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How many times do I have to say there are not coming.
Even Carl Denson has dates booked in the fall.
Still not spelled right...
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Cooltoplady
How many times do I have to say there are not coming.
Even Carl Denson has dates booked in the fall.
Still not spelled right...
Ok you got me. My first name is actually Carly I never seen Carly start with a K. Sorry Karl!
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Stoneage
Next in line should be South America, Japan and Australia. If the follow their standard manual. USA in 2023 then if everyone is willing and able.
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TumblinDice76
But what is the draw for the US in 2023. More of the same? Ghost Town isn't new anymore, The Celebration of Charlie was in 2021, I feelvlike they would at least have to change something up like adding a mini Exile Set or Let it Bleed set or something unique. Ticket prices are quite high for something we've already seen. Rotating 1 or 2 songs isn't enough for me anymore to justify the $ to go.
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Next in line should be South America, Japan and Australia. If the follow their standard manual. USA in 2023 then if everyone is willing and able.
Should be but the logistics of moving equipment means a big financial hit. That's why I think it will be US or Europe/UK. Shipping the stage from South America to Japan to Australia would cost a fortune and not sure those markets would pay,
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To say they've played every market in the US in 2019/2021 just isn't true. Manhattan being the most obvious missing city, but there are several others. Almost all of their 2021 shows here were nearly, if not completely sold out. Canada is also overdue a run. There are hundreds of stadiums, arenas, and theaters to choose from in North America.
Regardless of the boxscores, St Louis, LA1 and probably some other stadiums were only 75% full. LA1 was discounted all the way down to $5 but not hundred percent sure where (one said his girlfriend is a first responder) but heard this from 2 different people who don't know each other. So saying nearly and completely sold out just isn't true.
Not sure if Manhattan can be counted as it's own market since there isn't a stadium there. Depending on how a tour is scheduled, more NJ/NY stadium shows would be very possible for late summer/early fall/late spring but don't think we will see them at MSG again as there are other more lucrative venues and their own self imposed limits.
The 'market' ticket system prices to maximize revenue per venue. They could CLEARLY sell out any stadium in North America if the ticket price were $50 on average. So that's why 'selling out' really is meaningless. Your example of selling tickets for $5 to first responders, if true is simply an example of the market price being too high for the local market and at the last minute they needed to fill up some space.
No matter what, the Stones maximize their revenue in that market.
Just over 35,000 in New Orleans in 2019 at the Superdome. Given the Jazz Fest situation, which would've had probably closer to 100,000 people...
U2 had basically the same amount in 2017.
Prior to their previous shows/tours?
No wonder both stopped showing up:
U2 in 1997 - just over 21,000 of 25,000 available.
TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND available! That's ridiculous!
Stones in 1994 - just over 32,000 out of 40,000 available.
32,000 paid for but... I recall reading that only 19,000 actually attended.
I was at both. Seemed like a lot less for both, more so the Stones!!!
U2's 1997 US tour undersold big time: a majority of shows did not sell out and a good bit of them didn't even get half the attendance available.
Stones 1994? A majority of shows sold out but there were just a handful that didn't.
Who knows.
Years later U2 would destroy the Stones' attendance and gross record by a respectable amount ie far less shows.
It's interesting that they've gone back and forth since from the 1990s onward in that regard (U2's ZOOROPA tour's B-stage inspired the Stones VOODOO B-stage).
Those days are over. They've been over for quite a while now and it will remain a thing of the past. No artist or band will ever come close to what the The Stones and U2 have done.
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Stoneage
Next in line should be South America, Japan and Australia. If the follow their standard manual. USA in 2023 then if everyone is willing and able.
Should be but the logistics of moving equipment means a big financial hit. That's why I think it will be US or Europe/UK. Shipping the stage from South America to Japan to Australia would cost a fortune and not sure those markets would pay,
For what it worth, just received a message from the energy provider. To be expected: +20% in August, then +40% en September, and +50% in October. That's 110% increase. So much for the cost of stage shipping.
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But what is the draw for the US in 2023. More of the same? Ghost Town isn't new anymore, The Celebration of Charlie was in 2021, I feelvlike they would at least have to change something up like adding a mini Exile Set or Let it Bleed set or something unique. Ticket prices are quite high for something we've already seen. Rotating 1 or 2 songs isn't enough for me anymore to justify the $ to go.
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Next in line should be South America, Japan and Australia. If the follow their standard manual. USA in 2023 then if everyone is willing and able.
Should be but the logistics of moving equipment means a big financial hit. That's why I think it will be US or Europe/UK. Shipping the stage from South America to Japan to Australia would cost a fortune and not sure those markets would pay,
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Stoneage
Next in line should be South America, Japan and Australia. If the follow their standard manual. USA in 2023 then if everyone is willing and able.
Should be but the logistics of moving equipment means a big financial hit. That's why I think it will be US or Europe/UK. Shipping the stage from South America to Japan to Australia would cost a fortune and not sure those markets would pay,
You're not thinking currently. The past is the past.
They bring X amount... stages are stages with the 60 stage, which is scaled way back.
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Dan
I am sure most of the components of the actual stage can be sourced in North America.
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TumblinDice76
But what is the draw for the US in 2023. More of the same? Ghost Town isn't new anymore, The Celebration of Charlie was in 2021, I feelvlike they would at least have to change something up like adding a mini Exile Set or Let it Bleed set or something unique. Ticket prices are quite high for something we've already seen. Rotating 1 or 2 songs isn't enough for me anymore to justify the $ to go.
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But what is the draw for the US in 2023. More of the same?
Otherwise, yes, no reason to go see the same show again unless...
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Cooltoplady
They are not coming
If they were coming in Sept and Oct. announced in August. That would leave 4 weeks to sell tickets for the first show. It’s not gonna happen.
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But what is the draw for the US in 2023. More of the same?
Otherwise, yes, no reason to go see the same show again unless...
Main reason to see them again is because every show is different. How much setlist variation was there during the '72-'73 tours, yet all the shows have their own magic, like today. The Sixty tour has been surpassing my expectations, excellent stuff from the group.Quote
Cooltoplady
They are not coming
If they were coming in Sept and Oct. announced in August. That would leave 4 weeks to sell tickets for the first show. It’s not gonna happen.
Yes, that's a reasonable conclusion. Would be great if they did a handful of shows in the far east and South America before finishing the new album and returning with a US Tour in '23.
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MisterDDDD
How naive to think Denson's schedule isn't relevant. Indicates what they (the sidemen, etc) know at the time (ie when he booked them), which is a lot more than speculation here. If he has some (only a couple currently) in the fall, strong indication they will be on hiatus or .. nearby. Both not likely the case here though as he doesn't have many fall dates listed and the couple that are likely cancelable at the drop of a hat.
The last two (3?) times they've tried to play JF for example, Denson's schedule was out weeks before any official Stones announcement and every time he had a side gig scheduled nearby in NO near the date they tried to play.
I'll be watching his schedule as it stretches out past Feb, a New Orleans area gig around Apr-May wouldn't surprise me.
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artedm
stadium dates in the usa would be around the NFL game schedule
think would just be a few cities they have not played in years
maybe starting in october
for example :
nj stadium not since 2019
chicago not since 2019
maybe canada maybe mexico
B.C. Place Vancouver not made up from 2020