I found someday an article about Michael Jackson’s trademark singing.

It said Jackson was much inspired by James Brown’s pattern: starting the verse right on the first beat à la Sex Machine (Get up ! etc.). Listen for instance to Shake Your Body (Down to the Ground) and Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough of which verse start also right on the beat 1.
Author explained that way, the piece sounds more dancing.
By contrast, other soul artists start the verses after the beat 1, and quite often in an un-even way between two beats, which gives a laid-back feel.

So I did try a sort of quizz for the Stones’ songs
It seems the verses starting the beat 1 are quite rare , and belong to the first area of their songwriting.
Here what I found (Surely, there are some others)
¬ Get Off My Cloud (on 1st)
- Have you had another, baby, standing in the shadow? (on 1st)
- Sympathy For The Devil (on 1st)

I could’nt find the original article, but here is another on that topic:
Do not start on the Downbeat
« Many super catchy melodies do not even start on an even (sorry did it again) downbeat in the first place. »
[www.productionmusiclive.com]



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Does „She was hot“ fit in here?

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Fillmore
Does „She was hot“ fit in here?

No, I dont think so.
Although it starts right on a downbeat, it's the beat 3, not the beat 1. But yes,I think it'quite rare to start the singing on the beat 3.

See the music sheet, with the verse starting on the beat 3 of the fifth bar.

[freshsheetmusic.com]

Down In The Hole.

Actually, it starts before the beat. Same with GOOMC.



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The Joker
I found someday an article about Michael Jackson’s trademark singing.

It said Jackson was much inspired by James Brown’s pattern: starting the verse right on the first beat à la Sex Machine (Get up ! etc.). Listen for instance to Shake Your Body (Down to the Ground) and Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough of which verse start also right on the beat 1.
Author explained that way, the piece sounds more dancing.
By contrast, other soul artists start the verses after the beat 1, and quite often in an un-even way between two beats, which gives a laid-back feel.

So I did try a sort of quizz for the Stones’ songs
It seems the verses starting the beat 1 are quite rare , and belong to the first area of their songwriting.
Here what I found (Surely, there are some others)
¬ Get Off My Cloud (on 1st)
- Have you had another, baby, standing in the shadow? (on 1st)
- Sympathy For The Devil (on 1st)

I could’nt find the original article, but here is another on that topic:
Do not start on the Downbeat
« Many super catchy melodies do not even start on an even (sorry did it again) downbeat in the first place. »
[www.productionmusiclive.com]

Get Off Of My Cloud starts on the upbeat of the 4 not the 1

Ruby Tuesday is on the 1.

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Fillmore
Does „She was hot“ fit in here?

If I count correct, the drumming is also atypical in the intro, and adds to the confusion.
Charlie hits the snare drum on the beat 1 of the bar 2, 3 and 4 with Bill who plays straight.
It's quite bizarre, since the snare drum is normaly hit on the upbeats (2 and 4), but in the same time it's a pattern in the mood of the "speedy style" Charlie used in the eighties.

Neighbours

Get Off Of My Cloud starts on the upbeat of the 4 not the 1

Right.

@#$%& Blues?

If You Can't Rock Me


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Doesn't Angie start right on the first beat of the measure?

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Topi
@#$%& Blues?

Nope, I believe.
Sounds it starts on the upbeat of the 3

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DiamondDog7
If You Can't Rock Me


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Nope. Start on the upbeat of the 1, aka beween the beat 1 and 2

See

[www.sheetmusicdirect.com]

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Neighbours

YES
We got a winner

Tie you up (the pain of love) lyrics start right on the ONE

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More Hot Rocks



Ruby Tuesday is on the 1.

YES
We got a winner

Brown Sugar is on the first beat.

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The Joker

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Topi
@#$%& Blues?

Nope, I believe.
Sounds it starts on the upbeat of the 3

And here I was thinking @#$%& Blues is the correct answer to every question!

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The Joker

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DiamondDog7
If You Can't Rock Me


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Nope. Start on the upbeat of the 1, aka beween the beat 1 and 2

See

[www.sheetmusicdirect.com]

You're right. I'm starting to think that people can't count.

The Storm!

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Brown Sugar is on the first beat.

No
"Gold..." starts on the second half of the 4

See the musicsheet.
[www.totalsheetmusic.com]

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The Storm!

No. The first word “I” starts on the upbeat of the 4. The other lines are on the 1

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doitywoik
Doesn't Angie start right on the first beat of the measure?

Nope.

I say it starts right on the beat 2

Musicsheet says between beats 2 and 3, but it'not what I hear

[www.musiclassroom.com]

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More Hot Rocks

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LeonidP
The Storm!

No. The first word “I” starts on the upbeat of the 4. The other lines are on the 1

Okay, I don't follow the requirements then! Ignorant of "upbeat of the 4"

Sing This All Together
Citadel
2000 Man
2000 Light Years From Home



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DandelionPowderman
Brown Sugar is on the first beat.

No
"Gold..." starts on the second half of the 4

See the musicsheet.
[www.totalsheetmusic.com]

I'm hearing Charlie's first hit of the four on «Gold».

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schillid
Sing This All Together
Citadel
2000 Man
2000 Light Years From Home

Citadel

2000 Light Years From Home


Sing This All Together: No
It starts with the chorus, which is a bit unusual. The chorus is right on the beat 1, but the verse, which follows, is between beats 1 and 2

[www.musicnotes.com]

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The Joker

Sing This All Together: No
It starts with the chorus, which is a bit unusual.

That's true

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DandelionPowderman

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The Joker

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DandelionPowderman
Brown Sugar is on the first beat.

No
"Gold..." starts on the second half of the 4

[youtu.be]

See the musicsheet.
[www.totalsheetmusic.com]

I'm hearing Charlie's first hit of the four on «Gold».

I hear different, at least on the studio version, and it was before I had a look at the musicsheet

I hear "Goo.." starting slighly before the 1, then "..old" continues on the 1. It's very light, like a 16th ahead of the beat 1

Dandelion

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