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Mr. Jimi
I had a Christmas party for some friends last night. During dinner, my son and I were spinning old Christmas records, Nat King Cole, Bing Crosby, etc. The usual stuff.
Then after dinner, I put on side two of Hackney Diamonds. Oh man, most every one seemed to enjoy it, but I felt like I was back in High School spinning Stones records in the corner, which all felt relatively new at the time.
Last night I was a kid again. Thank you Rolling Stones for another in a long line of great memories.
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Having listened through the album a couple of times I still wouldn't rank it higher than any album before 1983 (with an exception for TSMR).
But it's maybe the best post 1983 album. Still I'm happy that they finally released a new album after such a long wait.
You made it sound like that it is nothing sort of achievement to release the best album for forty years, or like any of those albums since UNDERCOVER do not matter or are easy to top. Like they are so weak.
Well, in my book it is a helluva achievement that the dudes reaching 80 years old are being able to do better stuff than when they reached middle age (and none of those albums are really that bad - no Exiles for sure, but c'mon).
I don't like the idea of "best since this or that", but that the album actually feels like it being the best for about 40 years and can be almost compared to the achievements of their first twenty years, truely topped all my expectations. Almost a miracle.
And no, HACKNEY DIAMONDS is not better album than any of those albums from their first twenty years, including SATANIC MAJESTIES. That stuff cannot be topped - and I can't even understand what comparing it to, say, OUT OF OUR HEADS is really like. Their recorded history from those days when they made history is beyond comparison.
But if it needs to rated against their back catalogue, I think HACKNEY DIAMONDS serves a similar function as their first album, AFTERMATH, BEGGARS BANQUET, SOME GIRLS and, yeah, STEEL WHEELS did at the time: showing competence and relevance when that was most needed. A sort of career-defining moments (for different reasons).
- Doxa
Excellent observation, Doxa, as I've also been thinking since a while that HD is exactly one of those albums where you feel the Stones not only had to deliver, but actually did deliver.
It's easy to say that there's nothing left to prove for them, but in retrospect it will make a difference if, looking back on their career in future, the general judgement will be like "oh, their last great one was Some Girls (or Tattoo You)" or "they still released great music more than 60 years into their career".
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MadMetaphoricalMax
My daughter I guess is in Gen Z and loved seeing the Stones at Twickenham 2018, where she was employed to cater to a box of exec types, and was blown away by the b and - shortly after seeing Sabbath's last show in Brum. MAybe Gen Zee is more rawk, less judgmental that the millennials are often depicted as being.
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Gen Z will probably end up being closer to Gen X in the long run. I don't think there's a need to spell that out other than they'll be into music and, well, we piss anywhere, man.
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I can vividly recall Emotional Rescue coming out, and getting it with the big thermal camera poster and everything, handling the execrable reviews from the British music press, and managing to like to brass arrangement on Indian Girl; it's been a long time since I gave it a spin, but I only really liked Dance and Let Me Go on side one, and the last three on side two.
Hackney Diamonds is several levels above ER in quality and sheer enjoyability for me. It's closer to the joy and excitement of Tattoo You.
HD is more evenly balanced. Everything is more or less of the same "enjoyable" level. Get Close is a low point but the rest is rather okay.
ER is more varied. There is rather weak stuff like Let Me Go, Where The Boys All Go, Summer Romance, Send It To Me and Dance. There is my personal guilty pleasure Indian Girl. All About You is cute. And then are absolute highlights like Down In The Hole, ER and She's So Cold. HD is lacking in absolute highlights.
All About You is "cute"?
CUTE?
You've lost your mind, matxil.
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HD is way more of a solid album than ER - and I do love ER. HD is full of highlights. How you can't hear that HD is way better than ER, well, there is hope for humans living on Mars but apparently it's taken a few steps back recently, not that it was and never will be possible.
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For example, there's not one lyric phrase on ER that matches this one, with exception to All About You:
Talk to me, pour your secrets out
Tell me I'm the only man you ever dream about
Talk to me, why don't you scream it out
Tell me that you'd rather die than live without, live without me
There are others.
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Gen Z will probably end up being closer to Gen X in the long run. I don't think there's a need to spell that out other than they'll be into music and, well, we piss anywhere, man.
What? The sober, vegan generation, that is 'Generation Z'? No, I think its the worst generation since records began. I shudder to think how Generation Alpha will turn out. Then again: the only 'Gen Z' in my immediate family, my niece, has one sole obsession in life: Elvis Presley. She's not allowed to access social media - a good thing -, so probably doesn't know the horrors the other's engage in!
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Gen Z will probably end up being closer to Gen X in the long run. I don't think there's a need to spell that out other than they'll be into music and, well, we piss anywhere, man.
What? The sober, vegan generation, that is 'Generation Z'? No, I think its the worst generation since records began. I shudder to think how Generation Alpha will turn out. Then again: the only 'Gen Z' in my immediate family, my niece, has one sole obsession in life: Elvis Presley. She's not allowed to access social media - a good thing -, so probably doesn't know the horrors the other's engage in!
Why is being sober and vegan a bad thing?
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Gen Z will probably end up being closer to Gen X in the long run. I don't think there's a need to spell that out other than they'll be into music and, well, we piss anywhere, man.
What? The sober, vegan generation, that is 'Generation Z'? No, I think its the worst generation since records began. I shudder to think how Generation Alpha will turn out. Then again: the only 'Gen Z' in my immediate family, my niece, has one sole obsession in life: Elvis Presley. She's not allowed to access social media - a good thing -, so probably doesn't know the horrors the other's engage in!
Why is being sober and vegan a bad thing?
Sobriety is only a good thing if one is an alcoholic in a state of permanent recover; like Ronnie or Eric Clapton. Medics have stated that alcohol in moderation - staying within the recommended allowance of units - is healthier than abstaining completely. As for veganism: surely it cannot be healthier than consuming meat and fish as part of an overall, well-balanced diet? Just think of all the nutrients the vegan is missing-out on. But no, they're not 'bad things'; just less-than-ideal lifestyle choices. It's just my opinion, of course.
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Gen Z will probably end up being closer to Gen X in the long run. I don't think there's a need to spell that out other than they'll be into music and, well, we piss anywhere, man.
What? The sober, vegan generation, that is 'Generation Z'? No, I think its the worst generation since records began. I shudder to think how Generation Alpha will turn out. Then again: the only 'Gen Z' in my immediate family, my niece, has one sole obsession in life: Elvis Presley. She's not allowed to access social media - a good thing -, so probably doesn't know the horrors the other's engage in!
Why is being sober and vegan a bad thing?
Sobriety is only a good thing if one is an alcoholic in a state of permanent recover; like Ronnie or Eric Clapton. Medics have stated that alcohol in moderation - staying within the recommended allowance of units - is healthier than abstaining completely. As for veganism: surely it cannot be healthier than consuming meat and fish as part of an overall, well-balanced diet? Just think of all the nutrients the vegan is missing-out on. But no, they're not 'bad things'; just less-than-ideal lifestyle choices. It's just my opinion, of course.
It is just an opinion and it might change if you cared to engage with science conscientiously. Concerning Gen Z being "the worst generation": I know which generation IS NOT responsible for the horrors that are taking place, for the state our planet is in and for the upbringing of the social-media addicted Gen-Z - Gen Z!
The logic one encounters on the internet...
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Gen Z will probably end up being closer to Gen X in the long run. I don't think there's a need to spell that out other than they'll be into music and, well, we piss anywhere, man.
What? The sober, vegan generation, that is 'Generation Z'? No, I think its the worst generation since records began. I shudder to think how Generation Alpha will turn out. Then again: the only 'Gen Z' in my immediate family, my niece, has one sole obsession in life: Elvis Presley. She's not allowed to access social media - a good thing -, so probably doesn't know the horrors the other's engage in!
Why is being sober and vegan a bad thing?
Sobriety is only a good thing if one is an alcoholic in a state of permanent recover; like Ronnie or Eric Clapton. Medics have stated that alcohol in moderation - staying within the recommended allowance of units - is healthier than abstaining completely. As for veganism: surely it cannot be healthier than consuming meat and fish as part of an overall, well-balanced diet? Just think of all the nutrients the vegan is missing-out on. But no, they're not 'bad things'; just less-than-ideal lifestyle choices. It's just my opinion, of course.
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Gen Z will probably end up being closer to Gen X in the long run. I don't think there's a need to spell that out other than they'll be into music and, well, we piss anywhere, man.
What? The sober, vegan generation, that is 'Generation Z'? No, I think its the worst generation since records began. I shudder to think how Generation Alpha will turn out. Then again: the only 'Gen Z' in my immediate family, my niece, has one sole obsession in life: Elvis Presley. She's not allowed to access social media - a good thing -, so probably doesn't know the horrors the other's engage in!
Why is being sober and vegan a bad thing?
Sobriety is only a good thing if one is an alcoholic in a state of permanent recover; like Ronnie or Eric Clapton. Medics have stated that alcohol in moderation - staying within the recommended allowance of units - is healthier than abstaining completely. As for veganism: surely it cannot be healthier than consuming meat and fish as part of an overall, well-balanced diet? Just think of all the nutrients the vegan is missing-out on. But no, they're not 'bad things'; just less-than-ideal lifestyle choices. It's just my opinion, of course.
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Gen Z will probably end up being closer to Gen X in the long run. I don't think there's a need to spell that out other than they'll be into music and, well, we piss anywhere, man.
What? The sober, vegan generation, that is 'Generation Z'? No, I think its the worst generation since records began. I shudder to think how Generation Alpha will turn out. Then again: the only 'Gen Z' in my immediate family, my niece, has one sole obsession in life: Elvis Presley. She's not allowed to access social media - a good thing -, so probably doesn't know the horrors the other's engage in!
Why is being sober and vegan a bad thing?
Sobriety is only a good thing if one is an alcoholic in a state of permanent recover; like Ronnie or Eric Clapton. Medics have stated that alcohol in moderation - staying within the recommended allowance of units - is healthier than abstaining completely. As for veganism: surely it cannot be healthier than consuming meat and fish as part of an overall, well-balanced diet? Just think of all the nutrients the vegan is missing-out on. But no, they're not 'bad things'; just less-than-ideal lifestyle choices. It's just my opinion, of course.
Actually they now state that there is no safe amount of alcohol as it is a carcinogen.
I believe that probably there are some people predisposed genetically to that, just like alcoholism, and that eventually we'll figure that out.
But yeah, the safe limit was 14 units/week (2 per day if you were male, half that for females) and then they dropped it to 2 per week (in the UK initially a couple of years ago, if memory serves), stating that better to not indulge at all. You can get the same 'health benefits' you're referring to by drinking grape juice.
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Gen Z will probably end up being closer to Gen X in the long run. I don't think there's a need to spell that out other than they'll be into music and, well, we piss anywhere, man.
What? The sober, vegan generation, that is 'Generation Z'? No, I think its the worst generation since records began. I shudder to think how Generation Alpha will turn out. Then again: the only 'Gen Z' in my immediate family, my niece, has one sole obsession in life: Elvis Presley. She's not allowed to access social media - a good thing -, so probably doesn't know the horrors the other's engage in!
Why is being sober and vegan a bad thing?
Sobriety is only a good thing if one is an alcoholic in a state of permanent recover; like Ronnie or Eric Clapton. Medics have stated that alcohol in moderation - staying within the recommended allowance of units - is healthier than abstaining completely. As for veganism: surely it cannot be healthier than consuming meat and fish as part of an overall, well-balanced diet? Just think of all the nutrients the vegan is missing-out on. But no, they're not 'bad things'; just less-than-ideal lifestyle choices. It's just my opinion, of course.
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Gen Z will probably end up being closer to Gen X in the long run. I don't think there's a need to spell that out other than they'll be into music and, well, we piss anywhere, man.
What? The sober, vegan generation, that is 'Generation Z'? No, I think its the worst generation since records began. I shudder to think how Generation Alpha will turn out. Then again: the only 'Gen Z' in my immediate family, my niece, has one sole obsession in life: Elvis Presley. She's not allowed to access social media - a good thing -, so probably doesn't know the horrors the other's engage in!
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Gen Z will probably end up being closer to Gen X in the long run. I don't think there's a need to spell that out other than they'll be into music and, well, we piss anywhere, man.
What? The sober, vegan generation, that is 'Generation Z'? No, I think its the worst generation since records began. I shudder to think how Generation Alpha will turn out. Then again: the only 'Gen Z' in my immediate family, my niece, has one sole obsession in life: Elvis Presley. She's not allowed to access social media - a good thing -, so probably doesn't know the horrors the other's engage in!
As a member of Generation Z and a College Student, let me tell you, we are not the sober generation
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Gen Z will probably end up being closer to Gen X in the long run. I don't think there's a need to spell that out other than they'll be into music and, well, we piss anywhere, man.
What? The sober, vegan generation, that is 'Generation Z'? No, I think its the worst generation since records began. I shudder to think how Generation Alpha will turn out. Then again: the only 'Gen Z' in my immediate family, my niece, has one sole obsession in life: Elvis Presley. She's not allowed to access social media - a good thing -, so probably doesn't know the horrors the other's engage in!
Why is being sober and vegan a bad thing?
Sobriety is only a good thing if one is an alcoholic in a state of permanent recover; like Ronnie or Eric Clapton. Medics have stated that alcohol in moderation - staying within the recommended allowance of units - is healthier than abstaining completely. As for veganism: surely it cannot be healthier than consuming meat and fish as part of an overall, well-balanced diet? Just think of all the nutrients the vegan is missing-out on. But no, they're not 'bad things'; just less-than-ideal lifestyle choices. It's just my opinion, of course.
Actually they now state that there is no safe amount of alcohol as it is a carcinogen.
I believe that probably there are some people predisposed genetically to that, just like alcoholism, and that eventually we'll figure that out.
But yeah, the safe limit was 14 units/week (2 per day if you were male, half that for females) and then they dropped it to 2 per week (in the UK initially a couple of years ago, if memory serves), stating that better to not indulge at all. You can get the same 'health benefits' you're referring to by drinking grape juice.
The present 'safe limit' in the U.K. is 14 units for both male and female. Prior to the change it was, something like, 25 units for men; 21 for women.
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Gen Z will probably end up being closer to Gen X in the long run. I don't think there's a need to spell that out other than they'll be into music and, well, we piss anywhere, man.
What? The sober, vegan generation, that is 'Generation Z'? No, I think its the worst generation since records began. I shudder to think how Generation Alpha will turn out. Then again: the only 'Gen Z' in my immediate family, my niece, has one sole obsession in life: Elvis Presley. She's not allowed to access social media - a good thing -, so probably doesn't know the horrors the other's engage in!
Why is being sober and vegan a bad thing?
Sobriety is only a good thing if one is an alcoholic in a state of permanent recover; like Ronnie or Eric Clapton. Medics have stated that alcohol in moderation - staying within the recommended allowance of units - is healthier than abstaining completely. As for veganism: surely it cannot be healthier than consuming meat and fish as part of an overall, well-balanced diet? Just think of all the nutrients the vegan is missing-out on. But no, they're not 'bad things'; just less-than-ideal lifestyle choices. It's just my opinion, of course.
Actually they now state that there is no safe amount of alcohol as it is a carcinogen.
I believe that probably there are some people predisposed genetically to that, just like alcoholism, and that eventually we'll figure that out.
But yeah, the safe limit was 14 units/week (2 per day if you were male, half that for females) and then they dropped it to 2 per week (in the UK initially a couple of years ago, if memory serves), stating that better to not indulge at all. You can get the same 'health benefits' you're referring to by drinking grape juice.
The present 'safe limit' in the U.K. is 14 units for both male and female. Prior to the change it was, something like, 25 units for men; 21 for women.
So I checked and here's what I've found in Canada, which I think upgraded it's standards this year. This came about 2 years after a UK study, which I'd mistakenly presumed meant that the UK had led the way on that.
[www.ccsa.ca].
Key points from the guidance include:
There is a continuum of risk associated with weekly alcohol use where the risk of harm is:
0 drinks per week — Not drinking has benefits, such as better health, and better sleep.
2 standard drinks or less per week — You are likely to avoid alcohol-related consequences for yourself or others at this level.
3–6 standard drinks per week — Your risk of developing several types of cancer, including breast and colon cancer, increases at this level.
7 standard drinks or more per week — Your risk of heart disease or stroke increases significantly at this level.
Each additional standard drink radically increases the risk of alcohol-related consequences.
Consuming more than 2 standard drinks per occasion is associated with an increased risk of harms to self and others, including injuries and violence.
When pregnant or trying to get pregnant, there is no known safe amount of alcohol use.
When breastfeeding, not drinking alcohol is safest.
No matter where you are on the continuum, for your health, less alcohol is better.
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What is this Mess It Up demo? I can't find it on YouTube.
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What is this Mess It Up demo? I can't find it on YouTube.
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That's not a demo.
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