Thoughts on this? Good Album opener? Overated?

A Miss but had potential What do you think?

The MEz Don't really care for it too much. Don't dislike it just OK so so.

When was this last played? Suprised I hear on radio occassionally

THE MEZ needs your feedback, rating, thoughts. I say 5.75 /10 or C Average Man

i actually like it! it dosn´t rank among their absolute top-songs, but makes part of their good ones! 7/10 i say!

Hasnt been played since 1973

A relatively uninspiring album opener but it was excellent in concert

It's an average song, and an average Album opener.
However, it's a mystery as to why it hasn't been played since the Euro '73 Tour !! Afterall, you'd think the band rated it back in 1973 for it to be the first song on GHS.

Ofcourse it did excellent during the European tour '73. It had their best guitar player on lead. Mick Taylor. Sorry to say but it wouldn't sound these days, nobody except Mick Taylor himself can play this kind of solos.

can somebody post the live version!

love the lyrics

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they missed the mark on this track..like silver train both songs could have been great if jagger let jimmy miller re-record it..the sound is way too flat...

Agree 100% with hot stuff; they just missed it by a narrow margin. The average guitar riff is there. Nothing world shaking but a straight-up riff to crank a rocker out. Lyrics and title and hook are there. The beat, the solo, the slide...but the recordings are flat, uninspired and a bit lame, tame.
Mr D should have been in your face, dripping with Cajun Hot Sauce; That Keith riff could've been slinking round your crotch. Much like "Fingerprint File" did later.
Silver Train needed the Exile treatment. The basic track need to be redone. There was absolutely NO atmosphere. It has the tinkling piano, the slide, the harp...the whole "train" bit..

sad..because train had the making of a great song...if it was done like star star
or brown sugar...just open it up and let it rock... almost like how it sounded live..i loved that track but only if? wow could have been a real war horse..

i think Johnny Winter showed the Stones how to do this song (Silver Train, that is)....

right on t&a.....i forgot about that....how true.

It really starts to gain momentum around the "standing on a corner, in new york, city" part. I like the song and was surprised at how good it is after hearing such bad things about GHS in general, which I've found to be mostly untrue -- I like that album a lot.

Do you guys really think it's the production that turns people off from this song? I wish the early reviewers had such a mature, analytic perspective -- they made it sound as if the song itself was just crap, didn't seem to consider whether it was the recording.

cc

Carla Olson treathed us also with a very nice live version of Silver Train.
She had Mick Taylor on lead guitar. It appeared on the same album as Sway. They also did Rocks Off that night which ,unfortunately didn't made it to the record.

i think its a great album..but it had the making of being one of the stones all time best.. and in my mind the production of this album was not very good..
jimmy miller said all the time that he wanted a few of the tracks redone..but jagger was too busy..in my mind it could have been a lot better than exile if it was recorded more like iorr....or better yet if chris kimsey did it...like some girls...

euro'73 Wrote:
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> Ofcourse it did excellent during the European tour
> '73. It had their best guitar player on lead. Mick
> Taylor. Sorry to say but it wouldn't sound these
> days, nobody except Mick Taylor himself can play
> this kind of solos.


Overall, I think the song works well. For me though, the studio riff is taken too slow. Richards obviously liked the groove and got off on that accented fourth note and how the fifth note plays off it, but the tempo makes the song plod when it should slither--even with Charlie pushing it along. The real problem with the riff? It reminds me too much of the riff from Seals & Crofts' Summer Breeze from the year before. Also, the studio solo, while fun to listen to, is a little too "All Right Now"-ish, but live Taylor did it great. I do wish Taylor would have played the riff more when they did it live. He does wonderful things to the Pretty Woman riff live, and it would have been great to hear him play off Richards' riff more.

Good thread, all good points. Would love to hear Silver Train on this tour more than any other song they're playing every night. I'm thinking it could be like a blistering version of All Down the Line.

For me, Dancing with Mr. D. has gotten better with age, but I agree with you guys, they missed something there. Were they trying to capitalize on the whole Sympathy for the Devil thing again?

Great song botched by bad lyrics.

You can tell the music is a Keith Richards creation by the steady guitar riff. The cartoony Halloween lyrics ("Down in the graveyard where we have our tryst/The air smells sweet, the air smells sick") ruin what could have been a great song.

I think the same is true of "Silvertrain." It's a very subtle, well-put-together blues song, but the lyrics sink it down.

Jagger was not writing good lyrics during the "Goat's Head Soup" recordings. Smoking' too much weed, I bet.

Mr. D = Summer Breeze, eh? Wow. Now, that's a stretch.

"The air smell sweet, the air smell thick", I never knew what it actually meant, untill I smelled pot. Its sweet and thick.

T&A Wrote:
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> Mr. D = Summer Breeze, eh? Wow. Now, that's a
> stretch.


As I was counting the notes to the riff, some "LA 70s" riff came in to my head and as I followed it through I came to the Summer Breeze lyrics. Since the melody is completely different, I wondered how DWMD brought me to Summer Breeze. Listen to the synth riff in that song (obviously, sealsandcrofts.com), not the melody of the lyrics. It's similar though not the same. It came out just one year earlier than DWMD, and Richards might have just funked it up a bit. So, no, MrD does not equal Summer Breeze and, no, the riffs are not the same, but I did not make those claims.

don,t you like taylor's guitar under the riff put on the headsets

i understand smokey. i know the SB riff well - i was DJ in the 70's and played that one to death on the AOR station I worked at. but, i hear nothing similar other than both have elongated riffs....

Mr. D seems to drag and might have been better if it were a little faster. Mediocre to me.

"Dancing with Mr. D" I love it. Can't get enough of it actually.

I'll try this once:

-both riffs have two parts, five notes in the first part, five notes in the second part
-the first part climbs and descends, the second part climbs (and for SB then descends)

Obviously, they have a different "feel", they are in different though related keys, there are double stops in one and single notes in the other, one is twee the other funky, etc.







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Smokey, have you been in the herb stash again? LOL

I agree that it's tempo is plodding, as is the case with Silver Train. I know Mick J felt that Exile was overly fast, this album, although brilliant overall, is maybe an overreaction. Also KR obviously was not in a rocking frame of mind. It's a lack of energy more than anything.

true..but silver train could and should have rocked...needed much more energy.
another song i loved that was killed by being poorly recorded was, luxury, on iorr....like mr d. & silver train, luxury had the makings of a great all-time stones track.....