and celebrate fresh songs at this stage of their career. Reality is they're a huge "brand", not really a band, and not willing to take many risks at this point. Play the warhorses, put money into massive video and stage and merch and appeal to the most broad spectrum of the population that has disposable income. Not sure I would do any different if I were 80 and wanted as little risk is possible for my business. The alternative for fans: don't spend money on it.

Sorry, but you are spewing verbal diarrhea. Last night's show was one for the ages, and I did not see one pouty face amongst the 10s of thousands. That show had no right to be so good. It was massive, and while I thought my last Seattle show in 2019 was one of my favourite, last night was even better.

Just complete Stones awesomeness....A BAND that makes the brand.

I have always said to you Treacle that this Rolling Stones band is a pretty good band. Worth checking live. Glad you enjoyed the show.

- Doxa

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Still complaining about setlists? Feels old at this point. Just be glad they're still performing anything at 80 years old.

Well now, what can a poor boy do?
'Cept to complain setlists behind a laptop screen?



- Doxa

I think as long as they are charging serious $$ to see them play, I think people have a right to be critical of the content of concerts. I think many people expected more, with the quality of the Hackney Diamonds album, the band would play more of it and celebrate fresh songs at this stage of their career. Reality is they're a huge "brand", not really a band, and not willing to take many risks at this point. Play the warhorses, put money into massive video and stage and merch and appeal to the most broad spectrum of the population that has disposable income. Not sure I would do any different if I were 80 and wanted as little risk is possible for my business. The alternative for fans: don't spend money on it.

Bob Dylan doesn't give a shit about anything you just listed.

Of course, he's not The Rolling Stones.

Something happened in the timeline of BRIDGES-LICKS-BANG: because The Rolling Stones lost interest in expanding with the VOODOO tours, then having another new album and a little bit later confining themselves to what became A BIGGER BANG, after the quasi-brilliance that BRIDGES TO BABYLON was, and then the LICKS tour... at that point, a tour where they could really play it all, basically... Mick was still focused on sales, and BANG didn't sell enough, but here's this 147 show tour...

Somewhere in the BANG tour The Rolling Stones ceased to believe in themselves as an ongoing artistically creative band... and got into the business of covering themselves.

Since then it's been strictly age defiance - until BLUE AND LONESOME came out. That decidedly off the track release aside, what did they do?

Nothing - except continue touring. Eventually a single. Years later, after Charlie died, a new album.

Which is outstanding.

Is it? They're only playing 3 from it. The last time they cut themselves short of performing new songs from a new album, oh, right - 2005-07.

Prior to that... the albums that they toured they played quite a few, with one exception - SOME GIRLS.

Until 2002-03 they played new songs. Quite so.

"Oh it wasn't that good - it didn't sell 4 million copies" etc, said Mick over the years, not paying attention to the live show audience.

Didn't LICKS inform him?

Obviously not other than Loving Cup and Shine A Light.

Then that stupid movie in 2008.

Here we are - 7 months after HD came out, and they're only playing 3 songs from it.

Yet spent how many years and whatever wherever with whoever and the record comes out, the hype of "it has to be great" yet... play only 3 songs live.

They're deciders - and victims of their bizarre decisions - BLACK AND BLUE, SOME GIRLS and EMOTIONAL RESCUE prove that.

They have a fantastic new album but they only play 3 from it. No one is really expecting Angie or Wild Horses, etc but if they play those, well, it's automatic anyway.

Those two could be easily replaced with two new songs.

The last tour to gradually have new songs stick around, basically, was STEEL WHEELS.

People wish they'd play Coming Down Again but think Tell Me Straight won't work in a stadium (play it loud and tell me it won't work in a stadium).

At this ending era they're doomed to have to play whatever, regardless of a new album, because a majority want to hear...

Given the richness of the band's repertoire and the must-have, 3 tracks from HD, that's great!

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Given the richness of the band's repertoire and the must-have 3 tracks from HD, that's great!

Well, if we leave fantasies aside, and forget old myths of 'living and breathing artists' vs. 'nostalgia acts' (it is no 20th Century any longer) and be realistic, three new numbers is pretty nice number for them to play. No matter who great the new album is, it doesn't signify much for them for what they are and what people want to see. They are much more than a recent album. They know that and their audience knows that. Romanticism aside, let's not be naive.

I think this been the case since STEEL WHEELS. Yeah, probably they might have played a song or two more from it or from the following albums per tour, but let's be frank: it would be re-writing history to claim that those were any show highligths or things to remembered afterwards. More like like played out of duty since there was a new album out, and the nice audience half-heartidly applauded them out of duty as well to get something more interesting (but they didn't fool Jagger who was making notes).

I guess the pragmatics of a great rock and roll show is essentially something else than what statistics say or showing off how great one's latest material is. You know, like always proving that one is there creatively as relevant as ever. Shit, they are there to make people's ass move and them to have a great time with the band and other fans, drink beer, cheer, clap hands and sing-a-long... that's something else than attending a classical concert or a church mess. Or a performance of an avantgarde artist. For the latter I would go see Dylan.

I get sometimes feeling that some of us diehard Stones fans do not quite want to recognize or admit what makes this band special and what their true forte as a live band is. What they do each night is something extraordinary. That's nothing to do with contingent songs played. Or is Keith a shadow of his old self or Mick moving like he used to.

The tens of thousands of happy people who happened to be there at Seattle last night know what I am talking about. It is no rocket Science. It's Only Rock'n'Roll.

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You're right.
See the probable setlist for the first concert of AC/DC's European tour, which kicks off tonight, same thing. 24 songs but that remains to be verified...

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When will we know the exact attendance at the Seattle show?

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Doxa —

How do you reconcile the above comment with your own post during the group’s L.A. rehearsal on the other thread?

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two new songs in a row? 98% of concertgoers won't be able to cope with this…

How did they cope with that on the Bridges to Babylon tour, where Saint of Me and Out of Control were routinely played back-to-back?

Speaking of that…how did they cope with the flow of the show on the Some Girls tour, where they played eight songs in a row from the new album? And the show started with Let It Rock…(I know, it was a different story in 1978, but still).

Those brave young men... who already were seen as old farts back in 1978 and who needed to prove that they were not yesterday's papers just relying on old classic material. That of playing eight (!) new songs in a row was a statement. The previous tours from 1972 to 1976 were like greatest hits packages compared to that... The more brave it was considering that not all of their audiences already back then were that thrilled of hearing so many new songs in a row. But it was a part of having kicked at their ass by the punk at the time. They needed to have a new relevance with their new stuff, even by the cost of what their old fans think.

I hope they will have a little bit of that SOME GIRLS era attitude now... after more than a decade playing just old classic stuff they have new stuff to show off...

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Doxa —

How do you reconcile the above comment with your own post during the group’s L.A. rehearsal on the other thread?

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two new songs in a row? 98% of concertgoers won't be able to cope with this…

How did they cope with that on the Bridges to Babylon tour, where Saint of Me and Out of Control were routinely played back-to-back?

Speaking of that…how did they cope with the flow of the show on the Some Girls tour, where they played eight songs in a row from the new album? And the show started with Let It Rock…(I know, it was a different story in 1978, but still).

Those brave young men... who already were seen as old farts back in 1978 and who needed to prove that they were not yesterday's papers just relying on old classic material. That of playing eight (!) new songs in a row was a statement. The previous tours from 1972 to 1976 were like greatest hits packages compared to that... The more brave it was considering that not all of their audiences already back then were that thrilled of hearing so many new songs in a row. But it was a part of having kicked at their ass by the punk at the time. They needed to have a new relevance with their new stuff, even by the cost of what their old fans think.

I hope they will have a little bit of that SOME GIRLS era attitude now... after more than a decade playing just old classic stuff they have new stuff to show off...

- Doxa

Thank you RisingStone to have the energy to recall my old sayings. Honestly, I do appreciate that. And I hope you see that I appreciate a lot of your contribution here. It is a priviledge to reply into your writings, even though I might differ in opinions sometimes.

That said, I think what I back then hoped probably was a bit more than they have offered us so far. I thought probably three songs was realistic, and four or five had been more like wish dream from my side (although I think it will happen when Keith finally will let "Tell Me Straight" out).

But I am no way disappointed. Not at all. I cherish the new songs played live like I do all the rest.

- Doxa



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"I notice that Keith only seems to mess up the SMU intro when it's the opener: if it's later in the set it's usually OK. Nerves, rusty fingers or dislike? Take your pick.".

The same happened with "Brown Sugrar" (atleast 4 times) in 2003, when the song was opener. And if I remember correctly, in 1981-82 too, with the intro of UMT, that was the opener then. So, I think it's has to do with a kind of "start nervousness"...

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When will we know the exact attendance at the Seattle show?

Not sure when the numbers will roll in for the tour.. after it's over sometime I believe.

Seattle show was sparse comparatively no doubt, but I was quite surprised how much it had filled up by showtime. Rear GA was the only area that was left wide open. Probably clock in at just a few thousand less than the other stadiums. Couple reasons..I think the main being the Vancouver show less than 150 miles away in a couple months. Didn't bring the crowd down as it normally might. Good turnout from the members here though Personally enjoyed the little extra breathing room and the relatively mellow hometown crowd.

All this childlike school teacher vibe of well the boys and girls went home with happy smiling faces, casual fans went home happy like that's all that matters. I see happy smiling faces every week where cover band's play everything from ELO, Eagles, Stones, Simon and Garfuncle etc, but that's the whole point, they are cover bands charging £30, you expect just the hits, but the Stones themselves should deliver more new material ( if it was any good ) but certainly this late in the game delve deeper into their back catalogue.
Ask themselves are we playing at 80 years of age to satisfy casual fans to make big bucks, or shall we use this oppertunity to air some equally brilliant tracks that were not necessary hits in the charts.

Let It Loose
Coming Down Again
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Hand Of Fate
100 Years Ago
Time Waits For No One
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Endless opportunities to play these songs and maybe 50 others just as good have been squandered, even if it was a few theatre shows that were recorded and filmed for the fans to watch at home on what ever format. . It's never gonna happen now.

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Doxa —

How do you reconcile the above comment with your own post during the group’s L.A. rehearsal on the other thread?

Re: The Rolling Stones set list discussions
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Date: April 16, 2024 15:09

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two new songs in a row? 98% of concertgoers won't be able to cope with this…

How did they cope with that on the Bridges to Babylon tour, where Saint of Me and Out of Control were routinely played back-to-back?

Speaking of that…how did they cope with the flow of the show on the Some Girls tour, where they played eight songs in a row from the new album? And the show started with Let It Rock…(I know, it was a different story in 1978, but still).

Those brave young men... who already were seen as old farts back in 1978 and who needed to prove that they were not yesterday's papers just relying on old classic material. That of playing eight (!) new songs in a row was a statement. The previous tours from 1972 to 1976 were like greatest hits packages compared to that... The more brave it was considering that not all of their audiences already back then were that thrilled of hearing so many new songs in a row. But it was a part of having kicked at their ass by the punk at the time. They needed to have a new relevance with their new stuff, even by the cost of what their old fans think.

I hope they will have a little bit of that SOME GIRLS era attitude now... after more than a decade playing just old classic stuff they have new stuff to show off...

- Doxa

Thank you RisingStone to have the energy to recall my old sayings. Honestly, I do appreciate that. And I hope you see that I appreciate a lot of your contribution here. It is a priviledge to reply into your writings, even though I might differ in opinions sometimes.

That said, I think what I back then hoped probably was a bit more than they have offered us so far. I thought probably three songs was realistic, and four or five had been more like wish dream from my side (although I think it will happen when Keith finally will let "Tell Me Straight" out).

But I am no way disappointed. Not at all. I cherish the new songs played live like I do all the rest.

- Doxa

Out of 19 songs, to play 3 from any one album is significant and to get that from the newest album is bordering "courageous" given how many amazing songs need to be cast to the side to make room for them. You hear the vitriol right on a fansite ("WAH!...where is Midnight Rambler?!")

That said, it would be awesome if they were able to debut a few others, (Get Close, Bite My Head Off, Depending On You, Dreamy Skies) swapping them out for WWW/Mess It Up. It's just difficult as Angry and SSoH are the singles, SSoH the showstopping encore and probably cannot be touched.

I think the easiest one is to add in there is Tell Me Straight. In classic fashion when Keith started You Got The Silver in Seattle, streams of people not knowing the song headed for their bathroom break. No one in my group knew the tune.

I did my bathroom break during Bonamassa. Planning is everything!

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All this childlike school teacher vibe of well the boys and girls went home with happy smiling faces, casual fans went home happy like that's all that matters. I see happy smiling faces every week where cover band's play everything from ELO, Eagles, Stones, Simon and Garfuncle etc, but that's the whole point, they are cover bands charging £30, you expect just the hits, but the Stones themselves should deliver more new material ( if it was any good ) but certainly this late in the game delve deeper into their back catalogue.
Ask themselves are we playing at 80 years of age to satisfy casual fans to make big bucks, or shall we use this oppertunity to air some equally brilliant tracks that were not necessary hits in the charts.

Let It Loose
Coming Down Again
TOPS
Crazy Mama
Hand Of Fate
100 Years Ago
Time Waits For No One
Play With Fire
Winter


Endless opportunities to play these songs and maybe 50 others just as good have been squandered, even if it was a few theatre shows that were recorded and filmed for the fans to watch at home on what ever format. . It's never gonna happen now.

You weren't there. You are just that old guy yelling getvoff my lawn..... Stop living in your own fantasy land bubble.

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Thank you RisingStone to have the energy to recall my old sayings. Honestly, I do appreciate that. And I hope you see that I appreciate a lot of your contribution here. It is a priviledge to reply into your writings, even though I might differ in opinions sometimes.

That said, I think what I back then hoped probably was a bit more than they have offered us so far. I thought probably three songs was realistic, and four or five had been more like wish dream from my side (although I think it will happen when Keith finally will let "Tell Me Straight" out).

But I am no way disappointed. Not at all. I cherish the new songs played live like I do all the rest.

- Doxa

Many thanks for your kind words. Indeed I feel appreciated.

I tend to remember a reply directed at my post fairly well.

Three songs from the new album. Are they enough or not? I’d feel one too few, personally. Tell Me Straight is a must. Whole Wide World should be a staple, not optional with Mess It Up.

Together with Angry and SSOH, they would make a nice quartet from HD for the tour, the essentials IMHO.

Alright, anyway - cool that Ronnie sat down with Keith during the Gimme Shelter-intro. That´s what friends are for...

Mick is more focused on singing than he was e.g. 10 years ago.

A bit of age is present, but not as much as you are suggesting.

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Admittedly i wasn't there but watched all available footage and that Seattle review isn't entirely accurate.
Mick looked, sounded and moved like a fit man of say 65 to 70, definitely not like an 80 year old but absolutely not like he was performing even 5 years ago.
He's still getting by but age has unfortunately caught up with him, it's caught up with all of them.
It's still incredible though on songs like GS, Chanel Haynes has the energy that's missing and steals Micks thunder. Shelter kind of saves the day, man they need Rambler back though and drop a couple of HD tracks that clearly don't work vocally.

no Seattle reviews on IORR?? => [iorr.org]

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All this childlike school teacher vibe of well the boys and girls went home with happy smiling faces, casual fans went home happy like that's all that matters. I see happy smiling faces every week where cover band's play everything from ELO, Eagles, Stones, Simon and Garfuncle etc, but that's the whole point, they are cover bands charging £30, you expect just the hits, but the Stones themselves should deliver more new material ( if it was any good ) but certainly this late in the game delve deeper into their back catalogue.
Ask themselves are we playing at 80 years of age to satisfy casual fans to make big bucks, or shall we use this oppertunity to air some equally brilliant tracks that were not necessary hits in the charts.

Let It Loose
Coming Down Again
TOPS
Crazy Mama
Hand Of Fate
100 Years Ago
Time Waits For No One
Play With Fire
Winter


Endless opportunities to play these songs and maybe 50 others just as good have been squandered, even if it was a few theatre shows that were recorded and filmed for the fans to watch at home on what ever format. . It's never gonna happen now.

You've got a point but that ship has sailed. Maybe that could have happened if they had kept Taylor on board in 2015...but they must have figured, "why bother" ? Let's play it "safe"/"easy", but you know what, doing what they do at this point in the game and at their age is ANYTHING but easy, they're ultimate pros, especially Mick so they make it look easy but it isn't and very soon now it will be over. At best by 2030, probably earlier, for better or worse.

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There are definitely aspects of the band that are worth criticizing. But complaining that the band isn’t catering their Setlist’s to YOUR specific tastes and interests is, in my opinion, unfair criticism.

Like it or not, they have to play a certain amount of hits in order to have the average concert-goer leave feeling satisfied. It’s a miracle that they don’t just play the exact same greatest hits setlist every night, they certainly could, they have way more than 19 hit songs.

People still complain that the band needs to play less warhorses, the band stops playing Brown Sugar and Midnight Rambler and those same fans start throwing a tantrum.

You can never please these people.

As someone on IORR said once

“We bitch, we buy, we boast”

the problem is they are "victims" of their great catalogue. fit in everything in a 2 hours set is not possible. but i guess the vast majority of the live crowd is happy. mission fullfilled, well done boys