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The Rolling Stones don't use click tracks for live shows. Why you would think such a thing is beyond me.
Ridiculous.
I looked and listened better, it actually seems like they don't use it, but there is the initial count of Chuck L. who uses a metronome, I also noticed that they use IEM.
However, if the song is started on the count of Chuck using a metronome, I don't understand how Steve can decide the tempo. There is only the unknown for those songs that Keith starts, but even here... what does Steve have to do with it?
Whether Chuck has a metronome and he hollers the count out is not using a click track! U2 uses a click and probably a lot of other artists.
What's up with Clifford's "harmonica" on Miss You? What the hell.
It's simple. There are songs that Keith starts (SMU, JJF...), songs that Steve starts (GOOMC, Angry...) and songs that Chuck starts or counts in (HTW, Miss You...). Whoever starts it sets the tempo.
It's clear that if a song is played slower it's not Steve's fault, but it's because the band decided that way.
I don't recall anyone ever saying Jordan has anything to do with it. Not sure why you keep going with that.
So I agree.
Was it because of Jordan tightening the sound up? Maybe that's what it's about.
Maybe...
...played too fast it still rocks, but the "swagger" in the groove gets kind of lost.
Seeing that... damn. What an outstanding performance. Overall. But Keith... that may be when he truly peaked as an artist/performer/singer. Throat cutting riffage.
Things change and he hasn't had that energy since. Or sound or confidence. Sure, the Stones did VOODOO the next year, then BRIDGES and LICKS, and he was great, but the Keith town obliterating boulder that Keith and the Xpensive Winos had become ceased.
Which is really criminal.
Doesn't matter now. That video says a lot - and that's perfectly enough.
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Re: Steve Jordan´s Snare Hit
Posted by:
TheflyingDutchman
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Date: May 8, 2024 19:23
I like this one:
RIP Charlie.
RIP Charlie.
Re: Steve Jordan´s Snare Hit
Posted by:
audun-eg
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Date: May 9, 2024 02:12
There's something about Charlie... I have to say that Steve Jordan is a more consistent drummer, and I like him, by all means, but... Charlie had a unique feel. He was not by any means true to the studio recordings, and even not particularly technical, but still. He had the swing. When he didn't click with the rest of the band, it was cringeworthy, but when it clicked... That made it exciting and it created a tension. There's nothing Jordan can do to match that, and he probably knows it.
Then the rest of the band aren't what they were in their prime.
Edit: Live By the Sword on Hackney... Though not the best Stones tune, Charlie and Bill locking together on that tune. That makes the album for me.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-05-09 02:27 by audun-eg.
Then the rest of the band aren't what they were in their prime.
Edit: Live By the Sword on Hackney... Though not the best Stones tune, Charlie and Bill locking together on that tune. That makes the album for me.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-05-09 02:27 by audun-eg.
Re: Steve Jordan´s Snare Hit
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: May 9, 2024 05:45
Quote
Testify
RS stadium concerts have a lot of technology, how fast SMU has to be played, Steve doesn't decide, but it's a very specific choice of the band, which is made beforehand and they usually play on a click track.
The Rolling Stones don't use click tracks for live shows. Why you would think such a thing is beyond me.
Ridiculous.
Re: Steve Jordan´s Snare Hit
Posted by:
Testify
()
Date: May 9, 2024 16:24
Using the click track is not an offense!Quote
GasLightStreetQuote
Testify
RS stadium concerts have a lot of technology, how fast SMU has to be played, Steve doesn't decide, but it's a very specific choice of the band, which is made beforehand and they usually play on a click track.
The Rolling Stones don't use click tracks for live shows. Why you would think such a thing is beyond me.
Ridiculous.
I looked and listened better, it actually seems like they don't use it, but there is the initial count of Chuck L. who uses a metronome, I also noticed that they use IEM.
However, if the song is started on the count of Chuck using a metronome, I don't understand how Steve can decide the tempo. There is only the unknown for those songs that Keith starts, but even here... what does Steve have to do with it?
Re: Steve Jordan´s Snare Hit
Posted by:
skytrench
()
Date: May 9, 2024 16:28
Steve holds ('sets' was probaby the wrong word) the tempo, while Charlie could be wobbling more during the song.
Re: Steve Jordan´s Snare Hit
Posted by:
Tate
()
Date: May 9, 2024 18:27
I have definitely seen some setlists with bpm beside songs. I do think beginning with SW/Urban Jungle (89/90) they had to coordinate tempo with lights and choreography, etc, but we still hear Keith count songs in, flub songs and restart, etc, so maybe no click track? I would not be quick to assume they don't use a meter at least some of the time, in addition to the recorded percussion of SFTD and once-upon-a-time (89/90 and??) recorded cowbell in HTW.
Re: Steve Jordan´s Snare Hit
Posted by:
MelBelli
()
Date: May 9, 2024 18:53
I fooled around with BPM app. Near as I can tell, they were playing SMU in 1989 at close to 130 bpm. Now they’re around 105. That is a significant slowdown, and I have to imagine the choice is deliberate.
Re: Steve Jordan´s Snare Hit
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: May 10, 2024 00:04
Quote
TestifyUsing the click track is not an offense!Quote
GasLightStreetQuote
Testify
RS stadium concerts have a lot of technology, how fast SMU has to be played, Steve doesn't decide, but it's a very specific choice of the band, which is made beforehand and they usually play on a click track.
The Rolling Stones don't use click tracks for live shows. Why you would think such a thing is beyond me.
Ridiculous.
I looked and listened better, it actually seems like they don't use it, but there is the initial count of Chuck L. who uses a metronome, I also noticed that they use IEM.
However, if the song is started on the count of Chuck using a metronome, I don't understand how Steve can decide the tempo. There is only the unknown for those songs that Keith starts, but even here... what does Steve have to do with it?
Whether Chuck has a metronome and he hollers the count out is not using a click track! U2 uses a click and probably a lot of other artists.
What's up with Clifford's "harmonica" on Miss You? What the hell.
Re: Steve Jordan´s Snare Hit
Posted by:
StonedRambler
()
Date: May 10, 2024 00:09
Quote
GasLightStreetQuote
TestifyUsing the click track is not an offense!Quote
GasLightStreetQuote
Testify
RS stadium concerts have a lot of technology, how fast SMU has to be played, Steve doesn't decide, but it's a very specific choice of the band, which is made beforehand and they usually play on a click track.
The Rolling Stones don't use click tracks for live shows. Why you would think such a thing is beyond me.
Ridiculous.
I looked and listened better, it actually seems like they don't use it, but there is the initial count of Chuck L. who uses a metronome, I also noticed that they use IEM.
However, if the song is started on the count of Chuck using a metronome, I don't understand how Steve can decide the tempo. There is only the unknown for those songs that Keith starts, but even here... what does Steve have to do with it?
Whether Chuck has a metronome and he hollers the count out is not using a click track! U2 uses a click and probably a lot of other artists.
What's up with Clifford's "harmonica" on Miss You? What the hell.
It's simple. There are songs that Keith starts (SMU, JJF...), songs that Steve starts (GOOMC, Angry...) and songs that Chuck starts or counts in (HTW, Miss You...). Whoever starts it sets the tempo.
Re: Steve Jordan´s Snare Hit
Posted by:
Testify
()
Date: May 10, 2024 00:13
...and what did I write? However Chuck's counting serves to set the pace, once again, what does Steve have to do with all this?Quote
GasLightStreetQuote
TestifyUsing the click track is not an offense!Quote
GasLightStreetQuote
Testify
RS stadium concerts have a lot of technology, how fast SMU has to be played, Steve doesn't decide, but it's a very specific choice of the band, which is made beforehand and they usually play on a click track.
The Rolling Stones don't use click tracks for live shows. Why you would think such a thing is beyond me.
Ridiculous.
I looked and listened better, it actually seems like they don't use it, but there is the initial count of Chuck L. who uses a metronome, I also noticed that they use IEM.
However, if the song is started on the count of Chuck using a metronome, I don't understand how Steve can decide the tempo. There is only the unknown for those songs that Keith starts, but even here... what does Steve have to do with it?
Whether Chuck has a metronome and he hollers the count out is not using a click track! U2 uses a click and probably a lot of other artists.
What's up with Clifford's "harmonica" on Miss You? What the hell.
It's clear that if a song is played slower it's not Steve's fault, but it's because the band decided that way.
Re: Steve Jordan´s Snare Hit
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: May 10, 2024 00:22
Quote
Testify
...and what did I write? However Chuck's counting serves to set the pace, once again, what does Steve have to do with all this?
It's clear that if a song is played slower it's not Steve's fault, but it's because the band decided that way.
I don't recall anyone ever saying Jordan has anything to do with it. Not sure why you keep going with that.
So I agree.
Was it because of Jordan tightening the sound up? Maybe that's what it's about.
Re: Steve Jordan´s Snare Hit
Posted by:
MadMax
()
Date: May 15, 2024 16:40
Another interesting aspect talking SMU is that it is much faster in the US autumn of 2005 than it is summer 2007 in Europe (only regarding SMU as an opening number).
My 2 cents why:
1. Keith plays the wonderful Tele Custom from 1975 (the one bought in San Antonio before the 2nd show of the TOTA tour??)
Sacreliege converting it to open-G as with his 1957 Les Paul Junior but it is what it is.
2. Someone (not speculating who in the band but speculating outside the band) thought the Licks tour guitar sound was too "clean" and wanted change. This distorted 2guitar-attack
speed up the whole shebang. Dave Natale was new, big influence on our boys??
3. Then in 06-07 SMU's BPM slowed down again while Keith opted to play it on one of the M Butterscotch's (Micawber or Malcolm).
Conclusion: SMU should be done slow as on Tattoo You.
Or waddya reckon my fellow IORRians?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-05-15 16:41 by MadMax.
My 2 cents why:
1. Keith plays the wonderful Tele Custom from 1975 (the one bought in San Antonio before the 2nd show of the TOTA tour??)
Sacreliege converting it to open-G as with his 1957 Les Paul Junior but it is what it is.
2. Someone (not speculating who in the band but speculating outside the band) thought the Licks tour guitar sound was too "clean" and wanted change. This distorted 2guitar-attack
speed up the whole shebang. Dave Natale was new, big influence on our boys??
3. Then in 06-07 SMU's BPM slowed down again while Keith opted to play it on one of the M Butterscotch's (Micawber or Malcolm).
Conclusion: SMU should be done slow as on Tattoo You.
Or waddya reckon my fellow IORRians?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-05-15 16:41 by MadMax.
Re: Steve Jordan´s Snare Hit
Posted by:
Spud
()
Date: May 16, 2024 10:17
Quote
MadMax
...
Conclusion: SMU should be done slow as on Tattoo You.
Or waddya reckon my fellow IORRians?
Maybe...
...played too fast it still rocks, but the "swagger" in the groove gets kind of lost.
Re: Steve Jordan´s Snare Hit
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: June 1, 2024 08:55
Seeing that... damn. What an outstanding performance. Overall. But Keith... that may be when he truly peaked as an artist/performer/singer. Throat cutting riffage.
Things change and he hasn't had that energy since. Or sound or confidence. Sure, the Stones did VOODOO the next year, then BRIDGES and LICKS, and he was great, but the Keith town obliterating boulder that Keith and the Xpensive Winos had become ceased.
Which is really criminal.
Doesn't matter now. That video says a lot - and that's perfectly enough.
Re: Steve Jordan´s Snare Hit
Posted by:
SKILLS
()
Date: June 1, 2024 10:24
I thought that Ian Matthews from Kasabian could have been a good choice, he's got a pedigree that is similar to Charlies & creates a big sound, i'd like to hear him drive SMU
Re: Steve Jordan´s Snare Hit
Posted by:
steffialicia
()
Date: June 1, 2024 14:07
Let's be real. The guy is a fabulous and very experienced drummer. His only flaw is that he is not Charlie. I miss Charlie a lot but Steve was Charlie's choice.
Re: Steve Jordan´s Snare Hit
Posted by:
drwatts
()
Date: June 1, 2024 15:36
Quote
steffialicia
Let's be real. The guy is a fabulous and very experienced drummer. His only flaw is that he is not Charlie. I miss Charlie a lot but Steve was Charlie's choice.
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