Personally, this HD album is not my cup of coffee. Since the very first listen. Maybe i am too old. Today i have listen main offender. That guitars sound that i cannot find in HD. I dont like this producer, i bet he plays a high percenrage of Keith guitar parts. Even being a good guitar player, the sound and vibe of keiths guitar is completely missed. A bad copy.
Even the good song sweet sounds of heaven could have been much better with guitar arpeggios ala i,ve got the blues

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You'd have admiration for my dedication to medication. Its a celebration...
Wait where'd they go...

Where the boys all go!

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forgive my ignorance but what is that and where do i find one?

1981 record store promo poster - [www.eBay.com] . Repro: [www.eBay.es] .

I think there are some excellent songs like Whole Wide World and Sweet Sounds of Heaven.But it seems like it’s the Stones’ album with the least amount of contributions both writing and playing by KeithIts almost like a Jagger solo album with Keith playing on it .

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I think there are some excellent songs like Whole Wide World and Sweet Sounds of Heaven.But it seems like it’s the Stones’ album with the least amount of contributions both writing and playing by KeithIts almost like a Jagger solo album with Keith playing on it .

Funny, when you said that I thought of, "what would it compare to Jagger's best solo work"? Which to me is Wandering Spirit, which I think is hugely underrated.

It's a close call between the two actually. I'd hold Wandering Spirit up to Tattoo You/Undercover...so it may even be a draw between HD and WS.

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I can understand if you don't like the album, even with zeal, though I question then if you're actually a Rolling Stones fan, given a few 80 year old's came up with something this excellent.

What I don't understand is the vitriol...for the love of god just settle the hell down, it's not even a "new" release anymore, you've had time to adjust.

Play nice and if you're supposed to be on medication and aren't taking it (hey, we're all getting to that age...or will be in due course), then for the love of god (or whomever you kowtow to), GET ON IT!

Why can’t we all just get along, eh? LOL Typical west coast poser - pathologically dedicated to passing himself off as a fair-minded, harmony-seeking hipster while never once realizing that condescending and passive-aggressive posts like this just polarize us further.

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I can understand if you don't like the album, even with zeal, though I question then if you're actually a Rolling Stones fan, given a few 80 year old's came up with something this excellent.

What I don't understand is the vitriol...for the love of god just settle the hell down, it's not even a "new" release anymore, you've had time to adjust.

Play nice and if you're supposed to be on medication and aren't taking it (hey, we're all getting to that age...or will be in due course), then for the love of god (or whomever you kowtow to), GET ON IT!

Why can’t we all just get along, eh? LOL Typical west coast poser - pathologically dedicated to passing himself off as a fair-minded, harmony-seeking hipster while never once realizing that condescending and passive-aggressive posts like this just polarize us further.

Your projection is showing.

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Steel wheels, Kris Kimsey was involved

He is not involved with Krispy Kremes.

At least spell his name correctly.

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Personally, this HD album is not my cup of coffee. Since the very first listen. Maybe i am too old. Today i have listen main offender. That guitars sound that i cannot find in HD. I dont like this producer, i bet he plays a high percenrage of Keith guitar parts. Even being a good guitar player, the sound and vibe of keiths guitar is completely missed. A bad copy.
Even the good song sweet sounds of heaven could have been much better with guitar arpeggios ala i,ve got the blues

You're not too old, you're too picky.

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forgive my ignorance but what is that and where do i find one?

1981 record store promo poster - [www.eBay.com] . Repro: [www.eBay.es] .

thank you

gonna get a reproduction

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I can understand if you don't like the album, even with zeal, though I question then if you're actually a Rolling Stones fan, given a few 80 year old's came up with something this excellent.

What I don't understand is the vitriol...for the love of god just settle the hell down, it's not even a "new" release anymore, you've had time to adjust.

Play nice and if you're supposed to be on medication and aren't taking it (hey, we're all getting to that age...or will be in due course), then for the love of god (or whomever you kowtow to), GET ON IT!

Why can’t we all just get along, eh? LOL Typical west coast poser - pathologically dedicated to passing himself off as a fair-minded, harmony-seeking hipster while never once realizing that condescending and passive-aggressive posts like this just polarize us further.

Your projection is showing.

If you're referring to the bulge in my pants I'm afraid there's nothing I can do about that. Just avert your eyes if it intimidates you.

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I can understand if you don't like the album, even with zeal, though I question then if you're actually a Rolling Stones fan, given a few 80 year old's came up with something this excellent.

What I don't understand is the vitriol...for the love of god just settle the hell down, it's not even a "new" release anymore, you've had time to adjust.

Play nice and if you're supposed to be on medication and aren't taking it (hey, we're all getting to that age...or will be in due course), then for the love of god (or whomever you kowtow to), GET ON IT!

Why can’t we all just get along, eh? LOL Typical west coast poser - pathologically dedicated to passing himself off as a fair-minded, harmony-seeking hipster while never once realizing that condescending and passive-aggressive posts like this just polarize us further.

I am passive-aggressive and condescending, guilty as charged, you absolutely nailed it. But West Coast poseur. Now you've taken it a bit too far!

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I can understand if you don't like the album, even with zeal, though I question then if you're actually a Rolling Stones fan, given a few 80 year old's came up with something this excellent.

What I don't understand is the vitriol...for the love of god just settle the hell down, it's not even a "new" release anymore, you've had time to adjust.

Play nice and if you're supposed to be on medication and aren't taking it (hey, we're all getting to that age...or will be in due course), then for the love of god (or whomever you kowtow to), GET ON IT!

Why can’t we all just get along, eh? LOL Typical west coast poser - pathologically dedicated to passing himself off as a fair-minded, harmony-seeking hipster while never once realizing that condescending and passive-aggressive posts like this just polarize us further.

Your projection is showing.

If you're referring to the bulge in my pants I'm afraid there's nothing I can do about that. Just avert your eyes if it intimidates you.

You must mean at the back of your pants. Time for your change!

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Personally, this HD album is not my cup of coffee. Since the very first listen. Maybe i am too old. Today i have listen main offender. That guitars sound that i cannot find in HD. I dont like this producer, i bet he plays a high percenrage of Keith guitar parts. Even being a good guitar player, the sound and vibe of keiths guitar is completely missed. A bad copy.
Even the good song sweet sounds of heaven could have been much better with guitar arpeggios ala i,ve got the blues

I don't dispute what you're saying though I may disagree with what I perceive is the outcome, and maybe the nuance there once was isn't as obvious though I think it's still there. But can this simply come down to a glass half empty vs. half full perception? My parents are in their 80s and I don't expect them to come out with an album, or a concert. They don't do anything. They don't even go out to concerts, or even dinner.

The fact that we have a high functioning band (and yes, for how much longer is the question), I think should be celebrated. They still wow audiences and though they don't have to, they want to put out new material.

That is freaking awesome all on it's own. The fact that a good percentage of people love the album is amazing. Sure it may not be Sticky Fingers, but I also recall my dad being more productive in his 20s and 30s too.

What these guys have been able to achieve is simply monumental, constantly at or near the top of the concert sales charts, for this long. Unmatched, maybe never to be matched.

It's too bad you're not able to enjoy the new material, but at least they've left you 60 some years of other material to enjoy, which I also do.

But I can hardly wait for the new album.



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Finally a lively - or at least not that dead - thread here at IORR! Of course none of us has anything new to say like we haven't had for years but that's alright. Cool that BV moved the one-way-toilet thread here, since people only talked about HD there.

This all - the luxury of whining about the latest doings of the band and do it here - will be soon over. Enjoy while it lasts!

- Doxa



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Steel wheels, Kris Kimsey was involved

That might explain why Mick's voice doesn’t irritate on SW, perhaps Chris knew how to get the best out of Mick vocally, it's so much more enjoyable when Mick sings with the band meshed within the music rather than on top of the music / over it.

It's hard to pinpoint for me personally, when you think of Tattoo You on a track like Tops, Micks vocal on that is glorious, the expression, the beautiful sound he made with his voice back then, i just can't understand what he's going for on the new album, it's off putting.

When you go back to arguably the Stones greatest albums, early 70s, you can hardly make the words out when Mick sang, his voice was like another instrument entwined into the depth of the emotion of the whole listening experience.

Mick didn't have this need to be noticed over the songs, he wanted to be part of the overall sound, less was more, those tracks were what we now think of as genius, with Mick meshed into those incredible sounds.

If only someone could suggest on the next studio album to calm down a bit, hey Mick less is more, you are more.



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Finally something novel - what is a "West Coast Poser"?

- Doxa

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Finally something novel - what is a "West Coast Poser"?

- Doxa

Funny you should ask.

Do you think it goes unnoticed you and your Treacle friend are trolling the conversation when people discussing don't agree with you.

Just let posters have their say, enough with the narcissistic behaviour, just let it go, stop suggesting what should be said and how we should think, so we are old fashioned, not up to date, miserable old men, whatever, it's our band too.

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Finally something novel - what is a "West Coast Poser"?

- Doxa

Funny you should ask.

Do you think it goes unnoticed you and your Treacle friend are trolling the conversation when people discussing don't agree with you.

Just let posters have their say, enough with the narcissistic behaviour, just let it go, stop suggesting what should be said and how we should think, so we are old fashioned, not up to date, miserable old men, whatever, it's our band too.

Oh dear. My heart is bleeding. You only forget to mention about freedom of speech, etc.

So, big man, you are the spokesman of "we". Now who else belongs to that group lead by you and so harshly trolled by big bad Treacle and myself?

- Doxa

Didn't realise it was a numbers game, well done then it's all yours.

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Didn't realise it was a numbers game, well done then it's all yours.

What is a "numbers game"? More novel things for me. This is educational.

- Doxa



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Well this has veered of topic, and in the wrong key.
I played Hackney Diamonds to death in its first year of release, I think I hadn't had as much fun taking in a new Stones record with repeated playings since Tattoo You and when I put it on these days, it still excites me - it's obviously Keith deep in there on Get Close, there's a nice London feel to Depending on You and Whole Wide World, Live by the Sword is a great little Stones classic with Bill and Charlie and a fabulous fade out - and Keith's song is a beaut after the Jagger-Richards written in the studio Driving me too Hard, which I still love to listen to. Sweet SOunds IS a bit bombastic but I still can get caught up in it. The one I skip is Mess It UP.
I don't get assertations it's Mick with a backing band, but each to their own. You have to expend a lot of energy to really believe that one. For 21st century Stones, the stages aside, it's Bridges, Blue & Lonesome, and Hackney.
And then maybe the one more to come that the band is allegedly working on in London. Hopefully it's rich pickings ....

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Didn't realise it was a numbers game, well done then it's all yours.

What is a "numbers game"? More novel things for me. This is educational.

- Doxa

A numbers game.

The use or manipulation of statistics or figures, especially in support of an argument.

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Didn't realise it was a numbers game, well done then it's all yours.

What is a "numbers game"? More novel things for me. This is educational.

- Doxa

A numbers game.

The use or manipulation of statistics or figures, especially in support of an argument.

Oh, I see. Like someone once argued for the superiority of CROSSEYED HEART by pointing out that there are more pages here in IORR for it than for HACKNEY DIAMONDS. Yeah, people do funny things to back up an argument.

- Doxa

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Didn't realise it was a numbers game, well done then it's all yours.

What is a "numbers game"? More novel things for me. This is educational.

- Doxa

A numbers game.

The use or manipulation of statistics or figures, especially in support of an argument.

Oh, I see. Like someone once argued for the superiority of CROSSEYED HEART by pointing out that there are more pages here in IORR for it than for HACKNEY DIAMONDS. Yeah, people do funny things to back up an argument.

- Doxa

Okay Inspector Columbo, now that you mention it, it's very telling that a solo artists album generated twice as many pages of mostly positive conversations.

Doesn't mean everyone had to like it, i understand Keith's stuff isn't for everyone and those voices were heard without people resorting to insults.

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Well this has veered of topic, and in the wrong key.
I played Hackney Diamonds to death in its first year of release, I think I hadn't had as much fun taking in a new Stones record with repeated playings since Tattoo You and when I put it on these days, it still excites me - it's obviously Keith deep in there on Get Close, there's a nice London feel to Depending on You and Whole Wide World, Live by the Sword is a great little Stones classic with Bill and Charlie and a fabulous fade out - and Keith's song is a beaut after the Jagger-Richards written in the studio Driving me too Hard, which I still love to listen to. Sweet SOunds IS a bit bombastic but I still can get caught up in it. The one I skip is Mess It UP.
I don't get assertations it's Mick with a backing band, but each to their own. You have to expend a lot of energy to really believe that one. For 21st century Stones, the stages aside, it's Bridges, Blue & Lonesome, and Hackney.
And then maybe the one more to come that the band is allegedly working on in London. Hopefully it's rich pickings ....

One doesn't want to get too optimistic but I can't help but feel that this whole shambolic gravy train will end on a one-two punch and we'll get another great album.

Given the songs have been mostly recorded at the same time, and that the band had their appetite whet with HD, I think they've found their muse again, at least as much as one could hope for at this time in their lives.

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Didn't realise it was a numbers game, well done then it's all yours.

What is a "numbers game"? More novel things for me. This is educational.

- Doxa

A numbers game.

The use or manipulation of statistics or figures, especially in support of an argument.

Oh, I see. Like someone once argued for the superiority of CROSSEYED HEART by pointing out that there are more pages here in IORR for it than for HACKNEY DIAMONDS. Yeah, people do funny things to back up an argument.

- Doxa

Okay Inspector Columbo, now that you mention it, it's very telling that a solo artists album generated twice as many pages of mostly positive conversations.

Doesn't mean everyone had to like it, i understand Keith's stuff isn't for everyone and those voices were heard without people resorting to insults.

Okay, when the numbers suit for you then it's alright... (Probably I might explain you what 'circular argument' means, but I guess there is no point).

But now - let's take your words at face value: tell me what "it's very telling" actually means? What those numbers actually tell? What do you want to say with that?

My guess: what you actually want to claim is that the Stones fans largely are disappointed with HACKNEY DIAMONDS. That it is not just you and a couple of others here (as we can see), but a larger phenomenon. That is what you want to claim. But that is nothing but your wishful thinking because you don't like the album (and Mick Jagger has not made the Rolling Stones fandom miserable for most of the Stones fans. Sorry that he has made it a living hell for you).

(By the way, your recollection of CH thread is, let's put it mildly, a bit selective).

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I bought CH on CD and vinyl, which is what I normally do with a new release. I listened to about 3/4 of the CD and I just couldn't get through it, I found it lukewarm and frankly, quite dull.

I can't believe that was almost 10 years ago. I will try to go back to it for another listen with my ears a decade older and a little more hackneyed.

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Didn't realise it was a numbers game, well done then it's all yours.

What is a "numbers game"? More novel things for me. This is educational.

- Doxa

A numbers game.

The use or manipulation of statistics or figures, especially in support of an argument.

Oh, I see. Like someone once argued for the superiority of CROSSEYED HEART by pointing out that there are more pages here in IORR for it than for HACKNEY DIAMONDS. Yeah, people do funny things to back up an argument.

- Doxa

Okay Inspector Columbo, now that you mention it, it's very telling that a solo artists album generated twice as many pages of mostly positive conversations.

Doesn't mean everyone had to like it, i understand Keith's stuff isn't for everyone and those voices were heard without people resorting to insults.

Okay, when the numbers suit for you then it's alright... (Probably I might explain you what 'circular argument' means, but I guess there is no point).

But now - let's take your words at face value: tell me what "it's very telling" actually means? What those numbers actually tell? What do you want to say with that?

My guess: what you actually want to claim is that the Stones fans largely are disappointed with HACKNEY DIAMONDS. That it is not just you and a couple of others here (as we can see), but a larger phenomenon. That is what you want to claim. But that is nothing but your wishful thinking because you don't like the album (and Mick Jagger has not made the Rolling Stones fandom miserable for most of the Stones fans. Sorry that he has made it a living hell for you).

(By the way, your recollection of CH thread is, let's put it mildly, a bit selective).

- Doxa

I don't have the time or inclination for this, you completely choose to miss the point, it's OK to love or hate a particular album and comment accordingly, what's not cool is throwing baseless personal insults and ganging up on people because you don't want to hear their opinions and conversations.