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Keith was spot on about rap. This, not so much. Maybe he means, like he did with rap, that it's not his kind of music.

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Keith was spot on about rap. This, not so much. Maybe he means, like he did with rap, that it's not his kind of music.

Then he should use his words to properly describe that sentiment.

And BTW, he was also wrong about rap. Not my cup of tea but hip hop has dominated the charts for ages.

In fact, it may even be close to rivalling rock music's domination of the charts.

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Keith was spot on about rap. This, not so much. Maybe he means, like he did with rap, that it's not his kind of music.

Then he should use his words to properly describe that sentiment.

And BTW, he was also wrong about rap. Not my cup of tea but hip hop has dominated the charts for ages.

In fact, it may even be close to rivalling rock music's domination of the charts.

Rap is immensely bigger culturally.

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What's she sound like ????

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Rockman
be more exciting to be marooned on a
desert island with an endless supply of mash potato ....

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The success of Taylor Swift is unbelievable. She sold in America almost a milloin physical copies in three days plus the singular songs topping the single charts, meaning they are also streamed helluva a lot. In absolute terms she doesn't compare, but relatively speaking, if compared to other artists nowadays, as a record seller she is doing better than The Beatles and Michael Jackson were in their hey-days.

Surely Swift is great and talented and best and everything, but I think that phenomenon like her enermous popularity happens speaks more of our times than of her so much superior excellence.

- Doxa

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The success of Taylor Swift is unbelievable. She sold in America almost a milloin physical copies in three days plus the singular songs topping the single charts, meaning they are also streamed helluva a lot. In absolute terms she doesn't compare, but relatively speaking, if compared to other artists nowadays, as a record seller she is doing better than The Beatles and Michael Jackson were in their hey-days.

Surely Swift is great and talented and best and everything, but I think that phenomenon like her enermous popularity happens speaks more of our times than of her so much superior excellence.

- Doxa

I think of 'parents' reactions to Elvis or The Rolling Stones, coming off of a life listening to Bing Crosby or Frank Sinatra. They just didn't 'get it'.

And I'm not defending whether or not this artist is 'good' or 'better' than what came before, but only that she's connecting with youth today, as we've had in the past with our own.

30 years on I still don't 'get' Hip Hop but understand I'm not the target market either so it doesn't matter, just like The Stones weren't trying to win over Dean Martin fans.

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The success of Taylor Swift is unbelievable. She sold in America almost a milloin physical copies in three days plus the singular songs topping the single charts, meaning they are also streamed helluva a lot. In absolute terms she doesn't compare, but relatively speaking, if compared to other artists nowadays, as a record seller she is doing better than The Beatles and Michael Jackson were in their hey-days.

Surely Swift is great and talented and best and everything, but I think that phenomenon like her enermous popularity happens speaks more of our times than of her so much superior excellence.

- Doxa

I think of 'parents' reactions to Elvis or The Rolling Stones, coming off of a life listening to Bing Crosby or Frank Sinatra. They just didn't 'get it'.

And I'm not defending whether or not this artist is 'good' or 'better' than what came before, but only that she's connecting with youth today, as we've had in the past with our own.

30 years on I still don't 'get' Hip Hop but understand I'm not the target market either so it doesn't matter, just like The Stones weren't trying to win over Dean Martin fans.

The difference between Elvis, the Stones and Taylor Swift is that the former two had some shock value and undoubtedly riled the elders, where as Taylor Swift is as safe as milk. Your mum probably likes her.

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The success of Taylor Swift is unbelievable. She sold in America almost a milloin physical copies in three days plus the singular songs topping the single charts, meaning they are also streamed helluva a lot. In absolute terms she doesn't compare, but relatively speaking, if compared to other artists nowadays, as a record seller she is doing better than The Beatles and Michael Jackson were in their hey-days.

Surely Swift is great and talented and best and everything, but I think that phenomenon like her enermous popularity happens speaks more of our times than of her so much superior excellence.

- Doxa

I think of 'parents' reactions to Elvis or The Rolling Stones, coming off of a life listening to Bing Crosby or Frank Sinatra. They just didn't 'get it'.

And I'm not defending whether or not this artist is 'good' or 'better' than what came before, but only that she's connecting with youth today, as we've had in the past with our own.

30 years on I still don't 'get' Hip Hop but understand I'm not the target market either so it doesn't matter, just like The Stones weren't trying to win over Dean Martin fans.

The difference between Elvis, the Stones and Taylor Swift is that the former two had some shock value and undoubtedly riled the elders, where as Taylor Swift is as safe as milk. Your mum probably likes her.

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The success of Taylor Swift is unbelievable. She sold in America almost a milloin physical copies in three days plus the singular songs topping the single charts, meaning they are also streamed helluva a lot. In absolute terms she doesn't compare, but relatively speaking, if compared to other artists nowadays, as a record seller she is doing better than The Beatles and Michael Jackson were in their hey-days.

Surely Swift is great and talented and best and everything, but I think that phenomenon like her enermous popularity happens speaks more of our times than of her so much superior excellence.

- Doxa

I think of 'parents' reactions to Elvis or The Rolling Stones, coming off of a life listening to Bing Crosby or Frank Sinatra. They just didn't 'get it'.

And I'm not defending whether or not this artist is 'good' or 'better' than what came before, but only that she's connecting with youth today, as we've had in the past with our own.

30 years on I still don't 'get' Hip Hop but understand I'm not the target market either so it doesn't matter, just like The Stones weren't trying to win over Dean Martin fans.

The difference between Elvis, the Stones and Taylor Swift is that the former two had some shock value and undoubtedly riled the elders, where as Taylor Swift is as safe as milk. Your mum probably likes her.

Fair enough, but how far can you take shock value? We've basically seen it all already. Look at your own comment ... basically dismissed because not enough shock value?

She's successful DESPITE no shock value. That to me says heaps.

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The success of Taylor Swift is unbelievable. She sold in America almost a milloin physical copies in three days plus the singular songs topping the single charts, meaning they are also streamed helluva a lot. In absolute terms she doesn't compare, but relatively speaking, if compared to other artists nowadays, as a record seller she is doing better than The Beatles and Michael Jackson were in their hey-days.

Surely Swift is great and talented and best and everything, but I think that phenomenon like her enermous popularity happens speaks more of our times than of her so much superior excellence.

- Doxa

I think of 'parents' reactions to Elvis or The Rolling Stones, coming off of a life listening to Bing Crosby or Frank Sinatra. They just didn't 'get it'.

And I'm not defending whether or not this artist is 'good' or 'better' than what came before, but only that she's connecting with youth today, as we've had in the past with our own.

30 years on I still don't 'get' Hip Hop but understand I'm not the target market either so it doesn't matter, just like The Stones weren't trying to win over Dean Martin fans.

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She's a talented musician.

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The success of Taylor Swift is unbelievable. She sold in America almost a milloin physical copies in three days plus the singular songs topping the single charts, meaning they are also streamed helluva a lot. In absolute terms she doesn't compare, but relatively speaking, if compared to other artists nowadays, as a record seller she is doing better than The Beatles and Michael Jackson were in their hey-days.

Surely Swift is great and talented and best and everything, but I think that phenomenon like her enermous popularity happens speaks more of our times than of her so much superior excellence.

- Doxa

I think of 'parents' reactions to Elvis or The Rolling Stones, coming off of a life listening to Bing Crosby or Frank Sinatra. They just didn't 'get it'.

And I'm not defending whether or not this artist is 'good' or 'better' than what came before, but only that she's connecting with youth today, as we've had in the past with our own.

30 years on I still don't 'get' Hip Hop but understand I'm not the target market either so it doesn't matter, just like The Stones weren't trying to win over Dean Martin fans.

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Keith was spot on about rap. This, not so much. Maybe he means, like he did with rap, that it's not his kind of music.

Then he should use his words to properly describe that sentiment.

And BTW, he was also wrong about rap. Not my cup of tea but hip hop has dominated the charts for ages.

In fact, it may even be close to rivalling rock music's domination of the charts.

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The success of Taylor Swift is unbelievable. She sold in America almost a milloin physical copies in three days plus the singular songs topping the single charts, meaning they are also streamed helluva a lot. In absolute terms she doesn't compare, but relatively speaking, if compared to other artists nowadays, as a record seller she is doing better than The Beatles and Michael Jackson were in their hey-days.

Surely Swift is great and talented and best and everything, but I think that phenomenon like her enermous popularity happens speaks more of our times than of her so much superior excellence.

- Doxa

I think of 'parents' reactions to Elvis or The Rolling Stones, coming off of a life listening to Bing Crosby or Frank Sinatra. They just didn't 'get it'.

And I'm not defending whether or not this artist is 'good' or 'better' than what came before, but only that she's connecting with youth today, as we've had in the past with our own.

30 years on I still don't 'get' Hip Hop but understand I'm not the target market either so it doesn't matter, just like The Stones weren't trying to win over Dean Martin fans.

Well, I think what I don't 'get' is her incredible popularity among her contemporaries. She plays pretty traditional, even conservative music, sweet country pop or whatever it is. Why she is so much more popular than anyone else stemming from that tradition or from any other tradition? Even the rap artists, so popular these days, are nothing compared to her in success. That she sells so many physical albums tells that she is not solely a pop sensation the kids love.(By contrast, the rap artists sell next to nothing in terms of physical sales, it's only streaming). Her audience must be huge and covering a lot of people from different generations.

What I mean by a sign of our times when pop music isn't any longer that culturally significiant is that when someone hits big, she or he really hits big. And forget the rest. The big gets bigger and the small smaller. And She's really in a class of her own in which no other artist EVER been. Some sort of strange domino effect of market and media. And the falling nature of music business.

All of this is nothing to belittle the talent of Taylor Swift, nor anything to be with my personal taste. But that she relatively speaking is making, if we just look at the statistics of today's music business, in her own context bigger impact than Elvis or The Beatles once did is just amazing.

EDIT: the way to understand the logic of the big getting bigger and the small smaller in today's decreasing music business, could be put: there must be people who once bought, say, 15 albums a year. Now they - or people like them - just buy one. And that, naturally, happens to be the hottest act of the day, Taylor Swift. If now one takes a look what happens in charts and sale numbers, one can see the consequences.

- Doxa

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Keith was spot on about rap. This, not so much. Maybe he means, like he did with rap, that it's not his kind of music.

Then he should use his words to properly describe that sentiment.

And BTW, he was also wrong about rap. Not my cup of tea but hip hop has dominated the charts for ages.

In fact, it may even be close to rivalling rock music's domination of the charts.

Keith never said rap wasn't popular. He basically said rap was crap, which it is, no matter how many people buy it. And yes, hip hop is different.

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The whole discussion here is meaningless. As much as I love Keith he is an old fart when it comes to music who only listens to the stuff that was present when he was young.

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Now, you kids, get off my lawn.......