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Hi DP hope you're good, I've been reading your consistent thoughts on HD since it's release and i have to say I'm not hearing the same Stones album you are haha.
With all due respect don't hear Keith's distinctive guitar touches we are accustomed to from him, if it's there its buried or Watt's has done a lacklustre impression of Keith's guitar.
I have been surprised you put the album in such high regard, obviously you are not a negative person anyway but yeah, surprised at your impression.
You know just because I'm not a fan of HD doesn’t mean I'm not a fan
i remember reading that watt saying somewhere too
clearly keith wasn't absent from the creative process
sweethearts is on of those songs i wish they'd do live with mick and keith singing together
a very nice ballad
It's happened to me also, i really loved half the tracks on Dirty Work, thought Mick's efforts and the guitars were great, came to iorr and people like GasLightStreet destroyed the album, way over the top compared to anything I've ever said.
Works both ways i guess if you feel passionate enough about music.
If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.
I know, Riffie
Lots of good stuff from Keith in the left channel on Get Close and Live By The Sword, not to mention his beautiful licks (electric guitar) on Dreamy Skies. Even in the ending on Bite My Head Off (left channel) he lets it rip. In the verses on Mess It Up, there is a classic Keith riff fest, albeit in standard tuning.
I don't have to mention Driving Me Too Hard and Rolling Stone Blues, both glorious, imo. Same with the (very highlighted) Tumbling Dice-esque licks on Angry.
Well, I guess different strokes for different folks makes a better world – also a better Stones world
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-05-26 13:47 by DandelionPowderman.
I suppose it's there if you really look for it but it's a bit weak because the songs aren't there, to my ears half the tracks are album filler.
Yes obviously love Driving Me Too Hard, although would have preferred Keith sing his song.
All the tracks from HD played live were very weak from Keith, nothing really for him to get to grips with.
As you say different strokes for different folks, I'll leave you good people alone now, stick to the Clapton and Dylan thread
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-05-26 19:34 by Taylor1.
Mick Taylor contributed to a whole lot more than just sublime guitar parts, i have no doubt Jaggers most creative period was down to Taylor.
Not getting the song writing credits was undoubtedly the real reason Taylor left the Stones, sad for everyone, the Stones, the fans, the greed involved was shameful.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-05-26 21:51 by keefriffhards.
There were a few they wrote together. Keith brought three songs, didn't he? Not sure why that would be 'weak'? When did Taylor show up with three songs for a Stones album, btw?
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You can't counter ideology with facts, Dandy. Riffie is not a Stones fan - that would include all members and, of course, also Mick - he is first and foremost a Keith fan. Nothing wrong with that per se, but if it involves constant downplaying of other band members and childish conspiracy theories, you're obviously dealing with a weirdo here who turns every attempt at serious discussion into a sheer waste of time.
Sorry retired_dog, but you've overstepped here and I must strenuously disagree with you.
I think you must mean an "utter", and not a "sheer".
Sorry retired_dog, but you've overstepped here and I must strenuously disagree with you.
I think you must mean an "utter", and not a "sheer".
Treacle, yes, after thinking about it (twice!) and thoroughly considering and carefully weighing all pros and cons I must admit that "utter" is more appropriate in this (sad) case.
Well I won't get into that one further after this response, as I had my say on that many times ... but you have that one reversed ... DW is definitely their worst album, going by feedback on here (and other sites) ... and there have been a couple posters doing the same as you, HMS in particular -- who thought that if he posted enough about how great it was, he would change people's opinion of the album ... so he turned ever thread into a DW discussion:
"Tumbling Dice is great, but it's not as good as 1/2 of DW."
"Exile is an album of throwawys, not like DW."
... you get the idea. So GL, myself, and a couple others, were responding to that person's constant egging.
btw, I am still not clear, do you like Hackney?
Thanks for explaining the HMS situation the way you saw it, i happened to agree with him, he wasn't a troll, he was just passionate about some of the gems on Dirty Work.
He stood up to all the abuse he got for holding on to his views, i respected that. he and gaslight going at it was funny at times.
I think he stopped posting when the insults became relentless, like i get now, weirdo/troll/conspiracy theories, all because people don't like my opinion.
Can you understand you are telling me i shouldn't like Dirty Work because too many people think it's rubbish.
Can you understand you are doing what you are accusing me of doing, try to understand it's subjective, i Love Sleep Tonight/ One Hit To The Body, tittle track Dirty Work etc.
I don't make personal insults at people because i disagree with them, i play by the rules BV sets.
What do i think of HD?
As I've said, Micks too high in the mix, many tracks sound like album filler, i don't like the production, many tracks remind me of Micks solo albums, would have loved more input from Keith. Hopefully next time.
I just want to post and put out my thoughts without personal insults.
I welcome people to disagree with me and explain why they do about all things Rolling Stones, my opinion has changed over the years concerning the Stones members past and present, at the end of the day we are just seeking the truth behind the mystery and myths, what's behind the veil, from songwriting to playing, it's fascinating, at least it is to me, that we all love and hate to extreme all aspects about the Stones, until iorr i assumed people loved the things i do about them, as it turns out, absolutely not
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You really thought that all the people are Stones fans because they adore Richards and loathe Jagger? And their idea to contribute to IORR is to come up with any kind of things to put down Jagger? For the latter anything seems to do - from behind bad gossiping, double talk, passive aggression to the craziest conspiracy theories. That of not liking the man's doings is not enough - it seems to be that it is your mission to shout out and prove that the man and his music sucks and is bad all the way.
So sweet what you write there - what a poor little victim you are - and probably you might behave somehow well for a day or two, but what irritates people - at least me - that soon you will just sound again like a bitter man whose wife has had an affair with Jagger (or is the wife actually Richards?).
Let's make this clear: this is nothing to do with liking something or not - a matter of opinion - since those come and go, everybody has several, and those are equal and everything. So do not run away behind that card. This site welcomes and tolerates any kind of opinions. It is your anti-Jagger campaign that - this might surprise you - a site devoted to the Rolling Stones by their fans is not that into. It is really dark and negative - you really talk bad about him. You probably do not have an idea how awful that sounds to the ears of many people who wouldn't be here in this site in the first place without that man. There probably are sites in the world people would love to hear more negative stuff like that - you know, to talk bad about people and wish them worse .
IS THIS REALLY SO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND?
Yeah, as a Rolling Stones fan I really don't like visiting a site to read stuff like that. Not me or any Stones fan deserves that. It is sick.
- Doxa
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Haha... I don't see resemblance between "Angry" and "Don't Stop" at all. Not in quality nor in form. True there are some cliche-like elements in both of them - both embody trademark Stones with no shame - but to me "Angry" is an inspired, well-written, actually catchy tune, with a good riff plus arranged wonderfully. Instead "Don't Stop" sounds more like a casual half-baked demo, with no intention even to finish it properly - it just sounds cozy enough.
But to your question about the length of the albums. Yeah, we have been here in IORR many times discussed about shortening the CD era albums - but usually people will come with different lists of songs - they differ which tunes are the good ones and which the bad ones. My take has usually been that editing - no matter which songs to leave out and re-arranging the rest - would not make those albums that better. Slightly more easy to digest for sure (like with any damn way too long shapeless CD era album), but I don't see that any masterpieces were destroyed due to the lazy, non-critical song selection policy at the time.
My point is more like if instead of quantity they had emphasized quality in that case no matter what tunes had picked up, they would have needed then put more effort to those chosen ones. I think VOODOO LOUNGE, BRIDGES TO BABYLON and A BIGGER BANG sound all more or less half-baked and lazy efforts - there were many good song ideas, even finished songs, but they just somehow didn't have the energy, motivation or drive to really bring those ideas into final, killer form - something they excelled in the past. Even the best individual songs - I think here especially certain BRIDGES BABYLON cuts´- were missing something. Some kind of killer instinct. And I think that was something I think they to an extent rediscovered in HACKNEY DIAMONDS. They worked harder to make those songs sound better both alone and next to each other.
This sort of judgement or vision was lacking in their previous albums. I think this is something Mick has talked about they wanted to avoid with HACKNEY DIAMONDS. The band just did sessions, picked up some pieces, and that's it - the albums were nothing but collections of random songs from random sessions. And the CD form didn't ask more than that: it is the quantity over quality. But some 'point' was missing. And this especially seemed something they were not content with any longer.
So my answer to your question is: if we now pick up our favorite 10 to 12 songs from those three albums and make nice vinyl album versions of them, none of them would be equal to HACKNEY DIAMONDS. But if they had worked harder for those chosen ones then maybe yeah.
- Doxa
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You're saying that like it's a fact. Do you know something I don't?
From what I know Taylor claimed that Mick wrote Sway («I added the guitar solo, but it's Mick's song»). Regarding Moonlight Mile, Taylor claimed he wrote the section with the strings. However, Keith also claimed he wrote the riff that section was based on. Mick said Paul Buckmaster wrote it.
So I suspect that Taylor helped recording (and possibly arranging) those songs, not writing them.
That's what I think, too. It's the same concerning Brian Jones: he'd colour an already created melody, yet not actually write them. Think Ruby Tuesday as the prime example.
I don't have to explain myself to you or anyone, i post very positive things about Mick but you obviously choose to ignore them because it doesn't go along with your fixed opinion of me, I'm in awe of Mick, the things he has done throughout my life that have enthralled me.
Yes I'm critical because Mick has incredible potential and perhaps doesn’t believe his own genius when you looks towards modern trends for inspiration, Mick is the inspiration. .
You keep trying to start a campaign against me, i don't see your for and against BS, I'm plenty critical of Keith recently, i think you keep having a cheap shot at getting me banned by presenting everything i say as a love Keith hate Mick camp, i think we have all moved on from there.
It's best we stay out each others way, I've suggested this before, same with Treacle.
Agreed. To me, a song this good, which isn't even in the top 5 for me on the album, says how they knocked it out of the park with HD.
The fact that they had, according to Mick, either 2/3rds or 3/4s of the "next album" already done when they released HD, and are now spending months in the studio is a good sign they are again focusing their efforts in getting it right, again.
No reason to do a new album for more money...there isn't enough in it to compete with what they make on one show. This is for their muse, their legacy and the fans.
ha ha
I can get your not liking the album, or it's production. But as easy a line as that is to burn HD with, I don't think "casual half-baked demo" is accurate.
They tried hard, you can see that. I think it's totally alright for you to opine they failed but "casual half-baked demo" is a long way off from what HD is.
It can't be both «half-baked» and too polished. Make up your mind
I don't believe you but I'll take the bait.
I like the songwriting, the quality of the material and the way they fit so many styles together so effectively, like they always do in their best work.
Talk about your favorite band.
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Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
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Date: May 26, 2025 12:11
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Regarding HD, it's hard to fathom that people don't hear the Keith influence on songs like Get Close, Whole Wide World, Dreamy SKies, Mess It Up, Live By The Sword, Driving Me Too Hard, Tell Me Straight and, of course, Rolling Stone Blues.
How can HD be a «Mick solo album» with those songs and that guitar? Come on!
I get that the production is slick, albeit only in some places. Nobody would say that Dreamy Skies, Live By The Sword or Rolling Stone Blues is slick or modern, right?
Hi DP hope you're good, I've been reading your consistent thoughts on HD since it's release and i have to say I'm not hearing the same Stones album you are haha.
With all due respect don't hear Keith's distinctive guitar touches we are accustomed to from him, if it's there its buried or Watt's has done a lacklustre impression of Keith's guitar.
I have been surprised you put the album in such high regard, obviously you are not a negative person anyway but yeah, surprised at your impression.
You know just because I'm not a fan of HD doesn’t mean I'm not a fan
Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
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Date: May 26, 2025 12:16
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According to Watt (don't remember which interview), Keith was the one who spent most time in the studio, and really worked his arse off for this album (obviously, I'm paraphrasing here
Btw, I really wanted to include Sweethearts Together as well, but I decided 10 songs was enough.
i remember reading that watt saying somewhere too
clearly keith wasn't absent from the creative process
sweethearts is on of those songs i wish they'd do live with mick and keith singing together
a very nice ballad
Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
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Date: May 26, 2025 12:54
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the people that dislike it are entitled to there opinions and to being able to articulate it without them being told there lesser fans because of it
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That misses the point completely. Many have expressed that the album is not their cup of tea. But a couple, one DB in particular, takes it as a personal afront that people enjoy it, and has posted probably well over 100 times in the thread how much it sucks ... as if he's either trying to convince others, or at least ruin the experience for them.
It's happened to me also, i really loved half the tracks on Dirty Work, thought Mick's efforts and the guitars were great, came to iorr and people like GasLightStreet destroyed the album, way over the top compared to anything I've ever said.
Works both ways i guess if you feel passionate enough about music.
If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.
Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
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Date: May 26, 2025 13:43
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My VL:
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Regarding HD, it's hard to fathom that people don't hear the Keith influence on songs like Get Close, Whole Wide World, Dreamy SKies, Mess It Up, Live By The Sword, Driving Me Too Hard, Tell Me Straight and, of course, Rolling Stone Blues.
How can HD be a «Mick solo album» with those songs and that guitar? Come on!
I get that the production is slick, albeit only in some places. Nobody would say that Dreamy Skies, Live By The Sword or Rolling Stone Blues is slick or modern, right?
Hi DP hope you're good, I've been reading your consistent thoughts on HD since it's release and i have to say I'm not hearing the same Stones album you are haha.
With all due respect don't hear Keith's distinctive guitar touches we are accustomed to from him, if it's there its buried or Watt's has done a lacklustre impression of Keith's guitar.
I have been surprised you put the album in such high regard, obviously you are not a negative person anyway but yeah, surprised at your impression.
You know just because I'm not a fan of HD doesn’t mean I'm not a fan
I know, Riffie
Lots of good stuff from Keith in the left channel on Get Close and Live By The Sword, not to mention his beautiful licks (electric guitar) on Dreamy Skies. Even in the ending on Bite My Head Off (left channel) he lets it rip. In the verses on Mess It Up, there is a classic Keith riff fest, albeit in standard tuning.
I don't have to mention Driving Me Too Hard and Rolling Stone Blues, both glorious, imo. Same with the (very highlighted) Tumbling Dice-esque licks on Angry.
Well, I guess different strokes for different folks makes a better world – also a better Stones world
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-05-26 13:47 by DandelionPowderman.
Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
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Date: May 26, 2025 15:50
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My VL:
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Sparks Will Fly
The Worst
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Moon Is Up
Brand New Car
Out Of Tears
Baby Break It Down
Mean Disposition
Regarding HD, it's hard to fathom that people don't hear the Keith influence on songs like Get Close, Whole Wide World, Dreamy SKies, Mess It Up, Live By The Sword, Driving Me Too Hard, Tell Me Straight and, of course, Rolling Stone Blues.
How can HD be a «Mick solo album» with those songs and that guitar? Come on!
I get that the production is slick, albeit only in some places. Nobody would say that Dreamy Skies, Live By The Sword or Rolling Stone Blues is slick or modern, right?
Hi DP hope you're good, I've been reading your consistent thoughts on HD since it's release and i have to say I'm not hearing the same Stones album you are haha.
With all due respect don't hear Keith's distinctive guitar touches we are accustomed to from him, if it's there its buried or Watt's has done a lacklustre impression of Keith's guitar.
I have been surprised you put the album in such high regard, obviously you are not a negative person anyway but yeah, surprised at your impression.
You know just because I'm not a fan of HD doesn’t mean I'm not a fan
I know, Riffie
Lots of good stuff from Keith in the left channel on Get Close and Live By The Sword, not to mention his beautiful licks (electric guitar) on Dreamy Skies. Even in the ending on Bite My Head Off (left channel) he lets it rip. In the verses on Mess It Up, there is a classic Keith riff fest, albeit in standard tuning.
I don't have to mention Driving Me Too Hard and Rolling Stone Blues, both glorious, imo. Same with the (very highlighted) Tumbling Dice-esque licks on Angry.
Well, I guess different strokes for different folks makes a better world – also a better Stones world
I suppose it's there if you really look for it but it's a bit weak because the songs aren't there, to my ears half the tracks are album filler.
Yes obviously love Driving Me Too Hard, although would have preferred Keith sing his song.
All the tracks from HD played live were very weak from Keith, nothing really for him to get to grips with.
As you say different strokes for different folks, I'll leave you good people alone now, stick to the Clapton and Dylan thread
Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
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Date: May 26, 2025 18:25
I love that Mick sings Driving Me Too Hard, and I love it even more when Keith comes in on those harmonies...'Look what you've done to me...'.
It makes a grown man cry!
It makes a grown man cry!
Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
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Date: May 26, 2025 19:33
But his contribution to creating the music , writing the songs, is kind ofweak .What your saying , his guitar playing,could apply to Mick Taylor’s contributions to Stone’s albums.Quote
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Regarding HD, it's hard to fathom that people don't hear the Keith influence on songs like Get Close, Whole Wide World, Dreamy SKies, Mess It Up, Live By The Sword, Driving Me Too Hard, Tell Me Straight and, of course, Rolling Stone Blues.
How can HD be a «Mick solo album» with those songs and that guitar? Come on!
I get that the production is slick, albeit only in some places. Nobody would say that Dreamy Skies, Live By The Sword or Rolling Stone Blues is slick or modern, right?
Hi DP hope you're good, I've been reading your consistent thoughts on HD since it's release and i have to say I'm not hearing the same Stones album you are haha.
With all due respect don't hear Keith's distinctive guitar touches we are accustomed to from him, if it's there its buried or Watt's has done a lacklustre impression of Keith's guitar.
I have been surprised you put the album in such high regard, obviously you are not a negative person anyway but yeah, surprised at your impression.
You know just because I'm not a fan of HD doesn’t mean I'm not a fan
I know, Riffie
Lots of good stuff from Keith in the left channel on Get Close and Live By The Sword, not to mention his beautiful licks (electric guitar) on Dreamy Skies. Even in the ending on Bite My Head Off (left channel) he lets it rip. In the verses on Mess It Up, there is a classic Keith riff fest, albeit in standard tuning.
I don't have to mention Driving Me Too Hard and Rolling Stone Blues, both glorious, imo. Same with the (very highlighted) Tumbling Dice-esque licks on Angry.
Well, I guess different strokes for different folks makes a better world – also a better Stones world
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-05-26 19:34 by Taylor1.
Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
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Date: May 26, 2025 21:34
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Taylor1But his contribution to creating the music , writing the songs, is kind ofweak .What your saying , his guitar playing,could apply to Mick Taylor’s contributions to Stone’s albums.Quote
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Regarding HD, it's hard to fathom that people don't hear the Keith influence on songs like Get Close, Whole Wide World, Dreamy SKies, Mess It Up, Live By The Sword, Driving Me Too Hard, Tell Me Straight and, of course, Rolling Stone Blues.
How can HD be a «Mick solo album» with those songs and that guitar? Come on!
I get that the production is slick, albeit only in some places. Nobody would say that Dreamy Skies, Live By The Sword or Rolling Stone Blues is slick or modern, right?
Hi DP hope you're good, I've been reading your consistent thoughts on HD since it's release and i have to say I'm not hearing the same Stones album you are haha.
With all due respect don't hear Keith's distinctive guitar touches we are accustomed to from him, if it's there its buried or Watt's has done a lacklustre impression of Keith's guitar.
I have been surprised you put the album in such high regard, obviously you are not a negative person anyway but yeah, surprised at your impression.
You know just because I'm not a fan of HD doesn’t mean I'm not a fan
I know, Riffie
Lots of good stuff from Keith in the left channel on Get Close and Live By The Sword, not to mention his beautiful licks (electric guitar) on Dreamy Skies. Even in the ending on Bite My Head Off (left channel) he lets it rip. In the verses on Mess It Up, there is a classic Keith riff fest, albeit in standard tuning.
I don't have to mention Driving Me Too Hard and Rolling Stone Blues, both glorious, imo. Same with the (very highlighted) Tumbling Dice-esque licks on Angry.
Well, I guess different strokes for different folks makes a better world – also a better Stones world
Mick Taylor contributed to a whole lot more than just sublime guitar parts, i have no doubt Jaggers most creative period was down to Taylor.
Not getting the song writing credits was undoubtedly the real reason Taylor left the Stones, sad for everyone, the Stones, the fans, the greed involved was shameful.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-05-26 21:51 by keefriffhards.
Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
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Date: May 26, 2025 22:06
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Taylor1But his contribution to creating the music , writing the songs, is kind ofweak .What your saying , his guitar playing,could apply to Mick Taylor’s contributions to Stone’s albums.Quote
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Out Of Tears
Baby Break It Down
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Regarding HD, it's hard to fathom that people don't hear the Keith influence on songs like Get Close, Whole Wide World, Dreamy SKies, Mess It Up, Live By The Sword, Driving Me Too Hard, Tell Me Straight and, of course, Rolling Stone Blues.
How can HD be a «Mick solo album» with those songs and that guitar? Come on!
I get that the production is slick, albeit only in some places. Nobody would say that Dreamy Skies, Live By The Sword or Rolling Stone Blues is slick or modern, right?
Hi DP hope you're good, I've been reading your consistent thoughts on HD since it's release and i have to say I'm not hearing the same Stones album you are haha.
With all due respect don't hear Keith's distinctive guitar touches we are accustomed to from him, if it's there its buried or Watt's has done a lacklustre impression of Keith's guitar.
I have been surprised you put the album in such high regard, obviously you are not a negative person anyway but yeah, surprised at your impression.
You know just because I'm not a fan of HD doesn’t mean I'm not a fan
I know, Riffie
Lots of good stuff from Keith in the left channel on Get Close and Live By The Sword, not to mention his beautiful licks (electric guitar) on Dreamy Skies. Even in the ending on Bite My Head Off (left channel) he lets it rip. In the verses on Mess It Up, there is a classic Keith riff fest, albeit in standard tuning.
I don't have to mention Driving Me Too Hard and Rolling Stone Blues, both glorious, imo. Same with the (very highlighted) Tumbling Dice-esque licks on Angry.
Well, I guess different strokes for different folks makes a better world – also a better Stones world
There were a few they wrote together. Keith brought three songs, didn't he? Not sure why that would be 'weak'? When did Taylor show up with three songs for a Stones album, btw?
Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by:
Taylor1
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Date: May 26, 2025 23:02
Wer they all written by him? Didn’t Jagger contribute? And as for Taylor , he helped write Sway and Moonlight Mile.Not comparing Taylor to Keith.Its just that he was the dominant musical force in the band most of the time.Dont hear it on this albumQuote
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You Got Me Rocking
Sparks Will Fly
The Worst
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Moon Is Up
Brand New Car
Out Of Tears
Baby Break It Down
Mean Disposition
Regarding HD, it's hard to fathom that people don't hear the Keith influence on songs like Get Close, Whole Wide World, Dreamy SKies, Mess It Up, Live By The Sword, Driving Me Too Hard, Tell Me Straight and, of course, Rolling Stone Blues.
How can HD be a «Mick solo album» with those songs and that guitar? Come on!
I get that the production is slick, albeit only in some places. Nobody would say that Dreamy Skies, Live By The Sword or Rolling Stone Blues is slick or modern, right?
Hi DP hope you're good, I've been reading your consistent thoughts on HD since it's release and i have to say I'm not hearing the same Stones album you are haha.
With all due respect don't hear Keith's distinctive guitar touches we are accustomed to from him, if it's there its buried or Watt's has done a lacklustre impression of Keith's guitar.
I have been surprised you put the album in such high regard, obviously you are not a negative person anyway but yeah, surprised at your impression.
You know just because I'm not a fan of HD doesn’t mean I'm not a fan
I know, Riffie
Lots of good stuff from Keith in the left channel on Get Close and Live By The Sword, not to mention his beautiful licks (electric guitar) on Dreamy Skies. Even in the ending on Bite My Head Off (left channel) he lets it rip. In the verses on Mess It Up, there is a classic Keith riff fest, albeit in standard tuning.
I don't have to mention Driving Me Too Hard and Rolling Stone Blues, both glorious, imo. Same with the (very highlighted) Tumbling Dice-esque licks on Angry.
Well, I guess different strokes for different folks makes a better world – also a better Stones world
There were a few they wrote together. Keith brought three songs, didn't he? Not sure why that would be 'weak'? When did Taylor show up with three songs for a Stones album, btw?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-05-26 23:37 by Taylor1.
Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: May 26, 2025 23:40
So bizarre, someone thinking Keith's writing on HACKNEY is "kinda weak".
Some songs are obvious what Keith wrote, the rest are on the fence or Jagger with Keith's input regarding styling.
Driving Me Too Hard vs Live By The Sword and Get Close vs Mess It Up are perfect examples.
Some songs are obvious what Keith wrote, the rest are on the fence or Jagger with Keith's input regarding styling.
Driving Me Too Hard vs Live By The Sword and Get Close vs Mess It Up are perfect examples.
Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by:
Munichhilton
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Date: May 27, 2025 02:02
Mess It Up is not a good song...
Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
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Date: May 27, 2025 02:27
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Love Is Strong
You Got Me Rocking
Sparks Will Fly
The Worst
New Faces
Moon Is Up
Brand New Car
Out Of Tears
Baby Break It Down
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Regarding HD, it's hard to fathom that people don't hear the Keith influence on songs like Get Close, Whole Wide World, Dreamy SKies, Mess It Up, Live By The Sword, Driving Me Too Hard, Tell Me Straight and, of course, Rolling Stone Blues.
How can HD be a «Mick solo album» with those songs and that guitar? Come on!
I get that the production is slick, albeit only in some places. Nobody would say that Dreamy Skies, Live By The Sword or Rolling Stone Blues is slick or modern, right?
Hi DP hope you're good, I've been reading your consistent thoughts on HD since it's release and i have to say I'm not hearing the same Stones album you are haha.
With all due respect don't hear Keith's distinctive guitar touches we are accustomed to from him, if it's there its buried or Watt's has done a lacklustre impression of Keith's guitar.
I have been surprised you put the album in such high regard, obviously you are not a negative person anyway but yeah, surprised at your impression.
You know just because I'm not a fan of HD doesn’t mean I'm not a fan
I know, Riffie
Lots of good stuff from Keith in the left channel on Get Close and Live By The Sword, not to mention his beautiful licks (electric guitar) on Dreamy Skies. Even in the ending on Bite My Head Off (left channel) he lets it rip. In the verses on Mess It Up, there is a classic Keith riff fest, albeit in standard tuning.
I don't have to mention Driving Me Too Hard and Rolling Stone Blues, both glorious, imo. Same with the (very highlighted) Tumbling Dice-esque licks on Angry.
Well, I guess different strokes for different folks makes a better world – also a better Stones world
You can't counter ideology with facts, Dandy. Riffie is not a Stones fan - that would include all members and, of course, also Mick - he is first and foremost a Keith fan. Nothing wrong with that per se, but if it involves constant downplaying of other band members and childish conspiracy theories, you're obviously dealing with a weirdo here who turns every attempt at serious discussion into a sheer waste of time.
Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: May 27, 2025 04:03
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My VL:
Love Is Strong
You Got Me Rocking
Sparks Will Fly
The Worst
New Faces
Moon Is Up
Brand New Car
Out Of Tears
Baby Break It Down
Mean Disposition
Regarding HD, it's hard to fathom that people don't hear the Keith influence on songs like Get Close, Whole Wide World, Dreamy SKies, Mess It Up, Live By The Sword, Driving Me Too Hard, Tell Me Straight and, of course, Rolling Stone Blues.
How can HD be a «Mick solo album» with those songs and that guitar? Come on!
I get that the production is slick, albeit only in some places. Nobody would say that Dreamy Skies, Live By The Sword or Rolling Stone Blues is slick or modern, right?
Hi DP hope you're good, I've been reading your consistent thoughts on HD since it's release and i have to say I'm not hearing the same Stones album you are haha.
With all due respect don't hear Keith's distinctive guitar touches we are accustomed to from him, if it's there its buried or Watt's has done a lacklustre impression of Keith's guitar.
I have been surprised you put the album in such high regard, obviously you are not a negative person anyway but yeah, surprised at your impression.
You know just because I'm not a fan of HD doesn’t mean I'm not a fan
I know, Riffie
Lots of good stuff from Keith in the left channel on Get Close and Live By The Sword, not to mention his beautiful licks (electric guitar) on Dreamy Skies. Even in the ending on Bite My Head Off (left channel) he lets it rip. In the verses on Mess It Up, there is a classic Keith riff fest, albeit in standard tuning.
I don't have to mention Driving Me Too Hard and Rolling Stone Blues, both glorious, imo. Same with the (very highlighted) Tumbling Dice-esque licks on Angry.
Well, I guess different strokes for different folks makes a better world – also a better Stones world
You can't counter ideology with facts, Dandy. Riffie is not a Stones fan - that would include all members and, of course, also Mick - he is first and foremost a Keith fan. Nothing wrong with that per se, but if it involves constant downplaying of other band members and childish conspiracy theories, you're obviously dealing with a weirdo here who turns every attempt at serious discussion into a sheer waste of time.
Sorry retired_dog, but you've overstepped here and I must strenuously disagree with you.
I think you must mean an "utter", and not a "sheer".
Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: May 27, 2025 04:03
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My VL:
Love Is Strong
You Got Me Rocking
Sparks Will Fly
The Worst
New Faces
Moon Is Up
Brand New Car
Out Of Tears
Baby Break It Down
Mean Disposition
Regarding HD, it's hard to fathom that people don't hear the Keith influence on songs like Get Close, Whole Wide World, Dreamy SKies, Mess It Up, Live By The Sword, Driving Me Too Hard, Tell Me Straight and, of course, Rolling Stone Blues.
How can HD be a «Mick solo album» with those songs and that guitar? Come on!
I get that the production is slick, albeit only in some places. Nobody would say that Dreamy Skies, Live By The Sword or Rolling Stone Blues is slick or modern, right?
Hi DP hope you're good, I've been reading your consistent thoughts on HD since it's release and i have to say I'm not hearing the same Stones album you are haha.
With all due respect don't hear Keith's distinctive guitar touches we are accustomed to from him, if it's there its buried or Watt's has done a lacklustre impression of Keith's guitar.
I have been surprised you put the album in such high regard, obviously you are not a negative person anyway but yeah, surprised at your impression.
You know just because I'm not a fan of HD doesn’t mean I'm not a fan
I know, Riffie
Lots of good stuff from Keith in the left channel on Get Close and Live By The Sword, not to mention his beautiful licks (electric guitar) on Dreamy Skies. Even in the ending on Bite My Head Off (left channel) he lets it rip. In the verses on Mess It Up, there is a classic Keith riff fest, albeit in standard tuning.
I don't have to mention Driving Me Too Hard and Rolling Stone Blues, both glorious, imo. Same with the (very highlighted) Tumbling Dice-esque licks on Angry.
Well, I guess different strokes for different folks makes a better world – also a better Stones world
You can't counter ideology with facts, Dandy. Riffie is not a Stones fan - that would include all members and, of course, also Mick - he is first and foremost a Keith fan. Nothing wrong with that per se, but if it involves constant downplaying of other band members and childish conspiracy theories, you're obviously dealing with a weirdo here who turns every attempt at serious discussion into a sheer waste of time.
Sorry retired_dog, but you've overstepped here and I must strenuously disagree with you.
I think you must mean an "utter", and not a "sheer".
Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by:
retired_dog
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Date: May 27, 2025 05:00
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My VL:
Love Is Strong
You Got Me Rocking
Sparks Will Fly
The Worst
New Faces
Moon Is Up
Brand New Car
Out Of Tears
Baby Break It Down
Mean Disposition
Regarding HD, it's hard to fathom that people don't hear the Keith influence on songs like Get Close, Whole Wide World, Dreamy SKies, Mess It Up, Live By The Sword, Driving Me Too Hard, Tell Me Straight and, of course, Rolling Stone Blues.
How can HD be a «Mick solo album» with those songs and that guitar? Come on!
I get that the production is slick, albeit only in some places. Nobody would say that Dreamy Skies, Live By The Sword or Rolling Stone Blues is slick or modern, right?
Hi DP hope you're good, I've been reading your consistent thoughts on HD since it's release and i have to say I'm not hearing the same Stones album you are haha.
With all due respect don't hear Keith's distinctive guitar touches we are accustomed to from him, if it's there its buried or Watt's has done a lacklustre impression of Keith's guitar.
I have been surprised you put the album in such high regard, obviously you are not a negative person anyway but yeah, surprised at your impression.
You know just because I'm not a fan of HD doesn’t mean I'm not a fan
I know, Riffie
Lots of good stuff from Keith in the left channel on Get Close and Live By The Sword, not to mention his beautiful licks (electric guitar) on Dreamy Skies. Even in the ending on Bite My Head Off (left channel) he lets it rip. In the verses on Mess It Up, there is a classic Keith riff fest, albeit in standard tuning.
I don't have to mention Driving Me Too Hard and Rolling Stone Blues, both glorious, imo. Same with the (very highlighted) Tumbling Dice-esque licks on Angry.
Well, I guess different strokes for different folks makes a better world – also a better Stones world
You can't counter ideology with facts, Dandy. Riffie is not a Stones fan - that would include all members and, of course, also Mick - he is first and foremost a Keith fan. Nothing wrong with that per se, but if it involves constant downplaying of other band members and childish conspiracy theories, you're obviously dealing with a weirdo here who turns every attempt at serious discussion into a sheer waste of time.
Sorry retired_dog, but you've overstepped here and I must strenuously disagree with you.
I think you must mean an "utter", and not a "sheer".
Treacle, yes, after thinking about it (twice!) and thoroughly considering and carefully weighing all pros and cons I must admit that "utter" is more appropriate in this (sad) case.
Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by:
LeonidP
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Date: May 27, 2025 06:40
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the people that dislike it are entitled to there opinions and to being able to articulate it without them being told there lesser fans because of it
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That misses the point completely. Many have expressed that the album is not their cup of tea. But a couple, one DB in particular, takes it as a personal afront that people enjoy it, and has posted probably well over 100 times in the thread how much it sucks ... as if he's either trying to convince others, or at least ruin the experience for them.
It's happened to me also, i really loved half the tracks on Dirty Work, thought Mick's efforts and the guitars were great, came to iorr and people like GasLightStreet destroyed the album, way over the top compared to anything I've ever said.
Works both ways i guess if you feel passionate enough about music.
Well I won't get into that one further after this response, as I had my say on that many times ... but you have that one reversed ... DW is definitely their worst album, going by feedback on here (and other sites) ... and there have been a couple posters doing the same as you, HMS in particular -- who thought that if he posted enough about how great it was, he would change people's opinion of the album ... so he turned ever thread into a DW discussion:
"Tumbling Dice is great, but it's not as good as 1/2 of DW."
"Exile is an album of throwawys, not like DW."
... you get the idea. So GL, myself, and a couple others, were responding to that person's constant egging.
... funny if you think that's what it's about. Again, many expressed dislike for Hackney, nobody cared or gave them grief about it ... it turned into that after you kept posting, multiple times on every page, or so it seemed, about how bad it was -- basically trolling. But whatever, have at it.Quote
If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.
btw, I am still not clear, do you like Hackney?
Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
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Date: May 27, 2025 08:50
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the people that dislike it are entitled to there opinions and to being able to articulate it without them being told there lesser fans because of it
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That misses the point completely. Many have expressed that the album is not their cup of tea. But a couple, one DB in particular, takes it as a personal afront that people enjoy it, and has posted probably well over 100 times in the thread how much it sucks ... as if he's either trying to convince others, or at least ruin the experience for them.
It's happened to me also, i really loved half the tracks on Dirty Work, thought Mick's efforts and the guitars were great, came to iorr and people like GasLightStreet destroyed the album, way over the top compared to anything I've ever said.
Works both ways i guess if you feel passionate enough about music.
Well I won't get into that one further after this response, as I had my say on that many times ... but you have that one reversed ... DW is definitely their worst album, going by feedback on here (and other sites) ... and there have been a couple posters doing the same as you, HMS in particular -- who thought that if he posted enough about how great it was, he would change people's opinion of the album ... so he turned ever thread into a DW discussion:
"Tumbling Dice is great, but it's not as good as 1/2 of DW."
"Exile is an album of throwawys, not like DW."
... you get the idea. So GL, myself, and a couple others, were responding to that person's constant egging.... funny if you think that's what it's about. Again, many expressed dislike for Hackney, nobody cared or gave them grief about it ... it turned into that after you kept posting, multiple times on every page, or so it seemed, about how bad it was -- basically trolling. But whatever, have at it.Quote
If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.
btw, I am still not clear, do you like Hackney?
Thanks for explaining the HMS situation the way you saw it, i happened to agree with him, he wasn't a troll, he was just passionate about some of the gems on Dirty Work.
He stood up to all the abuse he got for holding on to his views, i respected that. he and gaslight going at it was funny at times.
I think he stopped posting when the insults became relentless, like i get now, weirdo/troll/conspiracy theories, all because people don't like my opinion.
Can you understand you are telling me i shouldn't like Dirty Work because too many people think it's rubbish.
Can you understand you are doing what you are accusing me of doing, try to understand it's subjective, i Love Sleep Tonight/ One Hit To The Body, tittle track Dirty Work etc.
I don't make personal insults at people because i disagree with them, i play by the rules BV sets.
What do i think of HD?
As I've said, Micks too high in the mix, many tracks sound like album filler, i don't like the production, many tracks remind me of Micks solo albums, would have loved more input from Keith. Hopefully next time.
I just want to post and put out my thoughts without personal insults.
I welcome people to disagree with me and explain why they do about all things Rolling Stones, my opinion has changed over the years concerning the Stones members past and present, at the end of the day we are just seeking the truth behind the mystery and myths, what's behind the veil, from songwriting to playing, it's fascinating, at least it is to me, that we all love and hate to extreme all aspects about the Stones, until iorr i assumed people loved the things i do about them, as it turns out, absolutely not
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Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by:
PaintMonkeyManBlack
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Date: May 27, 2025 09:43
everytime i see this topic i want to put on the album. Never had that with A Bigger Bang (after week 1).
Album is just great. Love it.
Album is just great. Love it.
Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by:
Doxa
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Date: May 27, 2025 11:27
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I welcome people to disagree with me and explain why they do about all things Rolling Stones, my opinion has changed over the years concerning the Stones members past and present, at the end of the day we are just seeking the truth behind the mystery and myths, what's behind the veil, from songwriting to playing, it's fascinating, at least it is to me, that we all love and hate to extreme all aspects about the Stones, until iorr i assumed people loved the things i do about them, as it turns out, absolutely not
You really thought that all the people are Stones fans because they adore Richards and loathe Jagger? And their idea to contribute to IORR is to come up with any kind of things to put down Jagger? For the latter anything seems to do - from behind bad gossiping, double talk, passive aggression to the craziest conspiracy theories. That of not liking the man's doings is not enough - it seems to be that it is your mission to shout out and prove that the man and his music sucks and is bad all the way.
So sweet what you write there - what a poor little victim you are - and probably you might behave somehow well for a day or two, but what irritates people - at least me - that soon you will just sound again like a bitter man whose wife has had an affair with Jagger (or is the wife actually Richards?).
Let's make this clear: this is nothing to do with liking something or not - a matter of opinion - since those come and go, everybody has several, and those are equal and everything. So do not run away behind that card. This site welcomes and tolerates any kind of opinions. It is your anti-Jagger campaign that - this might surprise you - a site devoted to the Rolling Stones by their fans is not that into. It is really dark and negative - you really talk bad about him. You probably do not have an idea how awful that sounds to the ears of many people who wouldn't be here in this site in the first place without that man. There probably are sites in the world people would love to hear more negative stuff like that - you know, to talk bad about people and wish them worse .
IS THIS REALLY SO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND?
Yeah, as a Rolling Stones fan I really don't like visiting a site to read stuff like that. Not me or any Stones fan deserves that. It is sick.
- Doxa
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Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by:
Doxa
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Date: May 27, 2025 12:26
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i listen to hackney all the way through about twice a month and listen to a select few songs every now and then too and like the album
but i still don't get all the praise for angry and ssoh and personally find them to be the two weakest tracks on the album
to me i still hold with my initial view of angry (once the sudden jolt of excitment wore off) that it sounds like don't stop pt.2 with better lyrics and bass playing
ssoh just never has really clicked with me it should in theory be tailor made for my tastes and is not a bad song by any means and is well played with good lyrics but still somethings off with it
overall i think hackney is a good album but not much better or worse then any other album from 1989 onward just different
i'm just very happy to have it and it will always hold a special place in my heart because it was the first original album released by them after i became a fan and i waited for it since i was 16
but i have a hypothetical question for the folks who believe this album to be there best since the 1980's
in my opinion (and not a novel new or unique one) a big strength of hackney's is it was made in kinda the post cd world and they didn't need to pad it out with enough filler to fill a cd like voodoo, bayblon and bang
it's pretty short and sweet it fits easily on one record and flows well and consistently between one song and the next
if voodoo, babylon and bang were trimmed of the filler and left with the best tracks (and related b-sides) and then further edited down to under 50 minutes or maybe 45 minutes and the track order was rearranged so that the albums flow better
how would they stack up against hackney diamonds?
to me we end up with a tie between bang and hackney and voodoo and babylon being better then hackney with babylon coming out on top of the four
Haha... I don't see resemblance between "Angry" and "Don't Stop" at all. Not in quality nor in form. True there are some cliche-like elements in both of them - both embody trademark Stones with no shame - but to me "Angry" is an inspired, well-written, actually catchy tune, with a good riff plus arranged wonderfully. Instead "Don't Stop" sounds more like a casual half-baked demo, with no intention even to finish it properly - it just sounds cozy enough.
But to your question about the length of the albums. Yeah, we have been here in IORR many times discussed about shortening the CD era albums - but usually people will come with different lists of songs - they differ which tunes are the good ones and which the bad ones. My take has usually been that editing - no matter which songs to leave out and re-arranging the rest - would not make those albums that better. Slightly more easy to digest for sure (like with any damn way too long shapeless CD era album), but I don't see that any masterpieces were destroyed due to the lazy, non-critical song selection policy at the time.
My point is more like if instead of quantity they had emphasized quality in that case no matter what tunes had picked up, they would have needed then put more effort to those chosen ones. I think VOODOO LOUNGE, BRIDGES TO BABYLON and A BIGGER BANG sound all more or less half-baked and lazy efforts - there were many good song ideas, even finished songs, but they just somehow didn't have the energy, motivation or drive to really bring those ideas into final, killer form - something they excelled in the past. Even the best individual songs - I think here especially certain BRIDGES BABYLON cuts´- were missing something. Some kind of killer instinct. And I think that was something I think they to an extent rediscovered in HACKNEY DIAMONDS. They worked harder to make those songs sound better both alone and next to each other.
This sort of judgement or vision was lacking in their previous albums. I think this is something Mick has talked about they wanted to avoid with HACKNEY DIAMONDS. The band just did sessions, picked up some pieces, and that's it - the albums were nothing but collections of random songs from random sessions. And the CD form didn't ask more than that: it is the quantity over quality. But some 'point' was missing. And this especially seemed something they were not content with any longer.
So my answer to your question is: if we now pick up our favorite 10 to 12 songs from those three albums and make nice vinyl album versions of them, none of them would be equal to HACKNEY DIAMONDS. But if they had worked harder for those chosen ones then maybe yeah.
- Doxa
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Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: May 27, 2025 13:06
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Were they all written by him? Didn’t Jagger contribute? And as for Taylor, he helped write Sway and Moonlight Mile.Not comparing Taylor to Keith.Its just that he was the dominant musical force in the band most of the time.Dont hear it on this album
You're saying that like it's a fact. Do you know something I don't?
From what I know Taylor claimed that Mick wrote Sway («I added the guitar solo, but it's Mick's song»). Regarding Moonlight Mile, Taylor claimed he wrote the section with the strings. However, Keith also claimed he wrote the riff that section was based on. Mick said Paul Buckmaster wrote it.
So I suspect that Taylor helped recording (and possibly arranging) those songs, not writing them.
Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by:
Big Al
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Date: May 27, 2025 13:26
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Taylor1
Were they all written by him? Didn’t Jagger contribute? And as for Taylor, he helped write Sway and Moonlight Mile.Not comparing Taylor to Keith.Its just that he was the dominant musical force in the band most of the time.Dont hear it on this album
You're saying that like it's a fact. Do you know something I don't?
From what I know Taylor claimed that Mick wrote Sway («I added the guitar solo, but it's Mick's song»). Regarding Moonlight Mile, Taylor claimed he wrote the section with the strings. However, Keith also claimed he wrote the riff that section was based on. Mick said Paul Buckmaster wrote it.
So I suspect that Taylor helped recording (and possibly arranging) those songs, not writing them.
That's what I think, too. It's the same concerning Brian Jones: he'd colour an already created melody, yet not actually write them. Think Ruby Tuesday as the prime example.
Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by:
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Date: May 27, 2025 15:25
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I welcome people to disagree with me and explain why they do about all things Rolling Stones, my opinion has changed over the years concerning the Stones members past and present, at the end of the day we are just seeking the truth behind the mystery and myths, what's behind the veil, from songwriting to playing, it's fascinating, at least it is to me, that we all love and hate to extreme all aspects about the Stones, until iorr i assumed people loved the things i do about them, as it turns out, absolutely not
You really thought that all the people are Stones fans because they adore Richards and loathe Jagger? And their idea to contribute to IORR is to come up with any kind of things to put down Jagger? For the latter anything seems to do - from behind bad gossiping, double talk, passive aggression to the craziest conspiracy theories. That of not liking the man's doings is not enough - it seems to be that it is your mission to shout out and prove that the man and his music sucks and is bad all the way.
So sweet what you write there - what a poor little victim you are - and probably you might behave somehow well for a day or two, but what irritates people - at least me - that soon you will just sound again like a bitter man whose wife has had an affair with Jagger (or is the wife actually Richards?).
Let's make this clear: this is nothing to do with liking something or not - a matter of opinion - since those come and go, everybody has several, and those are equal and everything. So do not run away behind that card. This site welcomes and tolerates any kind of opinions. It is your anti-Jagger campaign that - this might surprise you - a site devoted to the Rolling Stones by their fans is not that into. It is really dark and negative - you really talk bad about him. You probably do not have an idea how awful that sounds to the ears of many people who wouldn't be here in this site in the first place without that man. There probably are sites in the world people would love to hear more negative stuff like that - you know, to talk bad about people and wish them worse .
IS THIS REALLY SO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND?
Yeah, as a Rolling Stones fan I really don't like visiting a site to read stuff like that. Not me or any Stones fan deserves that. It is sick.
- Doxa
I don't have to explain myself to you or anyone, i post very positive things about Mick but you obviously choose to ignore them because it doesn't go along with your fixed opinion of me, I'm in awe of Mick, the things he has done throughout my life that have enthralled me.
Yes I'm critical because Mick has incredible potential and perhaps doesn’t believe his own genius when you looks towards modern trends for inspiration, Mick is the inspiration. .
You keep trying to start a campaign against me, i don't see your for and against BS, I'm plenty critical of Keith recently, i think you keep having a cheap shot at getting me banned by presenting everything i say as a love Keith hate Mick camp, i think we have all moved on from there.
It's best we stay out each others way, I've suggested this before, same with Treacle.
Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: May 27, 2025 15:35
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peoplewitheyes
I love that Mick sings Driving Me Too Hard, and I love it even more when Keith comes in on those harmonies...'Look what you've done to me...'.
It makes a grown man cry!
Agreed. To me, a song this good, which isn't even in the top 5 for me on the album, says how they knocked it out of the park with HD.
The fact that they had, according to Mick, either 2/3rds or 3/4s of the "next album" already done when they released HD, and are now spending months in the studio is a good sign they are again focusing their efforts in getting it right, again.
No reason to do a new album for more money...there isn't enough in it to compete with what they make on one show. This is for their muse, their legacy and the fans.
Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by:
dedospegajosos
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Date: May 27, 2025 15:53
sounds more like a casual half-baked demo, with no intention even to finish it properly - it just sounds cozy enough.
This sounds like an almost perfect description of HD for me
This sounds like an almost perfect description of HD for me
Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: May 27, 2025 16:00
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dedospegajosos
sounds more like a casual half-baked demo, with no intention even to finish it properly - it just sounds cozy enough.
This sounds like an almost perfect description of HD for me
ha ha
I can get your not liking the album, or it's production. But as easy a line as that is to burn HD with, I don't think "casual half-baked demo" is accurate.
They tried hard, you can see that. I think it's totally alright for you to opine they failed but "casual half-baked demo" is a long way off from what HD is.
Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by:
dedospegajosos
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Date: May 27, 2025 16:02
With the spirit of keeping things more positive, I suggest that all the people here who were dissapointed with HD,say something positive about the album..
This is honest, no sarcasm in any way...
I´ll start: Micks vocals are fantastic!
This is honest, no sarcasm in any way...
I´ll start: Micks vocals are fantastic!
Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: May 27, 2025 16:05
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dedospegajosos
sounds more like a casual half-baked demo, with no intention even to finish it properly - it just sounds cozy enough.
This sounds like an almost perfect description of HD for me
It can't be both «half-baked» and too polished. Make up your mind
Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: May 27, 2025 16:07
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dedospegajosos
With the spirit of keeping things more positive, I suggest that all the people here who were dissapointed with HD,say something positive about the album..
This is honest, no sarcasm in any way...
I´ll start: Micks vocals are fantastic!
I don't believe you but I'll take the bait.
I like the songwriting, the quality of the material and the way they fit so many styles together so effectively, like they always do in their best work.
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