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the people that dislike it are entitled to there opinions and to being able to articulate it without them being told there lesser fans because of it
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That misses the point completely. Many have expressed that the album is not their cup of tea. But a couple, one DB in particular, takes it as a personal afront that people enjoy it, and has posted probably well over 100 times in the thread how much it sucks ... as if he's either trying to convince others, or at least ruin the experience for them.

It's happened to me also, i really loved half the tracks on Dirty Work, thought Mick's efforts and the guitars were great, came to iorr and people like GasLightStreet destroyed the album, way over the top compared to anything I've ever said.
Works both ways i guess if you feel passionate enough about music.

Well I won't get into that one further after this response, as I had my say on that many times ... but you have that one reversed ... DW is definitely their worst album, going by feedback on here (and other sites) ... and there have been a couple posters doing the same as you, HMS in particular -- who thought that if he posted enough about how great it was, he would change people's opinion of the album ... so he turned ever thread into a DW discussion:

"Tumbling Dice is great, but it's not as good as 1/2 of DW."
"Exile is an album of throwawys, not like DW."
... you get the idea. So GL, myself, and a couple others, were responding to that person's constant egging.

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If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

... funny if you think that's what it's about. Again, many expressed dislike for Hackney, nobody cared or gave them grief about it ... it turned into that after you kept posting, multiple times on every page, or so it seemed, about how bad it was -- basically trolling. But whatever, have at it.

btw, I am still not clear, do you like Hackney?

Funny that you make a statement like this LeonidP, as any time I posted my attempting to find what so many others loved about HD and failing to do so, I was slaughtered for it - by you and a couple others I can't recall anymore, and nor do I care to. I didn't consider it trolling myself. I was merely expressing my latest failed attempt at trying to love an album we all waited 18 years for. I haven't listened to it in probably close to a year now. I have no desire to. For that matter, today is the first time I am listening to the Stones in months. Far too many other great, newer, genuine and authentic obscure bands to listen to without getting lost in the shadows of what this band used to be for me. They still put on one helluva show, but it's just not the same without Charlie, I'm afraid.

I don't miss IORR anymore. When I stopped posting because I felt personally attacked for my opinions not following the masses, I would still check in almost daily. I go weeks now without even giving it a thought. Life has moved on from it, and it was a huge part of my existence post my 2nd divorce. Much of the friendliness that drew me here in the first place, some 15+ years ago, has long ago left, replaced by the anointed attitude of a few who's opinions dare not be challenged. I have no use for such drivel these days. Life is far too short that crap.

I'm happy for all those who love HD, truly. After the excitement of Angry wore off, which it did rather quickly, I realized there was nothing to the album. There's no sustenance. ABB wasn't a great album - far too many weak tracks - but I played the sh outta that one. HD, for me, is relegated to the albums I play only on a rare occasion to mix up things. This includes ER, U, SG, IORR.

In parting, I would just like to add that I, too, love DW, keefriffhards. I know it puts us in the minority, but, for me, it is a much better album than the 3 original studio albums that preceded it (not counting TY, as that was a collection of extra songs). For me, DW is easily in their Top 10 albums, but then I also love Black And Blue, another album that is often sh-canned around here.

Anyway, I wish all of you well - some more than others - but all nonetheless.

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Funny that you make a statement like this LeonidP, as any time I posted my attempting to find what so many others loved about HD and failing to do so, I was slaughtered for it - by you and a couple others ...

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God the people who hate HD really cannot let it go, can they. Fine, hate the album, and spare no detail as to why it is so very bad, and how awful and deluded anyone who likes it is. I've really enjoyed it from day one, even if it is a long distance from the big four.
'I haven't listened to it in probably close to a year now. I have no desire to' hardly sounds like 'attempting to find what so many others loved about HD and failing to do so' - if you want to know what I loved about it, read my review from when it came out. I stand by it today, even with the over-enthusiasm of hearing a new Rolling Stones album for the first time. You might think I'm a clueless, tastelesss idiot for liking it as much as I do, but I do, and the review will explain why. No one has to agree with it, but for all those who don't like it, you;re all wrong hahaha.

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The thing is, if it's OK to make positive comments about HD and constantly bang on about it like it's a religion then why is it a problem if someone questions that.
It's not a personal insult to ask exactly why is this album so fantastic, it should be OK to want to know is it because you actually like Micks solo work and this is similar with Ronnie playing great on it., or do you think Keith really should back off from songwriting because he's old fashioned so it suits for Keith to take a back seat.
This was supposed to be a Stones album, 18 years of waiting and Keith historically the Stones major song writing force comes out with a few songs and sings one of them.

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The thing is, if it's OK to make positive comments about HD and constantly bang on about it like it's a religion then why is it a problem if someone questions that.
It's not a personal insult to ask exactly why is this album so fantastic, it should be OK to want to know is it because you actually like Micks solo work and this is similar with Ronnie playing great on it., or do you think Keith really should back off from songwriting because he's old fashioned so it suits for Keith to take a back seat.
This was supposed to be a Stones album, 18 years of waiting and Keith historically the Stones major song writing force comes out with a few songs and sings one of them.

You ask why? I mean, you REALLY ask why?

May I guess that the first group comes over as positive, welcoming, enthusiastic and as such much more sympathetic than people constantly nagging about the same thing and spreading negativity by doing so.

It's only human imo. I mean, how do you behave in real life? Do you repeatedly talk about food you hate, colors you hate, people you hate, aspects of your wife's or children's characters you hate or other things in general that you hate with the same people who know all this already?

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Please just forget about me
Cancel out my name
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To be fair, Keith did say in the April 2019 issue of MOJO when being interviewed in New York:

"It ain't the Stones trying to be the Stones, it's the Stones trying to BE. Hehehehe"

Quite a lot can be interpreted from that one sentence IMHO.

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The thing is, if it's OK to make positive comments about HD and constantly bang on about it like it's a religion then why is it a problem if someone questions that.
It's not a personal insult to ask exactly why is this album so fantastic, it should be OK to want to know is it because you actually like Micks solo work and this is similar with Ronnie playing great on it., or do you think Keith really should back off from songwriting because he's old fashioned so it suits for Keith to take a back seat.
This was supposed to be a Stones album, 18 years of waiting and Keith historically the Stones major song writing force comes out with a few songs and sings one of them.

You ask why? I mean, you REALLY ask why?

May I guess that the first group comes over as positive, welcoming, enthusiastic and as such much more sympathetic than people constantly nagging about the same thing and spreading negativity by doing so.

It's only human imo. I mean, how do you behave in real life? Do you repeatedly talk about food you hate, colors you hate, people you hate, aspects of your wife's or children's characters you hate or other things in general that you hate with the same people who know all this already?

The way you guys underline or take one sentence or paragraph from posts or underline words in your posts to constantly push your narrative or take posts out of context is so transparent, you only seem to show up on iorr to continue the campaign you and a few others repeat over and over.

Are you saying unless people have something positive to say about the album then don't say anything ?, what is that all about, was iorr set up to be so one sided, do you see yourself as gatekeepers to prevent open conversations.

What are you going on about in your post. really man does that make you feel good inside, we are talking music here, what's it got to with my wife and children who i love and they love me if you must know.

Yes I'm a positive person, i don't need to constantly pretend something is fantastic to justify myself on iorr, i like to get to the heart of a subject, why was Keith's creative force mostly absent on HD, what happened to the album Charlie was referring to in an interview that must have been scrapped. These are things that haven’t been discussed to my knowledge.

Have a nice day retired_dog.

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To be fair, Keith did say in the April 2019 issue of MOJO when being interviewed in New York:

"It ain't the Stones trying to be the Stones, it's the Stones trying to BE. Hehehehe"

Quite a lot can be interpreted from that one sentence IMHO.

I dig that quote!

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Back to the album, anyone listen to the bluray and have an opinion? I seriously wondered if my system was messed up, seems to be severely lacking in the low end. The separation of channels is great but seems they forgot to include the rhythm section.

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Good to see the thread back on track.
It's hard to make a 'great' album. All art has become self-reference. "Oh, they're doing "that" sound' they're quoting "this" feel". So hard to surprise anymore; to really grab people's emotions.
Personally I feel that the journey the Stones originally set me out upon, is best continued with Keith's solo albums. Chronologically, artistically, I go from 'Undercover' to "Talk is Cheap'.
On the other hand the tongue is selling baseballs, wine, cologne - it's a fact. The Stones, and Jagger pretty much spear headed stadium, corporate rock. So HD is the right album.

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Good to see the thread back on track.
It's hard to make a 'great' album. All art has become self-reference. "Oh, they're doing "that" sound' they're quoting "this" feel". So hard to surprise anymore; to really grab people's emotions.
Personally I feel that the journey the Stones originally set me out upon, is best continued with Keith's solo albums. Chronologically, artistically, I go from 'Undercover' to "Talk is Cheap'.
On the other hand the tongue is selling baseballs, wine, cologne - it's a fact. The Stones, and Jagger pretty much spear headed stadium, corporate rock. So HD is the right album.

Very well put, this is one of the reasons i preferred the solo albums, I'll put Ronnie in the mix too because I Feel Like Playing was a great surprise, i know i keep using the word honest, with the three remaining Stones making solo albums we got more honestly and less sell out.

I would have preferred a bunch of solo albums from the boys over the past 20 years, would have loved to see them progress creatively as solo artists the way Dylan has.
Mick and Keith never really made up artistically, they were never able to be patient enough with exch other to have the trust to truly collaborate since Mick's first solo album.

As you say, HD was the right album to make commercially so I'm really positive about that.

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Good to see the thread back on track.
It's hard to make a 'great' album. All art has become self-reference. "Oh, they're doing "that" sound' they're quoting "this" feel". So hard to surprise anymore; to really grab people's emotions.
Personally I feel that the journey the Stones originally set me out upon, is best continued with Keith's solo albums. Chronologically, artistically, I go from 'Undercover' to "Talk is Cheap'.
On the other hand the tongue is selling baseballs, wine, cologne - it's a fact. The Stones, and Jagger pretty much spear headed stadium, corporate rock. So HD is the right album.

Very well put, this is one of the reasons i preferred the solo albums, I'll put Ronnie in the mix too because I Feel Like Playing was a great surprise, i know i keep using the word honest, with the three remaining Stones making solo albums we got more honestly and less sell out.

I would have preferred a bunch of solo albums from the boys over the past 20 years, would have loved to see them progress creatively as solo artists the way Dylan has.
Mick and Keith never really made up artistically, they were never able to be patient enough with exch other to have the trust to truly collaborate since Mick's first solo album.

As you say, HD was the right album to make commercially so I'm really positive about that.

True KRH. After posting earlier I was thinking on it, and how the best Stones post '88 seems to all have come from solo albums. Not only Keith, Ronnie definitely, but very much Mick.
It could be that the moment they assume the big Stones name, put on the cape so to speak, they are held to a certain set of principles.

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i believe andrew watts is a fan. this lead to classic parts such as keith vocal on micks blend.(dreamy skies)hackney has shades from all the best songs.isn 't that what watts give to all the people he produce for.i think he modern but has great songs to build on..

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i believe andrew watts is a fan. this lead to classic parts such as keith vocal on micks blend.(dreamy skies)hackney has shades from all the best songs.isn 't that what watts give to all the people he produce for.i think he modern but has great songs to build on..

There is no one known as Andrew Watts.

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Back to the album, anyone listen to the bluray and have an opinion? I seriously wondered if my system was messed up, seems to be severely lacking in the low end. The separation of channels is great but seems they forgot to include the rhythm section.

To my ears the album sounds like that on every format, this might explain why i don't like what i hear.
Something is missing. that unmistakable Stones sound is absent.

Also Keith's guitar has always structured the sound, like the rest of the band work around Keith's guitar.
Parts of HD sound like Keith has been added to the tracks.

It's telling that it was reported Mick and Watt's have been seen in the studio, back in the day it was always Mick and Keith in the studio and then others follow..
Could this turn out to be another Jagger/ Watts sounding album with Ronnie and Keith added to it, Keith will hopefully add a few of his Gems and hold onto the the 3 killer riffs that he keeps for presumably the right time and everyone is happy and positive. I'm feeling extremely positive about it.

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I liked HD on the first listen. I still do.
The argument over this ‘un sounding more like a Mick solo album rather than the old school Stones albums doesn’t bother me. It’s still a Rolling Stones record and very good at that.
To me, the vintage Stones and the modern Stones are one, both Rolling Stones in different phases, disguises and musical approaches. Simple as that.

It is no use trying to persuade those who like it into believing it is a dud , or convert naysayers to lovers. You like it or not, and leave it as that.