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Re: "Modern music is a one-way toilet"
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: May 23, 2025 15:46

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RockingLonestar

An album recorded in 2023 sounds like it was recorded in 2023 and not in the 60-ies or 70-ies. OMG, how could that happen?

Well, quite. However, it's the 'kind' of modern production that Hackney Diamonds has received. If recorded by Don Was, it may have sounded more like A Bigger Bang; which, for me, would be preferable. Instead, they picked a trendy, pop-producer, who's, of-late garnered a reputation for attempting to rejuvenate ageing rock-stars: Ozzy; Iggy Pop, etc. Unfortunately, his 'taste' isn't for everyone.



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Re: "Modern music is a one-way toilet"
Posted by: keefriffhards ()
Date: May 23, 2025 15:51

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Big Al
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RockingLonestar

An album recorded in 2023 sounds like it was recorded in 2023 and not in the 60-ies or 70-ies. OMG, how could that happen?

Well, quite. However, it's the 'kind' of modern production that Hackney Diamonds has received. If recorded by Don Was, it may have sounded more like A Bigger Bang; which, for me, would be preferable. Instead, they picked a trendy, pop-producer, who's, of-late garnered a reputation for attempting to rejuvenate ageing rock-stars: Ozzy; Iggy Pop, etc. Unfortunately, his 'taste' isn't for everyone.

Totally agree, also think he lent Mick a big hand on a few so called Mick tracks.

Re: "Modern music is a one-way toilet"
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: May 23, 2025 15:57

Okay, just another thread of 'let's whine all together' and tell how much this or that sucks. A group therapy for grumpy old men a'la IORR I guess.

- Doxa



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Re: "Modern music is a one-way toilet"
Posted by: keefriffhards ()
Date: May 23, 2025 16:00

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Doxa
Okay, just another thread of 'let's whine all together' and tell how much this or that sucks. A group therapy for grumpy old men a'la IORR I guess.

- Doxa

If you don't like iorr why don't you piss off and be happy elsewhere.



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Re: "Modern music is a one-way toilet"
Posted by: Kurt ()
Date: May 23, 2025 16:09


Re: "Modern music is a one-way toilet"
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: May 23, 2025 16:13

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Doxa
Okay, just another thread of 'let's whine all together' and tell how much this or that sucks. A group therapy for grumpy old men a'la IORR I guess.

- Doxa

If you don't like it why don't you piss off and be happy elsewhere.

grinning smiley Bullies like you wish that but no way...

- Doxa

Re: "Modern music is a one-way toilet"
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: May 23, 2025 16:19

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Stuck in the past Stones fans have extreme difficulty hearing or listening to anything new - going back to 1983's UNDERCOVER.

"Oh they're not... (enter excuses here) anymore".

HACKNEY DIAMONDS is a brilliant album.

So sorry for your loss.

I had no problem to listen to ANY other recent stones album, I became a Stones fan in 1995, Ilove every album up to ABB. B&L I found a little boring but still feels right. Brilliant?? Never underestimate the power of denial my friend. I was on denial too regarding Hackney...just...let it go..hope the next one is better though.

Denial's a river in Egypt. There's no denying it. Hackney is a borough of London. There's no denying that either.

Hackney Diamonds is a brilliant album and no river in Egypt is gonna tell me different.

Re: "Modern music is a one-way toilet"
Posted by: keefriffhards ()
Date: May 23, 2025 16:25

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Funny, cause the "band" that plays on most of the tracks on Hackneyed sounds so generic I'd be hard pressed to know its actually the Stones. Without Mick's vocals, there's nothing distinctively Stones about it, and I'd have welcomed experimenting with more modern music recording to see if it would make any better of an album.

I totally agree. And I thought I was the only one here who didn't like the album. A weak "Stones by Numbers" single, mostly boring songs, a conventional mainstream production, and one of the worst covers ever produced by anyone. It even tops Undercover. It's still a miracle to me how this could pass Jaggers quality controll. I maybe wrong (I am not a musician), but my first impression was that most of the guitars were played by Andrew Watt. For me, HD is a complete disappointment.
A word about Keith. I love him. I've been a fan for over 50 years. But his musical horizon ends with Otis, Chuck, Jerry Lee, Gregory Isaacs, Robert Johnson, and so on. He hasn't been open to new music since the 1970s. He doesn't have to be; he's Keith. But he shouldn't judge music he doesn't understand anything about. Just my opinion.

Without Mick's vocals i wouldn't have recognised Keith was playing on HD

Terrible production.

It passed Jaggers quality control because 80% of the album is down to Jagger/ Watt's.

My word on Keith, if this was his best effort towards a Stones album after 18 years and clearly keeping the good stuff for solo albums like Crosseyed Heart he needs to retire from the Stones, half hearted efforts are not good enough, i don't care how old you are, show up or move on.



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Re: "Modern music is a one-way toilet"
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: May 23, 2025 16:35

Me too!

STONES SUCK

ANGRY SUCKS

MICK SUCKS

KEITH SUCKS

RONNIE SUCKS

MUSIC SUCKS

LIFE SUCKS

INTERNET SUCKS

RIVERS IN EGYPT SUCK

To make sure: EVERYTHING SUCKS


Yeah! I feel much better now. Thank you, IORR!smileys with beer

- Doxa



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Re: "Modern music is a one-way toilet"
Posted by: Stoneage ()
Date: May 23, 2025 16:37

This will be a repeat of the HD thread. I remember three prolific posters on the defending side, some neutrals and some posters not liking it at all. Seems like positions have not changed...

Re: "Modern music is a one-way toilet"
Posted by: Kurt ()
Date: May 23, 2025 16:45

At least we can all agree that The Stones Sucked in the 70's...



"Modern IORR is a one-way toilet"
-Kurt



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Re: "Modern music is a one-way toilet"
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: May 23, 2025 16:54

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Kurt
At least we can all agree that The Stones Sucked in the 70's...



"Modern IORR is a one-way toilet"
-Kurt

Even sucking is not like it used to be... That SUCKS!

- Doxa



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Re: "Modern music is a one-way toilet"
Posted by: keefriffhards ()
Date: May 23, 2025 18:19

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Doxa
Okay, just another thread of 'let's whine all together' and tell how much this or that sucks. A group therapy for grumpy old men a'la IORR I guess.

- Doxa

If you don't like it why don't you piss off and be happy elsewhere.

grinning smiley Bullies like you wish that but no way...

- Doxa

No you are the bully, bullying this thread for instance because posters are not posting what you want to hear, you suck.

Re: "Modern music is a one-way toilet"
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: May 23, 2025 18:38

Well, we, each and every one of us, has surely sucked here on Tell Me at some point. We may disagree, of course, as to when the sucking took place.

Re: "Modern music is a one-way toilet"
Posted by: MadMax ()
Date: May 23, 2025 18:43

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Doxa
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Kurt
At least we can all agree that The Stones Sucked in the 70's...



"Modern IORR is a one-way toilet"
-Kurt

Even sucking is not like it used to be... That SUCKS!

- Doxa
Doxa, I must disagree, I started High School 26 years ago and I have to say that the sucking feels the same if not BETTER!

The older I've gotten the more I've gotten to appreciate blo.. sailing winking smiley



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Re: "Modern music is a one-way toilet"
Posted by: MadMax ()
Date: May 23, 2025 18:53

Hackney Diamonds is very much MOR stuff production wise. It doesn't have that typical DRY Stones sound ONLY our boys have mastered.
Steve Jordan said it best in the Dec 2023 issue of MOJO.


Personally I'd love Chris Kimsey or Don Was to come back.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-05-23 18:54 by MadMax.

Re: "Modern music is a one-way toilet"
Posted by: keefriffhards ()
Date: May 23, 2025 20:13

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MadMax
Hackney Diamonds is very much MOR stuff production wise. It doesn't have that typical DRY Stones sound ONLY our boys have mastered.
Steve Jordan said it best in the Dec 2023 issue of MOJO.


Personally I'd love Chris Kimsey or Don Was to come back.

You have to admire Steve's honesty, he also commented that he himself could have produced the album.

Re: "Modern music is a one-way toilet"
Posted by: MadMax ()
Date: May 23, 2025 20:30

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MadMax
Hackney Diamonds is very much MOR stuff production wise. It doesn't have that typical DRY Stones sound ONLY our boys have mastered.
Steve Jordan said it best in the Dec 2023 issue of MOJO.


Personally I'd love Chris Kimsey or Don Was to come back.

You have to admire Steve's honesty, he also commented that he himself could have produced the album.

Yeah I agree 100%. It was very refreshing. I mean, I ä, like you, prefer CH much more than HD. I think CH is a MASTERPIECE, just think about Steve's playing and those P-90's shining through on the last track. Sweet honey for the heart, soul and ears smileys with beer

Re: "Modern music is a one-way toilet"
Posted by: Swayed1967 ()
Date: May 23, 2025 20:44

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Stuck in the past Stones fans have extreme difficulty hearing or listening to anything new - going back to 1983's UNDERCOVER.

"Oh they're not... (enter excuses here) anymore".

HACKNEY DIAMONDS is a brilliant album.

So sorry for your loss.

Hackney Diamonds is not "anything new". Tattoo You sounds fresher and newer than Hackney Diamonds. Even DW, one of their worst albums ever, at least they stuck their neck out and tried to mess things up a bit. Badly, sure. But at least they tried. HD is an album full of well-played middle of the road polished meaningless rock songs without any edge or conviction.
Sure, it's very profesionally done, for which we have to thank Andrew Watt, I suppose. It's a deep-frozen pizza or a paella on the Ramblas of Barcelona. It will pass the health inspection but nothing more.
For a band themselves, every new song should be an adventure, they should have the feeling they're on to something, that one way or other they just gave a new turn on what they do and what they can do. HD is none of that. Give it 5 more years and nobody will listen to it anymore.

Brilliant post. I really wish that the people licking this album's ass could come up with something even half as good. I don't expect much from inarticulate morons like Gas but please stop with the cringey de-Nile jokes.

P.S. I just listened to Dreamy Skies (since people here seem to rate it), first time I've listened to anything from HD in at least a year. It's alright but it seems like they were wearing pajamas when they recorded it. Expensive pajamas.

Re: "Modern music is a one-way toilet"
Posted by: keefriffhards ()
Date: May 23, 2025 20:46

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MadMax
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MadMax
Hackney Diamonds is very much MOR stuff production wise. It doesn't have that typical DRY Stones sound ONLY our boys have mastered.
Steve Jordan said it best in the Dec 2023 issue of MOJO.


Personally I'd love Chris Kimsey or Don Was to come back.

You have to admire Steve's honesty, he also commented that he himself could have produced the album.

Yeah I agree 100%. It was very refreshing. I mean, I ä, like you, prefer CH much more than HD. I think CH is a MASTERPIECE, just think about Steve's playing and those P-90's shining through on the last track. Sweet honey for the heart, soul and ears smileys with beer

I like Dirty Work more than HD and I'm not being sarcastic.
I can understand why some Stones fans like HD, it's kind of what Jagger would want from an album, he was probably happy he sounded young on it and he's right up there high in the mix, but once you hear Mick sing a few tracks from HD live you realise he can't produce anything like the vocals needed for it to work or have the power and punch we expect from the Stones, basically none of the tracks worked live with the exception of Keith's track.

But that's supposed to be the most important aspect of a Stones album, that the tracks work live and grow throughout their tour's.
I don't think the Stones have made albums that work particularly well live for a very long time.

Re: "Modern music is a one-way toilet"
Posted by: MadMax ()
Date: May 23, 2025 20:57

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Hackney Diamonds is very much MOR stuff production wise. It doesn't have that typical DRY Stones sound ONLY our boys have mastered.
Steve Jordan said it best in the Dec 2023 issue of MOJO.


Personally I'd love Chris Kimsey or Don Was to come back.

You have to admire Steve's honesty, he also commented that he himself could have produced the album.

Yeah I agree 100%. It was very refreshing. I mean, I ä, like you, prefer CH much more than HD. I think CH is a MASTERPIECE, just think about Steve's playing and those P-90's shining through on the last track. Sweet honey for the heart, soul and ears smileys with beer

I like Dirty Work more than HD and I'm not being sarcastic.
I can understand why some Stones fans like HD, it's kind of what Jagger would want from an album, he was probably happy he sounded young on it and he's right up there high in the mix, but once you hear Mick sing a few tracks from HD live you realise he can't produce anything like the vocals needed for it to work or have the power and punch we expect from the Stones, basically none of the tracks worked live with the exception of Keith's track.

But that's supposed to be the most important aspect of a Stones album, that the tracks work live and grow throughout their tour's.
I don't think the Stones have made albums that work particularly well live for a very long time.

Yeah, I too prefer around 60% of DW compared to HD but still I'm grateful we're getting something and Angry, Mess It Up, Live By The Sword, Tell Me Straight and Rolling Stone Blues is ten outta ten IMHO. Another producer (Was or Kimsey)would've made the album another if not Exile or ER certainly Undercover or SW.



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Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: keefriffhards ()
Date: May 23, 2025 21:19

Why haven't they asked Chris Kimsey back since Tattoo You, it's insane, pay him what he wants, get him any way they legally can hehe.

Perhaps Mick fell out with him or something, Mick likes control winking smiley



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Re: "Modern music is a one-way toilet"
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: May 23, 2025 22:59

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Stuck in the past Stones fans have extreme difficulty hearing or listening to anything new - going back to 1983's UNDERCOVER.

"Oh they're not... (enter excuses here) anymore".

HACKNEY DIAMONDS is a brilliant album.

So sorry for your loss.

Hackney Diamonds is not "anything new". Tattoo You sounds fresher and newer than Hackney Diamonds. Even DW, one of their worst albums ever, at least they stuck their neck out and tried to mess things up a bit. Badly, sure. But at least they tried. HD is an album full of well-played middle of the road polished meaningless rock songs without any edge or conviction.
Sure, it's very profesionally done, for which we have to thank Andrew Watt, I suppose. It's a deep-frozen pizza or a paella on the Ramblas of Barcelona. It will pass the health inspection but nothing more.
For a band themselves, every new song should be an adventure, they should have the feeling they're on to something, that one way or other they just gave a new turn on what they do and what they can do. HD is none of that. Give it 5 more years and nobody will listen to it anymore.

Brilliant post. I really wish that the people licking this album's ass could come up with something even half as good. I don't expect much from inarticulate morons like Gas but please stop with the cringey de-Nile jokes.

P.S. I just listened to Dreamy Skies (since people here seem to rate it), first time I've listened to anything from HD in at least a year. It's alright but it seems like they were wearing pajamas when they recorded it. Expensive pajamas.

You really need to settle down my friend.

Re: "Modern music is a one-way toilet"
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: May 23, 2025 23:00

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Doxa
Okay, just another thread of 'let's whine all together' and tell how much this or that sucks. A group therapy for grumpy old men a'la IORR I guess.

- Doxa

If you don't like iorr why don't you piss off and be happy elsewhere.

hmmm...are you off your medication again?

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: May 23, 2025 23:05

I can understand if you don't like the album, even with zeal, though I question then if you're actually a Rolling Stones fan, given a few 80 year old's came up with something this excellent.

What I don't understand is the vitriol...for the love of god just settle the hell down, it's not even a "new" release anymore, you've had time to adjust.

Play nice and if you're supposed to be on medication and aren't taking it (hey, we're all getting to that age...or will be in due course), then for the love of god (or whomever you kowtow to), GET ON IT!

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: Munichhilton ()
Date: May 24, 2025 00:00

You'd have admiration for my dedication to medication. Its a celebration...
Wait where'd they go...

Re: "Modern music is a one-way toilet"
Posted by: ProfessorWolf ()
Date: May 24, 2025 00:44

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MadMax
Hackney Diamonds is very much MOR stuff production wise. It doesn't have that typical DRY Stones sound ONLY our boys have mastered.
Steve Jordan said it best in the Dec 2023 issue of MOJO.


Personally I'd love Chris Kimsey or Don Was to come back.

You have to admire Steve's honesty, he also commented that he himself could have produced the album.

Yeah I agree 100%. It was very refreshing. I mean, I ä, like you, prefer CH much more than HD. I think CH is a MASTERPIECE, just think about Steve's playing and those P-90's shining through on the last track. Sweet honey for the heart, soul and ears smileys with beer

I like Dirty Work more than HD and I'm not being sarcastic.
I can understand why some Stones fans like HD, it's kind of what Jagger would want from an album, he was probably happy he sounded young on it and he's right up there high in the mix, but once you hear Mick sing a few tracks from HD live you realise he can't produce anything like the vocals needed for it to work or have the power and punch we expect from the Stones, basically none of the tracks worked live with the exception of Keith's track.

But that's supposed to be the most important aspect of a Stones album, that the tracks work live and grow throughout their tour's.
I don't think the Stones have made albums that work particularly well live for a very long time.

with due respect i have to disagree

while you in my view have a point about maybe angry or mess it up

whole wide world and ssoh are both better live then there studio versions to me

the live version sound more stonsey in my view and lack the modern studio production sheen that many on here dislike

seriously have a listen to the versions from the racket show and then listen to the ones on the album and tell me the live version aren't preferable



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Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: ProfessorWolf ()
Date: May 24, 2025 00:52

can we please maintain some civility here

the name calling is petty and childish especially considering we're all adults and the issue is whether someone likes an album or not

the people that dislike it are entitled to there opinions and to being able to articulate it without them being told there lesser fans because of it

the phrase at the top of this page is discuss your favorite band

not praise your favorite band as if there shining infallible gods and punish unbelievers

furthermore the peope who like it shouldn't be attacked for it either

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: KeithNacho ()
Date: May 24, 2025 00:54

Steel wheels, Kris Kimsey was involved

Re: "Modern music is a one-way toilet"
Posted by: ProfessorWolf ()
Date: May 24, 2025 00:55

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Kurt
At least we can all agree that The Stones Sucked in the 70's...



"Modern IORR is a one-way toilet"
-Kurt

forgive my ignorance but what is that and where do i find one?

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