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The Stones and Brian Jones' - Rolling Stones Documentary
Posted by: thomashanck ()
Date: October 11, 2023 22:32

The Stones and Brian Jones - Official Trailer | Rolling Stones Documentary | In Theaters November 7

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Date: October 12, 2023 12:30


Re: The Stones and Brian Jones - Official Trailer | Rolling Stones Documentary | In Theaters November 7
Posted by: NilsHolgersson ()
Date: October 12, 2023 12:44

I'm wondering what Brian would say if he could see his old pals now, 80 years old, still "The Rolling Stones". I think he would laugh his arse off.

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The Stones and Brian Jones | Rolling Stones Documentary | In Theaters November 7
Posted by: bye bye johnny ()
Date: November 4, 2023 23:38

EXCLUSIVE

Bill Wyman Remembers His Troubled Pal Brian Jones: ‘He Inadvertently Made the Wrong Decisions, to His Detriment’

In an exclusive interview about Nick Broomfield’s new doc The Stones and Brian Jones, the former Stone recalls the band’s founder and most tragic figure

By David Browne
November 4, 2023


Mark and Colleen Hayward/Redferns/Getty

Ask Bill Wyman what people should expect from The Stones and Brian Jones, documentarian Nick Broomfield’s new film about the late, doomed founder of the band, and he’s pretty straightforward about it: “The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but!”

That may be a slight exaggeration, but there’s no denying that the documentary, for which the former Rolling Stones bass player was a “historical consultant,” delves into the highs (laterally and figuratively) and lows of the man who started the Stones but never lived past the Sixties. “He was the heart and soul of the Stones,” Broomfield says in his narration, “but today most people have never heard of him.” At this point, Jones may be most notorious as the first major rock star to die at 27, the launch of a tragic and mysterious club that would come to include Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain, Jim Morrison, and Amy Winehouse.

For those unaware of his contributions, The Stones and Brian Jones (which will play in theaters one night, November 7th, before a wider release on November 17th) gives Jones the props he earned. We’re reminded that he essentially started the band when he was all of 19, was its blues-purist soul in its early days, and added a defining soupcon to some of their most beloved songs, be it the flute on “Ruby Tuesday,” the marimba in “Under My Thumb,” or the sitar in “Paint It Black.” (Wyman’s favorite, he tells RS? The Mellotron Jones played on “2000 Light Years From Home.”)

As far as the overall arc of Jones’ life, Broomfield sticks with the basics. Raised by a disapproving father who made his son feel as if he was throwing his life away by starting a rock band, Jones both rebels against authority and yearns for his parents’ approval. “I don’t want to spoil the movie for anyone by naming specifics,” Wyman tells RS, “but there were a few things that really touched me, including some things about Brian’s childhood that Nick discovered that I didn’t already know.” Those might include the fact that Jones’ father kicked him out of the house when his son was only 17 or that his parents never saw Jones play live, which is profoundly shocking and surely contributed to his self-esteem issues.

A dedicated student of blues and R&B, Jones relates to both Black music and society’s underdogs, and it was his newspaper ad calling for band members that led Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, who’d already jammed with him, to his door. Nominally the leader of the Stones, Jones is soon overtaken by them, Jagger especially, and finds himself adrift — drowning himself in drugs and alcohol before actually drowning in the pool at his British estate in 1969. (For anyone wondering, Broomfield, who explored the theory that Cobain was murdered in 1998’s Kurt & Courtney, does not subscribe to the theory that Jones was the victim of foul play, detailed in Danny Garcia’s 2019 doc Rolling Stone: Life and Death of Brian Jones.)

Once he was forced to leave home, Jones also had a habit of moving in with a family of a young woman he knew, getting that girl pregnant, and then leaving — which, according to the film, happened at least five times. In The Stones and Brian Jones, people describe Jones as alternately sweet, gentlemanly, insecure or self-centered. “All of those words apply,” Wyman says. “Brian could flip from being nice and kind one minute to cruel and mean the next. He was also brilliantly clever — more so than the rest of us —but he often inadvertently made the wrong decisions, to his detriment.”

Even after so many decades, it’s still surprising to see how deeply Jones was invested in the Stones, even answering most of their fan mail himself. “When I joined, Brian was setting up our shows, deciding which songs we played and recorded, and signing all the management and recording contracts,” Wyman says. “Brian was making all the creative and business decisions on behalf of the band during this time.”

But the far more charismatic and confident Jagger was increasingly seen as the band’s frontman and leader, especially after the band began working with manager Andrew Loog Oldham. As far as when Jones stated losing control of his band, Wyman says, “I think it was when Andrew started encouraging Mick and Keith to write songs. Unfortunately, this caused Brian to lose confidence in himself as time went on. Brian, Charlie and I stopped doing so many interviews with press, radio and TV, as Andrew thrust Mick and Keith forward into the public eye.”

In an awkward moment captured in a vintage clip, a TV host approaches Jones, assuming he’s the band’s main composer. “I’m not really a writer,” Jones replied, shyly, before the host moves over to Jagger and Richards. We also hear a snippet of a sweet and lovely song Jones tried to write and sing himself, although he cuts himself off just after starting it. “He was totally insecure,” Wyman says, “so he was always worrying what people would think.”

Wyman confirms the legend that he and Jones were likely the closest in the band. “From the beginning I always shared rooms with Brian on the road” he says, “and we often went to clubs and other events together just the two of us, so we naturally became very close.” That bond is in stark contrast to vignettes about Jagger and Richards teasing Jones. In another older interview (the Stones did not cooperate with the film), Jagger admits the band was perhaps “a bit insensitive” when it came to Jones’ contributions or own songwriting. Richards is heard explaining that fame impacted Jones more than the others and that no one else in the band had the time or maturity to help him out.

The French model Zouzou, one of Jones’ many partners, also claims in the movie (as she did in the Rolling Stone doc) that Jones was increasingly dissatisfied with the music the Stones were making, especially “(I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction.” She recalls Jones telling her they were “writing shit” and said, of that song, “Look at this — it’s vulgar, it’s awful, it’s out of tune, it’s nothing.” Zouzou remembers Jones having crying-jag breakdowns, drinking Scotch and coke all day, and, given the bags under his eyes, asking her if he should get a facelift even though he was all of 24. By the time of the Stones’ Rock and Roll Circus TV special, Jones could barely play the guitar and looked prematurely weathered; its director, Michael Lindsay-Hogg, recalls Jones telling him that the Stones were making his life “a living hell.”

Does Wyman think the Stones could have done more to stop Jones’ downward spiral? “He did go into rehab in July 1967,” Wyman says. “I know because I visited him there. But ultimately it’s down to the person themselves, which can be so difficult, as it was for him.” As Wyman also recalls, “He once stubbed a cigar butt on my hand in the car, then he immediately apologized. He had a good heart but he could also have a wicked sense of humor.”

Thanks to old and new interviews with former lovers, The Stones and Brian Jones gets up close and personal, from his earliest, teenage relationships to another girlfriend’s description of Jones as an “insatiable” lover. Zouzou also tells Broomfield that Jones seemed to gravitate toward women who looked like him, especially in terms of matching bangs. “He didn’t like himself,” she says. “But at the same time, he wanted to have people who looked like himself, which is strange.” Jones could be so charming and courtly that he once talked one of his girlfriends’ parents into allowing her to go on the road with the Stones.

According to the film, Jones’ dark side kicked in when he hooked up with actress Anita Pallenberg, who lent his life an element of glamor and pharmaceutical risk-taking. In a new interview in the doc, Volker Schlöndorff, who directed Pallenberg in the Sixties cult noir Degree of Murder, wonders why she and Jones would trash the curtains in their hotel room rather than simply, say, opening them. In one particularly striking scene, Jones’ former girlfriend Linda Lawrence, in need of money for their son, visits him, but Jones and Pallenberg gaze down at them from a top floor, laugh, and never come to the door.

Leaving Jones for being what Richards calls “an a**hole” in the film, Pallenberg switches to Richards—literally going from Jones’ hotel room to Richards’ on the same Cannes Film Festival trip, as Schlöndorff recalls. Jones’ father is heard maintaining that breakup left Jones “morose.” His son’s drinking and drugging excesses certainly did continue, leading to the Stones firing him and his death just weeks later.

Given that Jones’ death took place 54 years ago — and that, as Broomfield says, he’s largely unknown outside of hardcore Stones fans — why are we still analyzing his brief life? “Brian was a staggering musical talent who contributed to the creation of many masterpieces,” Wyman says. “His legacy will continue for a long time to come.”

Jones’ lost promise could be another reason: Here, Eric Burdon of the Animals calls him “a bit of a genius,” and Jones’ work with the Moroccan group The Master Musicians of Joujouka, released after his death, revealed he was ahead of the curve when it came to rockers recognizing world music. Or maybe he’s now simply a metaphor. Jones’ death came just a few months prior to the horrific Altamont festival, which came to symbolize the death of whatever remained of the Sixties dream by December 1969. In the way Jones lost himself in a haze of fame, substances, and insecurity, The Stones and Brian Jones makes the case that he was a one-man Altamont of his own.

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The Stones and Brian Jones - In Theaters November 7
Posted by: bye bye johnny ()
Date: November 6, 2023 19:57



List of November 7 US theatre screenings - [www.magpictures.com]

Re: The Stones and Brian Jones - Official Trailer | Rolling Stones Documentary | In Theaters November 7
Posted by: hot stuff ()
Date: November 6, 2023 20:39

Thanks. Excited to see the film.
My wife and I are going !!!



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Re: The Stones and Brian Jones - Official Trailer | Rolling Stones Documentary | In Theaters November 7
Posted by: RollingFreak ()
Date: November 6, 2023 23:16

This is available near me. Is it a good film or just trash? I was pretty intrigued.

Re: The Stones and Brian Jones - Official Trailer | Rolling Stones Documentary | In Theaters November 7
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: November 7, 2023 00:34

Interesting ... bit of unseen footage ...
But lets face it we already know how it ends ....



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Re: The Stones and Brian Jones - Official Trailer | Rolling Stones Documentary | In Theaters November 7
Posted by: retired_dog ()
Date: November 7, 2023 20:38

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Interesting ... bit of unseen footage ...
But lets face it we already know how it ends ....

Yeah, but how exactly still remains a mystery...

Re: The Stones and Brian Jones - Official Trailer | Rolling Stones Documentary | In Theaters November 7
Posted by: 24FPS ()
Date: November 8, 2023 08:38

I think the subject is quickly becoming exhausted. I'm sure I'll watch it, but it will probably just confirm things we already knew. Of course he was a bit of a genius, but it didn't last long. One wonders if he had the temperament to form another group after he lost his job with the Stones. He decidedly underestimated the other members of the Stones. They might have listened to him in the beginning, but the other's personalities were too strong to be led along by someone who really didn't have the managerial talents to be their leader for long.

He is a major character just by starting the band, and naming it. Unfortunately his real musical and sartorial contributions petered out pretty quick, and became more and more sporadic.

Re: The Stones and Brian Jones - Official Trailer | Rolling Stones Documentary | In Theaters November 7
Posted by: JadedFaded ()
Date: November 8, 2023 08:46

I went to see this film tonight. There was only one showtime. Including me, there were only 5 people in the theater. As a fan, I found the film interesting because I like seeing footage of my favorite band and interviews with their families, friends and lovers. It isn’t the best Stones-related documentary film I’ve seen; there was a bit too much slow-motion grainy footage. Nonetheless, it held my interest. I didn’t learn anything new. But my favorite parts were Bill Wyman playing air slide guitar (Little Red Rooster), air sitar (Paint it Black) and and air flute (Ruby Tuesday) while vocally sounding out those instruments to explain what he found so brilliant about what Brian added to those songs. He also did air bass to explain how he himself approached Satisfaction.

Re: The Stones and Brian Jones - Official Trailer | Rolling Stones Documentary | In Theaters November 7
Posted by: barbequebob ()
Date: November 8, 2023 16:05

I saw it last night at Cape Cinema on Cape Cod, MA. One show only.

Did not count but probably around 50 of us there.

Good movie, but yes, not much that most of us long time fans did not already know.

The most incredible thing for me was seeing Bill Wyman speaking at length. I suppose he's done interviews in the years since he left the Stones, but this is the first time I saw one.

Still glad I went to see it.

'The Stones and Brian Jones' - Rolling Stones Documentary
Posted by: bye bye johnny ()
Date: November 10, 2023 21:16

‘The Stones and Brian Jones’ Review: Nick Broomfield’s Dark and Sad Rock Doc About the Lost Boy of the Rolling Stones

Genius or toxic narcissist? The founding member of the Stones gets his own profile in excess.

By Owen Gleiberman
November 9, 2023


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Date: November 10, 2023 23:22

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Re: 'The Stones and Brian Jones' - Rolling Stones Documentary
Posted by: Taylor1 ()
Date: November 11, 2023 04:46

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bye bye johnny
‘The Stones and Brian Jones’ Review: Nick Broomfield’s Dark and Sad Rock Doc About the Lost Boy of the Rolling Stones

Genius or toxic narcissist? The founding member of the Stones gets his own profile in excess.

By Owen Gleiberman
November 9, 2023


Mirrorpix/Magnolia Pictures

[variety.com]
The movie according to the Variety article says Brian didn’t like the pop music direction the band took away from their blues roots.But I think Brian was all for the kind of experimentation on songs like Lady Jane and 2000 Light YearsI think he is musically dominant as any in the band on Satanic Majesties .In interviews at the time of the album’s release he said he was very proud of the music.And Jimmy Miller said Brian told him at the beginning of the Beggars Banquet sessions he would not be of much use on a blues rock album because he was into electronic music.Even Mick said at the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame induction Brian took them off the course of rhythm and blues with often marvelous results

Re: The Stones and Brian Jones - Official Trailer | Rolling Stones Documentary | In Theaters November 7
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Date: November 11, 2023 08:20

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Thanks for the link, just finished it, left me wanting more but enjoyed it (as much as one can enjoy some of the more tragic elements).. He's always been my initial gravitation to the Stones

Re: The Stones and Brian Jones - Official Trailer | Rolling Stones Documentary | In Theaters November 7
Posted by: jp.M ()
Date: November 11, 2023 10:14

...just seen in France ....Thank you very much.!

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Date: November 11, 2023 14:04

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Thanks for the link, just finished it, left me wanting more but enjoyed it (as much as one can enjoy some of the more tragic elements).. He's always been my initial gravitation to the Stones

Thanks for the link. Very nice documentary with some unseen material (at least for me). Didn't know the story of Brian's dog, that ate from a space cake and got in a LSD trip from several months. Poor animal.

'The Stones and Brian Jones' - Rolling Stones Documentary
Posted by: bye bye johnny ()
Date: November 14, 2023 20:59

Documentary Director Nick Broomfield Talks 'The Stones and Brian Jones'

Moviefone speaks with Nick Broomfield about 'The Stones and Brian Jones.' "His leadership was challenged by Mick Jagger and Brian was unable to accept that."

Jami Philbrick
November 14, 2023


Photo courtesy of Magnolia Pictures

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Re: The Stones and Brian Jones - Official Trailer | Rolling Stones Documentary | In Theaters November 7
Posted by: DGA35 ()
Date: November 14, 2023 21:17

Haven't seen the movie, just read the interview with the director. I wonder if Brian's sister ever saw the band because they did play Cheltenham a couple times in the early years.
Also, to those who saw the movie, what did Eric Burdon have to say?

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Re: The Stones and Brian Jones' - Rolling Stones Documentary
Posted by: 24FPS ()
Date: April 28, 2024 05:47

Finally caught it on Paramount streaming in the states. I was much surprised by the quality of it. There has been so many crappy 'rockdocs' on the Stones, with ersatz music and talking heads with people you've never heard of, or care to. This really cut to the bone, and was quite good. I almost felt sorry for Brian because his life was obviously out of control and he seemed powerless to get a grip. And the Anita stuff was fascinating. What a force of nature.

I'm so glad it wasn't a cheesy 'Who Killed The Golden Stone' kind of trip. It was a straight forward documentary. Bill speculated on what killed Brian, downers and alcohol, but no one blamed anyone that couldn't be proven. I can see where Brian was a split personality, loving to raise hell, but hating himself for what he did to other people. (If he was that aware).

I'm hoping the Pallenberg doc will be just as good. I thought it was cute when Bill would play Ruby Tuesday, or Little Red Rooster and point out Brian's parts. We all know them deep in our souls, but Bill seemed innocent, like we might be unaware of the music they made.

Re: The Stones and Brian Jones' - Rolling Stones Documentary
Date: April 28, 2024 05:53

I just have to say this.

The one thing most folks do not understand.

The Rolling Stones would never be what they are today without Brian Jones.

It is a shame he is not recognized for his input to the band.

Look at what we all want to hear as fans........ the music from his era.

The Mick Taylor years were there peak but without Brian those years would not be recognized..

Re: The Stones and Brian Jones' - Rolling Stones Documentary
Posted by: 24FPS ()
Date: April 28, 2024 09:57

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I just have to say this.

The one thing most folks do not understand.

The Rolling Stones would never be what they are today without Brian Jones.

Of course. He was the one who lit the fuse. But he soon flamed out. It's a tragedy. He could have concentrated on his guitar playing and been an integral part of the band to this day. As it is he is in the very foundation of their blues/r&b sound. In the way they look and act. But the young man had deep problems. It almost a cliche to say troubled genius. You'd think after he knocked up one girl, he would have been cautious not to do it again, and again, and again, and again.

You would have had to pull away the booze and drugs to get to the mental problems beneath. You can't blame everything on his daddy. Tissues for your issues, Austin? I think the greatest tragedy is a selfish one. We didn't get enough of his particular genius. Think what he might have done with synthesizers.

Re: The Stones and Brian Jones' - Rolling Stones Documentary
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: April 28, 2024 13:02

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georgemcdonnell314
I just have to say this.

The one thing most folks do not understand.

The Rolling Stones would never be what they are today without Brian Jones.

It is a shame he is not recognized for his input to the band.

Look at what we all want to hear as fans........ the music from his era.

The Mick Taylor years were there peak but without Brian those years would not be recognized..

The Stones would have been the exact same juggernaut playing the Jagger/Richards songs in the same stadiums they do today. Wyman leaving changed the band, as did Charlie's passing. Jones and Taylor are mere footnotes in their history.

Mathijs

Re: The Stones and Brian Jones' - Rolling Stones Documentary
Posted by: georgie48 ()
Date: April 28, 2024 19:41

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Mathijs
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georgemcdonnell314
I just have to say this.

The one thing most folks do not understand.

The Rolling Stones would never be what they are today without Brian Jones.

It is a shame he is not recognized for his input to the band.

Look at what we all want to hear as fans........ the music from his era.

The Mick Taylor years were there peak but without Brian those years would not be recognized..

The Stones would have been the exact same juggernaut playing the Jagger/Richards songs in the same stadiums they do today. Wyman leaving changed the band, as did Charlie's passing. Jones and Taylor are mere footnotes in their history.

Mathijs

Come On Mathijs .... you know better cool smiley

I'm a GHOST living in a ghost town

Re: The Stones and Brian Jones' - Rolling Stones Documentary
Posted by: Witness ()
Date: May 6, 2024 12:01

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georgemcdonnell314
I just have to say this.

The one thing most folks do not understand.

The Rolling Stones would never be what they are today without Brian Jones.

It is a shame he is not recognized for his input to the band.

Look at what we all want to hear as fans........ the music from his era.

The Mick Taylor years were there peak but without Brian those years would not be recognized..

The Stones would have been the exact same juggernaut playing the Jagger/Richards songs in the same stadiums they do today. Wyman leaving changed the band, as did Charlie's passing. Jones and Taylor are mere footnotes in their history.

Mathijs

Come On Mathijs .... you know better cool smiley

In my understanding the Rolling Stones during their formative years developed a collective musical identity. Without Brian Jones' (and, to some extent, Mick Taylor's) contribution, that collective identity would not have been quite the same. And to those two band members' time in the band belongs most of the greatest achievements of the Stones, Even if much of their greatness comes from the the Jagger and Richards songs, that greatness is created at the basis of their collective identity gradually developed.

(Nice to see you back, georgie48.)

Re: The Stones and Brian Jones' - Rolling Stones Documentary
Posted by: 24FPS ()
Date: May 6, 2024 17:41

Footnotes? Maybe D.Jones, but certainly not B.Jones. B.Jones is part of the very ethos of the Stones. The look, the sound, the attitude. And Mick Taylor will be seen as a crucial part of their golden era on stage. Ron Wood's legacy is still to be sorted out, but it's already known as a person he helped them continue through all the changes at a high level as Keith's abilities declined due to arthritis and falling out of trees.

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