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Re: What’s next from the vault?
Posted by: AntoineParis ()
Date: September 23, 2022 19:20

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The 1999 Shepherd’s Bush Empire gig?

We already have a 1999 No Security DVD. Is Shepherd's Bush Empire a different setlist?

oh hell yeah!

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the setlist

Shattered
It's Only Rock 'n' Roll (but I Like It)
Respectable
All Down THe Line
Some Girls
Melody
I Got The Blues
Brand New Car
Moon Is Up
Saint of Me
Honky Tonk Women (with Sheryl Crow)
Band Introductions
You Got the Silver
Before They Make Me Run
Route 66
You Got Me Rocking
Tumbling Dice
Brown Sugar
Jumpin' Jack Flash (encore)

Not appreciably different. I'm surprised how slowed down Shattered is. When I saw them in Anaheim they came out blazing with JJF.
It's more like the original tempo. I think that's much cooler than many of the rushed versions we have.

The 1994-95 version of Shattered is supreme. Especially 8-14-1994.

Sometimes slower is better. Shattered especially prospered from that.

The last thing Shattered needed was to be slowed down. It's a fast punkish song. When I saw them in 2005 they slowed Get Off of My Cloud almost down to a waltz. I prefer the relentless drive on Got Live If You Want It.

your wrong about shattered but right about get off of my cloud

2005 version is terrible and the version gliywi has never been beat

2005 was actually quite good IMHO. What I thought was really terrible were the speed up 2006 versions when Mick sang "hey! you! getoffamycloud". He sang "getoffamycloud" as if it was one word while the backing vocals sang is normal. It was just really strange.

The Salt Lake City 2005 version has got the same speed as the studio version! I just compared it. Can you tell which version is slow? btw some songs on Pheonix Theatre 2005 are VERY slow. Especially Tumbling Dice. Keith starts very slow and Charlie tries to speed up. Sounds funny.
. I think there IS a confusion with 19th nervous breakdown

Re: What’s next from the vault?
Posted by: Taylor1 ()
Date: September 23, 2022 20:59

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I think we must accept that sometimes the quality expected of a commercial release just isn't there in the surviving original sources.

On balance, I think I'd usually prefer to see and/or hear what we have than to get something that's been digitally mucked about with under the guise of "restoration". "

It's just that I wonder whether they could've done any more with Ladies & Gentlemen. Whilst I certainly wouldn't have like the producer to tinker too much, I'd have hoped they could at least create something that's listenable. I'll put the release on again soon, but I just don't recall it being very good.

Out of curiosity: what was the source of the scrapped 1972 live album? Could that not be worked on for a 'vault release?'
The problem with L&G in addition to it's crappy sound,is that although some tracks like Happy, Dead Flowers , Love in Vain are great, All Down the Line, JJ Flash, Street Fighting Man, Brown Sugar , Bitch , were done better at other shows on the tour

Re: What’s next from the vault?
Posted by: StonedRambler ()
Date: September 23, 2022 21:15

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I think we must accept that sometimes the quality expected of a commercial release just isn't there in the surviving original sources.

On balance, I think I'd usually prefer to see and/or hear what we have than to get something that's been digitally mucked about with under the guise of "restoration". "

It's just that I wonder whether they could've done any more with Ladies & Gentlemen. Whilst I certainly wouldn't have like the producer to tinker too much, I'd have hoped they could at least create something that's listenable. I'll put the release on again soon, but I just don't recall it being very good.

Out of curiosity: what was the source of the scrapped 1972 live album? Could that not be worked on for a 'vault release?'
The problem with L&G in addition to it's crappy sound,is that although some tracks like Happy, Dead Flowers , Love in Vain are great, All Down the Line, JJ Flash, Street Fighting Man, Brown Sugar , Bitch , were done better at other shows on the tour

Also right. I always felt like it didn't really showcase the magic that the 1972 tour had. The performance certainly plays a role but the sound as well, also the video who shows mainly close ups of Mick and Keith, not capturing anything of the energy in the room.

At least Some Girls live in Texas '78 fixed all of those things. It's the perfect documentation of the 1978 tour. Maybe they learned from L&G



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Re: What’s next from the vault?
Posted by: jamesfdouglas ()
Date: September 23, 2022 21:16

I wonder if the Dirty Work stuff we all know exists will ever see the light of day.

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Re: What’s next from the vault?
Posted by: 24FPS ()
Date: September 23, 2022 21:33

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I think we must accept that sometimes the quality expected of a commercial release just isn't there in the surviving original sources.

On balance, I think I'd usually prefer to see and/or hear what we have than to get something that's been digitally mucked about with under the guise of "restoration". "

It's just that I wonder whether they could've done any more with Ladies & Gentlemen. Whilst I certainly wouldn't have like the producer to tinker too much, I'd have hoped they could at least create something that's listenable. I'll put the release on again soon, but I just don't recall it being very good.

Out of curiosity: what was the source of the scrapped 1972 live album? Could that not be worked on for a 'vault release?'
The problem with L&G in addition to it's crappy sound,is that although some tracks like Happy, Dead Flowers , Love in Vain are great, All Down the Line, JJ Flash, Street Fighting Man, Brown Sugar , Bitch , were done better at other shows on the tour

Also right. I always felt like it didn't really showcase the magic that the 1972 tour had. The performance certainly plays a role but the sound as well, also the video who shows mainly close ups of Mick and Keith, not capturing anything of the energy in the room.

At least Some Girls live in Texas '78 fixed all of those things. It's the perfect documentation of the 1978 tour. Maybe they learned from L&G

I'd say it was a perfect representation of them playing in a small space. I don't think the Stadium gigs were as great. At least not the one I saw in Cleveland, which was the perfect use of the term shambolic. We get L&G because that's what was filmed. Does anyone know any other '72 gigs that were professionally shot?

Re: What’s next from the vault?
Posted by: ProfessorWolf ()
Date: September 24, 2022 00:43

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The 1999 Shepherd’s Bush Empire gig?

We already have a 1999 No Security DVD. Is Shepherd's Bush Empire a different setlist?

oh hell yeah!

have a look





the setlist

Shattered
It's Only Rock 'n' Roll (but I Like It)
Respectable
All Down THe Line
Some Girls
Melody
I Got The Blues
Brand New Car
Moon Is Up
Saint of Me
Honky Tonk Women (with Sheryl Crow)
Band Introductions
You Got the Silver
Before They Make Me Run
Route 66
You Got Me Rocking
Tumbling Dice
Brown Sugar
Jumpin' Jack Flash (encore)

Not appreciably different. I'm surprised how slowed down Shattered is. When I saw them in Anaheim they came out blazing with JJF.
It's more like the original tempo. I think that's much cooler than many of the rushed versions we have.

The 1994-95 version of Shattered is supreme. Especially 8-14-1994.

Sometimes slower is better. Shattered especially prospered from that.

The last thing Shattered needed was to be slowed down. It's a fast punkish song. When I saw them in 2005 they slowed Get Off of My Cloud almost down to a waltz. I prefer the relentless drive on Got Live If You Want It.

your wrong about shattered but right about get off of my cloud

2005 version is terrible and the version gliywi has never been beat

2005 was actually quite good IMHO. What I thought was really terrible were the speed up 2006 versions when Mick sang "hey! you! getoffamycloud". He sang "getoffamycloud" as if it was one word while the backing vocals sang is normal. It was just really strange.

The Salt Lake City 2005 version has got the same speed as the studio version! I just compared it. Can you tell which version is slow? btw some songs on Pheonix Theatre 2005 are VERY slow. Especially Tumbling Dice. Keith starts very slow and Charlie tries to speed up. Sounds funny.
. I think there IS a confusion with 19th nervous breakdown

yep you're right at least in my case i was confusing 19thnb with goomc

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