Tell Me :
Talk
You know "stupid comments" brilliantly well.
So Keith Richards isn't up to snuff for the Stones.
OK.
That's really strange.
That's way out there. Like saying Keith came up with the riff for Brown Sugar out there.
However, you're basically saying that you're not a fan of, at all - and don't listen to or even consider and or acknowledge these to be Rolling Stones albums - BLACK AND BLUE through HACKNEY DIAMONDS.
I was gonna stop with UNDERCOVER, although Ronnie's playing on DIRTY WORK and STEEL WHEELS is excellent but, those albums aren't exactly, well, SW is ok, but you made it clear - no Ronnie Wood Stones albums are worthy ie all Ronnie Wood Stones albums are mediocre - same thing.
So the Stones stopped for you in 1974.
Or was it in 1975 with MADE IN THE SHADE?
Whichever album, that's cool for you, keefriffhards, named after a Rolling Stone that is second or third rate - or whatever level you'd like to claim.
If being cool is missing out on great songs and performances. And denying continued greatness (not always but in general - even EXILE has stinkers on it).
That's far out, dude.
What are you talking about, Taylor was the best possible guitarist to bring out the best in Keith, meaning there was no better guitarist than Taylor for Keith/Stones.
The Stones remained a great band with great albums in spite of Ronnie not because of Ronnie.
In my opinion the Stones reached their greatest heights with Taylor on lead and Keith on rhythm, it's regarded by many as the best combination in Rock history.
What are you banging on about saying Keith isn't up to snuff, putting words in my mouth, you know I'm not saying that so why be so provocative.
I like Ronnie as a person, he is terrific and a breath of fresh air but he ain't no genius and he was lackluster through much of the 90's live when the Stones did those huge tours that i attended.
Albums like Black And Blue, Undercover, Dirty Work, Steel Wheels were good albums with some jems but in no way comparable to the period with Taylor, but it's just my opinion.
Of course Keith is the greatest Stones guitarist, do i have to spell it out, he is the Stones.
i think the issue is your use of the word "mediocrity" to describe ronnie's contributions to the band
i think you could have maybe put that a little more diplomatically on a thread that is literally called "ronnie wood is terrific"
on a related note and not to be confontational what's your opinion of ronnie's playing on el mocambo
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-06-26 10:52 by ProfessorWolf.
At least he stayed.
well he was a severe drug addict and alcoholic for decades and that got worse in the 80's
but he's definitely had many great moment in the last 40 years with and without the stones
have you heard his playing on slide on this live from 1993?
this is a personal favorite of mine
and he's no taylor here but his playing on cyhmk at the fonda show in 2015 is great
Keith is the Stones…you are actually quite funny.
it definitely resembles the voice of the rolling stones
I agree completely.
I also like how he plays... I really like his slide on SM at Fonda, I love his unpredictability... the important thing is to have fun is his motto, let's rock and roll...
That's a tricky one Rockman.
Oh.
I took "There are no better guitarists than Taylor for the Stones" literally.
It was a bit tongue in cheek - because you know I know that you're a big Keith fan.
You're right, though. Your opinion lines up with their critical acclaim (even the Stones acknowledge it, basically, by playing more from LIB-EOMS than any other albums over the years).
As much as I love the 1978-1983 era, a whole 5 months prior to Start Me Up and then two weeks later TATTOO YOU, I had only heard SUCKING IN THE SEVENTIES (a girlfriend got it for me) outside of the Jones/Jones-less/Taylor Stones (up through GYYYO and HOT ROCKS - for some reason my dad didn't get STICKY FINGERS or EXILE ON MAIN STREET).
What's missing is 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1976, 1978 and 1980 as a whole. I didn't know anything about what was on SITS other than Beast Of Burden and Shattered, which were on the radio on the bus a lot. So I was unknowingly listening to 1974, 1976 and 1978 Stones. I was 10 years old and raised on LET IT BLEED and GYYYO (among a few Beatles albums etc) and bought my first Stones album - TATTOO YOU (I mowed lawns that summer so I had a little money).
It wasn't until the Virgin reissues that I truly got into the Mick Taylor years - I had caught up to speed in 1983 and started buying anything so by the time STEEL WHEELS came out I had their entire discography on vinyl (and a few on CD) but life was flying by and I didn't exactly pay attention, I just knew a lot of it sounded awesome. I knew the guitar solos in SFTD on GYYYO were insane, that Midnight Rambler was great to listen to (and SFTD) before playing a hockey game, and I thought Time Waits For No One was magnificent - but that's all I knew.
I'd listen to MORE HOT ROCKS on headphones and when 2000 Light Years came on I was convinced, based on the photos in that comp, that that was the sound of being stoned.
No matter what, it's about now, and Mick had this to say about Ronnie:
Mick Jagger (1975): Choosing Ronnie
They can both play solo. I mean, Keith used to be a lead guitarist of the Rolling Stones, remember? Maybe Keith's gonna have to do more solos. Now he's gotten kind of into this rhytm guitar thing.
I wanted someone that was easy to get on with, you know, that wasn,t too difficult and that was a good player and was used to playing onstage. It's quite a lot to ask of someone to come and do a big American tour with a band like the Stones, you know? I mean, not that I think the Stones are any really big deal, but it tends to be a bit of a paralyzing experience for people. You know what I mean? And I wanted someone that wasn't going to be phased out.
He can sing... a little. He'll probably say a lot about that! He can sing. He's starting to get it together... Onstage he's got a lot of style. And it's gotta be fun on the road. That's what it's all about, isn't it?
[timeisonourside.com]
Consider that Mick Taylor just up and quit. That's not Ronnie's fault. Would the Stones still have done BLACK AND BLUE as we know it with Taylor?
No.
Neither SOME GIRLS. You can basically count on the fact that a majority of SOME GIRLS wouldn't exist if Taylor was still in the Stones in 1977.
Did you know there's pedal steel on Shattered? Ronnie really laid it out from 1977-1983.
Yes I know. There's also one on "Torn and Frayed". Slightly different approach. Al Perkins if memory serves.
Do you know who plays the steel drums on Loving Cup?
I've never been able to find out.
If it's filed under percussion it could be Jimmy Miller.
Taylor entered the Stones when the Glimmer Twins were at their creative peak, laying the foundations for the next three albums to come. Any hotshot guitarist would have done a group job at the time, with the greatest rock songs of all time being written, and being played with the best ever rhythm section.
Was Taylor the best fit? Live, probably yes. But in the studio? I personally don't think so -he is absent for much of Exile, and couldn't save GHS and IORR. He was too much of a live lead player to be of really great use in the studio.
Wood gave the Stones 8 more years of renewed energy, their biggest selling albums, and some of their biggest hits and tours up until 1985, when it all ended.
Mathijs
Talk about your favorite band.
For information about how to use this forum please check out forum help and policies.
Re: Ronnie Wood is terrific
Posted by:
powerage78
()
Date: June 26, 2024 07:09
Ronnie's great merit is that he never overshadows Keith, and that's perfect for our pirate.
In that sense, he doesn't miss Taylor.
In that sense, he doesn't miss Taylor.
Re: Ronnie Wood is terrific
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: June 26, 2024 07:52
Quote
harlem shuffle
Still stupid comments about Wood save the Stones,really?
You know "stupid comments" brilliantly well.
Re: Ronnie Wood is terrific
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: June 26, 2024 08:06
Quote
keefriffhards
There are no better guitarists than Taylor for the Stones, not just his playing, the songs he was involved in are the best Stones tracks as far as I'm concerned. Ronnie brought mediocrity to the greatest rock band in the world, his creative input wasn't as inspiring to the band as Taylor's
So Keith Richards isn't up to snuff for the Stones.
OK.
That's really strange.
That's way out there. Like saying Keith came up with the riff for Brown Sugar out there.
However, you're basically saying that you're not a fan of, at all - and don't listen to or even consider and or acknowledge these to be Rolling Stones albums - BLACK AND BLUE through HACKNEY DIAMONDS.
I was gonna stop with UNDERCOVER, although Ronnie's playing on DIRTY WORK and STEEL WHEELS is excellent but, those albums aren't exactly, well, SW is ok, but you made it clear - no Ronnie Wood Stones albums are worthy ie all Ronnie Wood Stones albums are mediocre - same thing.
So the Stones stopped for you in 1974.
Or was it in 1975 with MADE IN THE SHADE?
Whichever album, that's cool for you, keefriffhards, named after a Rolling Stone that is second or third rate - or whatever level you'd like to claim.
If being cool is missing out on great songs and performances. And denying continued greatness (not always but in general - even EXILE has stinkers on it).
That's far out, dude.
Re: Ronnie Wood is terrific
Posted by:
keefriffhards
()
Date: June 26, 2024 09:29
Quote
GasLightStreetQuote
keefriffhards
There are no better guitarists than Taylor for the Stones, not just his playing, the songs he was involved in are the best Stones tracks as far as I'm concerned. Ronnie brought mediocrity to the greatest rock band in the world, his creative input wasn't as inspiring to the band as Taylor's
So Keith Richards isn't up to snuff for the Stones.
OK.
That's really strange.
That's way out there. Like saying Keith came up with the riff for Brown Sugar out there.
However, you're basically saying that you're not a fan of, at all - and don't listen to or even consider and or acknowledge these to be Rolling Stones albums - BLACK AND BLUE through HACKNEY DIAMONDS.
I was gonna stop with UNDERCOVER, although Ronnie's playing on DIRTY WORK and STEEL WHEELS is excellent but, those albums aren't exactly, well, SW is ok, but you made it clear - no Ronnie Wood Stones albums are worthy ie all Ronnie Wood Stones albums are mediocre - same thing.
So the Stones stopped for you in 1974.
Or was it in 1975 with MADE IN THE SHADE?
Whichever album, that's cool for you, keefriffhards, named after a Rolling Stone that is second or third rate - or whatever level you'd like to claim.
If being cool is missing out on great songs and performances. And denying continued greatness (not always but in general - even EXILE has stinkers on it).
That's far out, dude.
What are you talking about, Taylor was the best possible guitarist to bring out the best in Keith, meaning there was no better guitarist than Taylor for Keith/Stones.
The Stones remained a great band with great albums in spite of Ronnie not because of Ronnie.
In my opinion the Stones reached their greatest heights with Taylor on lead and Keith on rhythm, it's regarded by many as the best combination in Rock history.
What are you banging on about saying Keith isn't up to snuff, putting words in my mouth, you know I'm not saying that so why be so provocative.
I like Ronnie as a person, he is terrific and a breath of fresh air but he ain't no genius and he was lackluster through much of the 90's live when the Stones did those huge tours that i attended.
Albums like Black And Blue, Undercover, Dirty Work, Steel Wheels were good albums with some jems but in no way comparable to the period with Taylor, but it's just my opinion.
Of course Keith is the greatest Stones guitarist, do i have to spell it out, he is the Stones.
Re: Ronnie Wood is terrific
Posted by:
ProfessorWolf
()
Date: June 26, 2024 10:49
Quote
keefriffhardsQuote
GasLightStreetQuote
keefriffhards
There are no better guitarists than Taylor for the Stones, not just his playing, the songs he was involved in are the best Stones tracks as far as I'm concerned. Ronnie brought mediocrity to the greatest rock band in the world, his creative input wasn't as inspiring to the band as Taylor's
So Keith Richards isn't up to snuff for the Stones.
OK.
That's really strange.
That's way out there. Like saying Keith came up with the riff for Brown Sugar out there.
However, you're basically saying that you're not a fan of, at all - and don't listen to or even consider and or acknowledge these to be Rolling Stones albums - BLACK AND BLUE through HACKNEY DIAMONDS.
I was gonna stop with UNDERCOVER, although Ronnie's playing on DIRTY WORK and STEEL WHEELS is excellent but, those albums aren't exactly, well, SW is ok, but you made it clear - no Ronnie Wood Stones albums are worthy ie all Ronnie Wood Stones albums are mediocre - same thing.
So the Stones stopped for you in 1974.
Or was it in 1975 with MADE IN THE SHADE?
Whichever album, that's cool for you, keefriffhards, named after a Rolling Stone that is second or third rate - or whatever level you'd like to claim.
If being cool is missing out on great songs and performances. And denying continued greatness (not always but in general - even EXILE has stinkers on it).
That's far out, dude.
What are you talking about, Taylor was the best possible guitarist to bring out the best in Keith, meaning there was no better guitarist than Taylor for Keith/Stones.
The Stones remained a great band with great albums in spite of Ronnie not because of Ronnie.
In my opinion the Stones reached their greatest heights with Taylor on lead and Keith on rhythm, it's regarded by many as the best combination in Rock history.
What are you banging on about saying Keith isn't up to snuff, putting words in my mouth, you know I'm not saying that so why be so provocative.
I like Ronnie as a person, he is terrific and a breath of fresh air but he ain't no genius and he was lackluster through much of the 90's live when the Stones did those huge tours that i attended.
Albums like Black And Blue, Undercover, Dirty Work, Steel Wheels were good albums with some jems but in no way comparable to the period with Taylor, but it's just my opinion.
Of course Keith is the greatest Stones guitarist, do i have to spell it out, he is the Stones.
i think the issue is your use of the word "mediocrity" to describe ronnie's contributions to the band
i think you could have maybe put that a little more diplomatically on a thread that is literally called "ronnie wood is terrific"
on a related note and not to be confontational what's your opinion of ronnie's playing on el mocambo
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-06-26 10:52 by ProfessorWolf.
Re: Ronnie Wood is terrific
Posted by:
keefriffhards
()
Date: June 26, 2024 12:32
Yes sorry ProfessorWolf that was the wrong word to use, i do that, i have ADHD and write too impulsively without thinking sometimes, I've been accused of not having enough empathy at times too, my bad.
Ronnie was great at El Mocambo and Still Life, beggars the question what happened to him, like he couldn't give a damn for a couple decades, took no pride in his playing, became a bit lame in my opinion.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-06-26 12:38 by keefriffhards.
Ronnie was great at El Mocambo and Still Life, beggars the question what happened to him, like he couldn't give a damn for a couple decades, took no pride in his playing, became a bit lame in my opinion.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-06-26 12:38 by keefriffhards.
Re: Ronnie Wood is terrific
Posted by:
Koen
()
Date: June 26, 2024 12:59
Quote
keefriffhards
Ronnie was great at El Mocambo and Still Life, beggars the question what happened to him, like he couldn't give a damn for a couple decades, took no pride in his playing, became a bit lame in my opinion.
At least he stayed.
Re: Ronnie Wood is terrific
Posted by:
ProfessorWolf
()
Date: June 26, 2024 13:59
Quote
keefriffhards
Yes sorry ProfessorWolf that was the wrong word to use, i do that, i have ADHD and write too impulsively without thinking sometimes, I've been accused of not having enough empathy at times too, my bad.
Ronnie was great at El Mocambo and Still Life, beggars the question what happened to him, like he couldn't give a damn for a couple decades, took no pride in his playing, became a bit lame in my opinion.
well he was a severe drug addict and alcoholic for decades and that got worse in the 80's
but he's definitely had many great moment in the last 40 years with and without the stones
have you heard his playing on slide on this live from 1993?
this is a personal favorite of mine
and he's no taylor here but his playing on cyhmk at the fonda show in 2015 is great
Re: Ronnie Wood is terrific
Posted by:
keefriffhards
()
Date: June 26, 2024 14:15
Im not a big fan of slide guitar, what can i say, but that sounds great .
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-06-26 14:17 by keefriffhards.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-06-26 14:17 by keefriffhards.
Re: Ronnie Wood is terrific
Posted by:
bobo
()
Date: June 26, 2024 14:20
Quote
keefriffhardsQuote
GasLightStreetQuote
keefriffhards
There are no better guitarists than Taylor for the Stones, not just his playing, the songs he was involved in are the best Stones tracks as far as I'm concerned. Ronnie brought mediocrity to the greatest rock band in the world, his creative input wasn't as inspiring to the band as Taylor's
So Keith Richards isn't up to snuff for the Stones.
OK.
That's really strange.
That's way out there. Like saying Keith came up with the riff for Brown Sugar out there.
However, you're basically saying that you're not a fan of, at all - and don't listen to or even consider and or acknowledge these to be Rolling Stones albums - BLACK AND BLUE through HACKNEY DIAMONDS.
I was gonna stop with UNDERCOVER, although Ronnie's playing on DIRTY WORK and STEEL WHEELS is excellent but, those albums aren't exactly, well, SW is ok, but you made it clear - no Ronnie Wood Stones albums are worthy ie all Ronnie Wood Stones albums are mediocre - same thing.
So the Stones stopped for you in 1974.
Or was it in 1975 with MADE IN THE SHADE?
Whichever album, that's cool for you, keefriffhards, named after a Rolling Stone that is second or third rate - or whatever level you'd like to claim.
If being cool is missing out on great songs and performances. And denying continued greatness (not always but in general - even EXILE has stinkers on it).
That's far out, dude.
What are you talking about, Taylor was the best possible guitarist to bring out the best in Keith, meaning there was no better guitarist than Taylor for Keith/Stones.
The Stones remained a great band with great albums in spite of Ronnie not because of Ronnie.
In my opinion the Stones reached their greatest heights with Taylor on lead and Keith on rhythm, it's regarded by many as the best combination in Rock history.
What are you banging on about saying Keith isn't up to snuff, putting words in my mouth, you know I'm not saying that so why be so provocative.
I like Ronnie as a person, he is terrific and a breath of fresh air but he ain't no genius and he was lackluster through much of the 90's live when the Stones did those huge tours that i attended.
Albums like Black And Blue, Undercover, Dirty Work, Steel Wheels were good albums with some jems but in no way comparable to the period with Taylor, but it's just my opinion.
Of course Keith is the greatest Stones guitarist, do i have to spell it out, he is the Stones.
Keith is the Stones…you are actually quite funny.
Re: Ronnie Wood is terrific
Posted by:
keefriffhards
()
Date: June 26, 2024 14:40
Would you say Mick solo is the essence of the Stones sound.
Re: Ronnie Wood is terrific
Posted by:
ProfessorWolf
()
Date: June 26, 2024 15:13
Quote
keefriffhards
Would you say Mick solo is the essence of the Stones sound.
it definitely resembles the voice of the rolling stones
Re: Ronnie Wood is terrific
Posted by:
bv
()
Date: June 26, 2024 15:16
Mick Taylor quit the Stones some FIFTY - 50 - years ago. Please do not force this thead into another Taylor vs Ronnie Wood thread. Fact is Ronnie is doing a brilliant job on stage live with the Stones. Sure there are thousands of session musicians who can play any guitar solo but like Ronnie says «you got to live with them» and also he is so muck rock’n’roll and important to the Stones I can not see them live without Ronnie.
Bjornulf
Bjornulf
Re: Ronnie Wood is terrific
Posted by:
Testify
()
Date: June 26, 2024 20:59
Isn't it possible that we can't talk about Ronnie without bringing up Taylor every time? Why do we have to discuss this every time and not Ronnie? What a drag!
Aren't you tired? And then why not Brian?
For many, the Stones without Brian were no longer the Stones regardless of Taylor or Ronnie.
With Taylor's entry, the Stones became a "normal" guitar band like many in those years. Taylor is very good but he distorted the sound of the band, his guitar sounded the same on every song (with some exceptions), it didn't happen with Brian and it doesn't happen with Wood.
Wood is more like Brian than Taylor.
But let's go further....
Aren't you tired? And then why not Brian?
For many, the Stones without Brian were no longer the Stones regardless of Taylor or Ronnie.
With Taylor's entry, the Stones became a "normal" guitar band like many in those years. Taylor is very good but he distorted the sound of the band, his guitar sounded the same on every song (with some exceptions), it didn't happen with Brian and it doesn't happen with Wood.
Wood is more like Brian than Taylor.
But let's go further....
Re: Ronnie Wood is terrific
Posted by:
micha063
()
Date: June 26, 2024 21:50
Quote
Testify
Isn't it possible that we can't talk about Ronnie without bringing up Taylor every time? Why do we have to discuss this every time and not Ronnie? What a drag!
Aren't you tired? And then why not Brian?
For many, the Stones without Brian were no longer the Stones regardless of Taylor or Ronnie.
With Taylor's entry, the Stones became a "normal" guitar band like many in those years. Taylor is very good but he distorted the sound of the band, his guitar sounded the same on every song (with some exceptions), it didn't happen with Brian and it doesn't happen with Wood.
Wood is more like Brian than Taylor.
But let's go further....
I agree completely.
Re: Ronnie Wood is terrific
Posted by:
FancyBluesMan
()
Date: June 26, 2024 22:24
I’ve been a Ronnie Wood fan for decades and feel he was the perfect fit for the band when Mick Taylor up and left. Like others, I’ve grown tired of the narrative whenever one or the other’s name is mentioned.
I thought Ronnie’s playing on the 1975 and 1978 tours was quite inspiring; Mick and Keith gave him a lot of leeway and he made the most of it. Yes, Ronnie did run into substance-abuse issues after that and his reliability and ‘chops’ definitely took a hit as a result. Since then, it’s seemed to me that The Glimmer Twins reeled him in and put him on a leash, so to speak…and this also appeared to spill over into the recording studio…with the possible exception of ‘Blue & Lonesome’ and ‘Hackney Diamonds’.
At this point, with Keith being the one who needs some added ‘support’ on stage, Ronnie has done a nice job of providing it. While they aren’t even within arm’s reach of who they once were, the band continues to amaze me with what they’re doing some 60+ years on. I believe that Ronnie’s longevity has played a part.
I thought Ronnie’s playing on the 1975 and 1978 tours was quite inspiring; Mick and Keith gave him a lot of leeway and he made the most of it. Yes, Ronnie did run into substance-abuse issues after that and his reliability and ‘chops’ definitely took a hit as a result. Since then, it’s seemed to me that The Glimmer Twins reeled him in and put him on a leash, so to speak…and this also appeared to spill over into the recording studio…with the possible exception of ‘Blue & Lonesome’ and ‘Hackney Diamonds’.
At this point, with Keith being the one who needs some added ‘support’ on stage, Ronnie has done a nice job of providing it. While they aren’t even within arm’s reach of who they once were, the band continues to amaze me with what they’re doing some 60+ years on. I believe that Ronnie’s longevity has played a part.
Re: Ronnie Wood is terrific
Posted by:
Taylor1
()
Date: June 26, 2024 23:32
Quote
micha063Taylor was brought up in this post because if you take the time to read it, the original poster and others like you said Wood was perfect and Taylor was not.You just brought Taylor up again and ripped him for distorting the sound of the band.Everyone is entitled to their opinion , but 99 percent of people don’t think he distorted the sound .They think he contributed to3 of their 4 best albums.They think the Stones as a live band with Taylor reached a peak they never topped,( maybe matched),in1972-1973.Try listening to the 1972 live shows and Brussels. Let us celebrate Wood without ripping Taylor.I think he was great on the1975,and1989-1990 show sQuote
Testify
Isn't it possible that we can't talk about Ronnie without bringing up Taylor every time? Why do we have to discuss this every time and not Ronnie? What a drag!
Aren't you tired? And then why not Brian?
For many, the Stones without Brian were no longer the Stones regardless of Taylor or Ronnie.
With Taylor's entry, the Stones became a "normal" guitar band like many in those years. Taylor is very good but he distorted the sound of the band, his guitar sounded the same on every song (with some exceptions), it didn't happen with Brian and it doesn't happen with Wood.
Wood is more like Brian than Taylor.
But let's go further...
I agree completely.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2024-06-26 23:52 by Taylor1.
Re: Ronnie Wood is terrific
Posted by:
Testify
()
Date: June 26, 2024 23:52
Quote
Taylor1Quote
micha063Taylor was brought up in this post because if you take the time to read it, the original poster and others like you said Wood was perfect and Taylor was not.You just brought Taylor up again and ripped him for distorting the sound of the band.Everyone is entitled to their opinion , but 99 percent of people don’t think he distorted the sound .They think he contributed to3 of their 4 best albums.They think the Stones as a live band with Taylor reached a peak they never topped,( maybe matched),in1972-1973.Try listening to the 1972 live shows and BrusselsQuote
Testify
Isn't it possible that we can't talk about Ronnie without bringing up Taylor every time? Why do we have to discuss this every time and not Ronnie? What a drag!
Aren't you tired? And then why not Brian?
For many, the Stones without Brian were no longer the Stones regardless of Taylor or Ronnie.
With Taylor's entry, the Stones became a "normal" guitar band like many in those years. Taylor is very good but he distorted the sound of the band, his guitar sounded the same on every song (with some exceptions), it didn't happen with Brian and it doesn't happen with Wood.
Wood is more like Brian than Taylor.
But let's go further...
I agree completely.
So do you think this would have diminished the others? It really doesn't make any sense! First of all, being perfect for a band doesn't mean being better at the guitar, but it's just a personal evaluation on the choice of that period to hire Wood, rather than others who almost certainly wouldn't have lasted long.
Yes, for many reasons it was a perfect choice and it's not me who says it but the history of the Stones.
Saying that Wood is perfect for the Stones doesn't take anything away from the skill of Taylor and Brian and what they did in their respective periods, but if they're no longer there it's because they weren't perfect for the Stones, it seems clear to me!
Re: Ronnie Wood is terrific
Posted by:
TheflyingDutchman
()
Date: June 27, 2024 00:00
Ron Wood is one of the musicians proving that life is unbearable without humour and enthousiasme. His musical skills are a matter of taste.
Re: Ronnie Wood is terrific
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: June 27, 2024 00:10
Both of the Glimmer Twins are pretty funny toooooooo ....
ROCKMAN
ROCKMAN
Re: Ronnie Wood is terrific
Posted by:
Testify
()
Date: June 27, 2024 00:13
It's his essence... don't take yourself too seriously, it's no coincidence that history has it that he was the author together with Jagger of IORR, which is also the name of this site.Quote
TheflyingDutchman
Ron Wood is one of the few musicians proving that life is unbearable without humour. His musical skills are a matter of taste.
I also like how he plays... I really like his slide on SM at Fonda, I love his unpredictability... the important thing is to have fun is his motto, let's rock and roll...
Re: Ronnie Wood is terrific
Posted by:
Taylor1
()
Date: June 27, 2024 00:14
Quote
TestifyWood was no more perfect than Taylor.Taylor unlike Wood didn’t realize that he was a great guitar player and that was it.Had he not quit he wasn’t going to be fired like Brian was.All the band members including Mick and Keith still speak glowingly about Taylor.Keith has often sa he didn’t want him to go.Bill said no band was better than the Stones in the Taylor era.But I guess Bill wasn’t perfect either because he quit 30 years ago.Darryl might be close to perfect because he has been in the band longer than Bill, like31years?Quote
Taylor1Quote
micha063Taylor was brought up in this post because if you take the time to read it, the original poster and others like you said Wood was perfect and Taylor was not.You just brought Taylor up again and ripped him for distorting the sound of the band.Everyone is entitled to their opinion , but 99 percent of people don’t think he distorted the sound .They think he contributed to3 of their 4 best albums.They think the Stones as a live band with Taylor reached a peak they never topped,( maybe matched),in1972-1973.Try listening to the 1972 live shows and BrusselsQuote
Testify
Isn't it possible that we can't talk about Ronnie without bringing up Taylor every time? Why do we have to discuss this every time and not Ronnie? What a drag!
Aren't you tired? And then why not Brian?
For many, the Stones without Brian were no longer the Stones regardless of Taylor or Ronnie.
With Taylor's entry, the Stones became a "normal" guitar band like many in those years. Taylor is very good but he distorted the sound of the band, his guitar sounded the same on every song (with some exceptions), it didn't happen with Brian and it doesn't happen with Wood.
Wood is more like Brian than Taylor.
But let's go further...
I agree completely.
So do you think this would have diminished the others? It really doesn't make any sense! First of all, being perfect for a band doesn't mean being better at the guitar, but it's just a personal evaluation on the choice of that period to hire Wood, rather than others who almost certainly wouldn't have lasted long.
Yes, for many reasons it was a perfect choice and it's not me who says it but the history of the Stones.
Saying that Wood is perfect for the Stones doesn't take anything away from the skill of Taylor and Brian and what they did in their respective periods, but if they're no longer there it's because they weren't perfect for the Stones, it seems clear to me!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-06-27 00:26 by Taylor1.
Re: Ronnie Wood is terrific
Posted by:
TheflyingDutchman
()
Date: June 27, 2024 00:14
Quote
Rockman
Both of the Glimmer Twins are pretty funny toooooooo ....
That's a tricky one Rockman.
Re: Ronnie Wood is terrific
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: June 27, 2024 01:24
Quote
keefriffhardsQuote
GasLightStreetQuote
keefriffhards
There are no better guitarists than Taylor for the Stones, not just his playing, the songs he was involved in are the best Stones tracks as far as I'm concerned. Ronnie brought mediocrity to the greatest rock band in the world, his creative input wasn't as inspiring to the band as Taylor's
So Keith Richards isn't up to snuff for the Stones.
OK.
That's really strange.
That's way out there. Like saying Keith came up with the riff for Brown Sugar out there.
However, you're basically saying that you're not a fan of, at all - and don't listen to or even consider and or acknowledge these to be Rolling Stones albums - BLACK AND BLUE through HACKNEY DIAMONDS.
I was gonna stop with UNDERCOVER, although Ronnie's playing on DIRTY WORK and STEEL WHEELS is excellent but, those albums aren't exactly, well, SW is ok, but you made it clear - no Ronnie Wood Stones albums are worthy ie all Ronnie Wood Stones albums are mediocre - same thing.
So the Stones stopped for you in 1974.
Or was it in 1975 with MADE IN THE SHADE?
Whichever album, that's cool for you, keefriffhards, named after a Rolling Stone that is second or third rate - or whatever level you'd like to claim.
If being cool is missing out on great songs and performances. And denying continued greatness (not always but in general - even EXILE has stinkers on it).
That's far out, dude.
What are you talking about, Taylor was the best possible guitarist to bring out the best in Keith, meaning there was no better guitarist than Taylor for Keith/Stones.
The Stones remained a great band with great albums in spite of Ronnie not because of Ronnie.
In my opinion the Stones reached their greatest heights with Taylor on lead and Keith on rhythm, it's regarded by many as the best combination in Rock history.
What are you banging on about saying Keith isn't up to snuff, putting words in my mouth, you know I'm not saying that so why be so provocative.
I like Ronnie as a person, he is terrific and a breath of fresh air but he ain't no genius and he was lackluster through much of the 90's live when the Stones did those huge tours that i attended.
Albums like Black And Blue, Undercover, Dirty Work, Steel Wheels were good albums with some jems but in no way comparable to the period with Taylor, but it's just my opinion.
Of course Keith is the greatest Stones guitarist, do i have to spell it out, he is the Stones.
Oh.
I took "There are no better guitarists than Taylor for the Stones" literally.
It was a bit tongue in cheek - because you know I know that you're a big Keith fan.
You're right, though. Your opinion lines up with their critical acclaim (even the Stones acknowledge it, basically, by playing more from LIB-EOMS than any other albums over the years).
As much as I love the 1978-1983 era, a whole 5 months prior to Start Me Up and then two weeks later TATTOO YOU, I had only heard SUCKING IN THE SEVENTIES (a girlfriend got it for me) outside of the Jones/Jones-less/Taylor Stones (up through GYYYO and HOT ROCKS - for some reason my dad didn't get STICKY FINGERS or EXILE ON MAIN STREET).
What's missing is 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1976, 1978 and 1980 as a whole. I didn't know anything about what was on SITS other than Beast Of Burden and Shattered, which were on the radio on the bus a lot. So I was unknowingly listening to 1974, 1976 and 1978 Stones. I was 10 years old and raised on LET IT BLEED and GYYYO (among a few Beatles albums etc) and bought my first Stones album - TATTOO YOU (I mowed lawns that summer so I had a little money).
It wasn't until the Virgin reissues that I truly got into the Mick Taylor years - I had caught up to speed in 1983 and started buying anything so by the time STEEL WHEELS came out I had their entire discography on vinyl (and a few on CD) but life was flying by and I didn't exactly pay attention, I just knew a lot of it sounded awesome. I knew the guitar solos in SFTD on GYYYO were insane, that Midnight Rambler was great to listen to (and SFTD) before playing a hockey game, and I thought Time Waits For No One was magnificent - but that's all I knew.
I'd listen to MORE HOT ROCKS on headphones and when 2000 Light Years came on I was convinced, based on the photos in that comp, that that was the sound of being stoned.
No matter what, it's about now, and Mick had this to say about Ronnie:
Mick Jagger (1975): Choosing Ronnie
They can both play solo. I mean, Keith used to be a lead guitarist of the Rolling Stones, remember? Maybe Keith's gonna have to do more solos. Now he's gotten kind of into this rhytm guitar thing.
I wanted someone that was easy to get on with, you know, that wasn,t too difficult and that was a good player and was used to playing onstage. It's quite a lot to ask of someone to come and do a big American tour with a band like the Stones, you know? I mean, not that I think the Stones are any really big deal, but it tends to be a bit of a paralyzing experience for people. You know what I mean? And I wanted someone that wasn't going to be phased out.
He can sing... a little. He'll probably say a lot about that! He can sing. He's starting to get it together... Onstage he's got a lot of style. And it's gotta be fun on the road. That's what it's all about, isn't it?
[timeisonourside.com]
Consider that Mick Taylor just up and quit. That's not Ronnie's fault. Would the Stones still have done BLACK AND BLUE as we know it with Taylor?
No.
Neither SOME GIRLS. You can basically count on the fact that a majority of SOME GIRLS wouldn't exist if Taylor was still in the Stones in 1977.
Did you know there's pedal steel on Shattered? Ronnie really laid it out from 1977-1983.
Re: Ronnie Wood is terrific
Posted by:
TheflyingDutchman
()
Date: June 27, 2024 01:44
Quote
GasLightStreet
Did you know there's pedal steel on Shattered? Ronnie really laid it out from 1977-1983.
Yes I know. There's also one on "Torn and Frayed". Slightly different approach. Al Perkins if memory serves.
Re: Ronnie Wood is terrific
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: June 27, 2024 08:44
Quote
TheflyingDutchmanQuote
GasLightStreet
Did you know there's pedal steel on Shattered? Ronnie really laid it out from 1977-1983.
Yes I know. There's also one on "Torn and Frayed". Slightly different approach. Al Perkins if memory serves.
Do you know who plays the steel drums on Loving Cup?
I've never been able to find out.
Re: Ronnie Wood is terrific
Posted by:
TheflyingDutchman
()
Date: June 27, 2024 13:10
Quote
GasLightStreet
Do you know who plays the steel drums on Loving Cup?
I've never been able to find out.
If it's filed under percussion it could be Jimmy Miller.
Re: Ronnie Wood is terrific
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: June 27, 2024 14:21
Quote
keefriffhardsQuote
Taylor1Hard to think of a guitarist who could have played better live than Taylor in 1972-1973 .Joe Satriani is considered an incredible great.Yet his playing on Rolling Stone songs on his live shows with Jagger aren’t betterQuote
TheflyingDutchmanQuote
harlem shuffle
Stones could have had a much better guitarplayer than Ron Wood.
They didn't need a better one. That's not what the Stones are all about; It would have been the end of the Rolling Stones -becoming off-balance musically. Ask the majority of the fans.
With the exception of a few die-hard Taylorites, (like me). Or preferably an even better player than Taylor.
There are no better guitarists than Taylor for the Stones, not just his playing, the songs he was involved in are the best Stones tracks as far as I'm concerned.
Ronnie brought mediocrity to the greatest rock band in the world, his creative input wasn't as inspiring to the band as Taylor's
Taylor entered the Stones when the Glimmer Twins were at their creative peak, laying the foundations for the next three albums to come. Any hotshot guitarist would have done a group job at the time, with the greatest rock songs of all time being written, and being played with the best ever rhythm section.
Was Taylor the best fit? Live, probably yes. But in the studio? I personally don't think so -he is absent for much of Exile, and couldn't save GHS and IORR. He was too much of a live lead player to be of really great use in the studio.
Wood gave the Stones 8 more years of renewed energy, their biggest selling albums, and some of their biggest hits and tours up until 1985, when it all ended.
Mathijs
Re: Ronnie Wood is terrific
Posted by:
RisingStone
()
Date: June 27, 2024 15:43
The British rock scene in the late 60s and early 70s was the time for star guitar players — Clapton, Beck, Page, Hendrix, Townshend, Lee, Blackmore et al. By recruiting Mick Taylor, the Stones kind of updated themselves and their image to follow the trend. Whether it was a conscious effort or not, I’m not sure. But it certainly worked and Taylor’s contribution brought the band — especially on live performances — many unforgettable moments. Midnight Rambler Brussels ‘73 is a prime example.
That being said, at the end of the day, Stones music is not about long instrumental jams and virtuoso guitar playing. It is probable Taylor’s leave from the group would have happened sooner or later if not in 1974.
That being said, at the end of the day, Stones music is not about long instrumental jams and virtuoso guitar playing. It is probable Taylor’s leave from the group would have happened sooner or later if not in 1974.
Re: Ronnie Wood is terrific
Posted by:
Tekumseh
()
Date: June 27, 2024 15:47
I was a bit worried about Ron when I saw the Stones last time in Stockholm in 2022. He looked tired and "stone-faced." It was at the end of a long tour, and he just could've had a bad day - and with his wife and his youngest children with him on the road I can totaly understand that. But anyway his night was not as bad as in Stockholm Stadium in 2003 though (a bump in the road concert.) :-p
That's why it is so great watching videos from this years tour in the US. His big smile is back, and it looks like he's having a really good time out there.
My favourite Stones sound is the Stripped-era in 1995, with these 1000-people-half-acoustic shows, with Ron mostly electric and Keith mostly acoustic. That could not have been done that way with either Brian Jones or Mick Taylor, or anyone else.
That's why it is so great watching videos from this years tour in the US. His big smile is back, and it looks like he's having a really good time out there.
My favourite Stones sound is the Stripped-era in 1995, with these 1000-people-half-acoustic shows, with Ron mostly electric and Keith mostly acoustic. That could not have been done that way with either Brian Jones or Mick Taylor, or anyone else.
Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
Online Users
Guests:
442
Record Number of Users:
206
on June 1, 2022 23:50
Record Number of Guests:
9627
on January 2, 2024 23:10