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GerardHennessy

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You can say anything you like, but saying they don't play with passion is not an opinion. It's just wrong.

I beg to differ fellow-fan. There can never be one single, defined, universally agreed definition of what is right or wrong in music. There can certainly be as many different OPINIONS on that point as there are people in attendance at any concert. And beyond it too.

I get no pleasure, or sense of superiority from saying I thought the performance in Paris was average. I did not go to the expense of travelling quite some way, and pay what I did for tickets, to end up feeling rather disappointed. It is the fifth concert I went to on this tour. Not what you would expect from someone who simply wants to find fault, especially given the costs and effort involved.

If you feel differently, good luck to you. As a Stones fan I am genuinely thrilled you did not have the reaction I had. I waited for three days to post my views to ensure I was being as balanced and fair as I could be in what I wrote. But what I said, and what others have said in response, constitutes the honest, genuinely held, views of different people. All of whom heard what THEY heard. Enjoyed - or not - what THEY saw. And hold the views THEY now hold. And rightly so.

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Topi
Just a question, GerardHennessy, which other shows did you see on this tour and how do you compare them / can you compare them, performance-wise?

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Topi
Just a question, GerardHennessy, which other shows did you see on this tour and how do you compare them / can you compare them, performance-wise?

A perfectly fair and valid question. The five comprised all three UK shows, plus Amsterdam and now Paris in Europe. My health does not really equip me to travel too far beyond the UK - hence Paris and Amsterdam.

Performance-wise I thought Hyde Park 2 was the best, followed by Anfield. I sensed greater energy in the band on each of those. But in truth there was not much in it. Overall i'm afraid the word that best summarised everything for me is underwhelming. Not awful, or poor, or bad or worthless. Just underwhelming and rather uninspiring.

Others will feel differently AND I TOTALLY RESPECT THAT FACT. In truth i'm pleased they do. I love The Stones too much to want them to subside into retirement. Or death. I want them go go out on a high.

The problem for me right now is I don't think they will go out on a high. I hope I'm wrong...

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keefriffhards
This talk of not playing with the same passion as 20 years ago etc, i'ts just ridiculas, Mick and Keith are 80 years old next year, please tell me how much more passion you want or expect from them at this age, watch keith play his solo set this tour and tell me doesnt have enough passion.

Come on keep it real, they are giving it everything thay got and more besides, i know it's just your opionion but it's being troll like in reality.

Paris was an excellent gig period.

This enough passion for you
[www.youtube.com]

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This talk of not playing with the same passion as 20 years ago etc, i'ts just ridiculas, Mick and Keith are 80 years old next year, please tell me how much more passion you want or expect from them at this age, watch keith play his solo set this tour and tell me doesnt have enough passion.

Come on keep it real, they are giving it everything thay got and more besides, i know it's just your opionion but it's being troll like in reality.

Paris was an excellent gig period.

This enough passion for you
[www.youtube.com]

Mick and Keith are extraordinary individuals.To play two-hour concerts at roughly four day intervals in stadia all across Europe - and the US last year - is truly phenomenal. Especially so given their ages. And I never said they lacked passion. What I said was that the performances were uninspiring. Not bad, or poor, just uninspiring.

But as a paying customer I am entitled to my opinion. Right or wrong, I have a perfect right to hold it. And to express it with respect to those who hold a different view. Good people like yourself. Nevertheless I am disinclined to make allowances for a lessening of energy because of age. If the band go out on the road then they must expect to be judged by the standards that apply to ALL performers. That goes with the territory.

In the past year I have seen both John Mayall (89 and counting) and Hawkwind led by Dave Brock (80 and counting). Both performed to the same level as always. Both, incidentally, also featured vastly changed setlists from when I last saw them over three years ago. Had they performed uninspiringly, or with diminished intensity I should have said so without hesitation. If my money is good enough to accept in return for an admission ticket, then my opinion must be equally acceptable.

But the key point here is that YOU enjoyed the performances you have seen. I suspect many, many other people have too. Good luck to you all. At the end of the day, that is what it is all about. Pleasing the customers. Or most of them at any rate.

Keep on rocking my friend!

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gotdablouse
They kept going without Charlie, I doubt they would stop if Ronnie couldn't make it. Think Waddy !

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BowieStone

Completely wrong to even debate it.

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keefriffhards
This talk of not playing with the same passion as 20 years ago etc, i'ts just ridiculas, Mick and Keith are 80 years old next year, please tell me how much more passion you want or expect from them at this age, watch keith play his solo set this tour and tell me doesnt have enough passion.

Come on keep it real, they are giving it everything thay got and more besides, i know it's just your opionion but it's being troll like in reality.

Paris was an excellent gig period.

This enough passion for you
[www.youtube.com]

Mick and Keith are extraordinary individuals.To play two-hour concerts at roughly four day intervals in stadia all across Europe - and the US last year - is truly phenomenal. Especially so given their ages. And I never said they lacked passion. What I said was that the performances were uninspiring. Not bad, or poor, just uninspiring.

But as a paying customer I am entitled to my opinion. Right or wrong, I have a perfect right to hold it. And to express it with respect to those who hold a different view. Good people like yourself. Nevertheless I am disinclined to make allowances for a lessening of energy because of age. If the band go out on the road then they must expect to be judged by the standards that apply to ALL performers. That goes with the territory.

In the past year I have seen both John Mayall (89 and counting) and Hawkwind led by Dave Brock (80 and counting). Both performed to the same level as always. Both, incidentally, also featured vastly changed setlists from when I last saw them over three years ago. Had they performed uninspiringly, or with diminished intensity I should have said so without hesitation. If my money is good enough to accept in return for an admission ticket, then my opinion must be equally acceptable.

But the key point here is that YOU enjoyed the performances you have seen. I suspect many, many other people have too. Good luck to you all. At the end of the day, that is what it is all about. Pleasing the customers. Or most of them at any rate.

Keep on rocking my friend!

I know it wasn't you that said they are playing with no passion, i wasnt referring to you using troll like behaviour my friend, you give a thoughtfull honest account of how you see things and i appreciate that and understand what you are saying and obviously there is some truth in all that although i don't necessarily agree with it.

Definitely agree that the Stones are expected to deliver at their ages when they charge so much to see them, and i think they do, they stand up to comparrison going back 10 years now, especially keith.

Of course at almost 80 the next tour should drop a couple tracks from the set list like Miss You or Gemmi Shelter ( if it's with Sasha ) and that will enable them to have the energy needed to sustain the intensity of the dilivery for this music. But in saying that they would be required to charge 30% less to see them and that would be fair, i think a 17 song show would be acceptable if it was presented with energy and passion.
Personaly although Mick and Keith could continue, i get the feeling this is the last time, i think it's why Keith is determined to bow out in such a commited way, he really is giving everything he has to give, another reason this is probably the last time is due to Ronnie, although playing better in the last two shows he has clearly been struggling, he just isnt playing very well and i could be wrong but i can't see him being able to do it phyically next year. Hope i'm wrong though.

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keefriffhards
This talk of not playing with the same passion as 20 years ago etc, i'ts just ridiculas, Mick and Keith are 80 years old next year, please tell me how much more passion you want or expect from them at this age, watch keith play his solo set this tour and tell me doesnt have enough passion.

Come on keep it real, they are giving it everything thay got and more besides, i know it's just your opionion but it's being troll like in reality.

Paris was an excellent gig period.

This enough passion for you
[www.youtube.com]

Mick and Keith are extraordinary individuals.To play two-hour concerts at roughly four day intervals in stadia all across Europe - and the US last year - is truly phenomenal. Especially so given their ages. And I never said they lacked passion. What I said was that the performances were uninspiring. Not bad, or poor, just uninspiring.

But as a paying customer I am entitled to my opinion. Right or wrong, I have a perfect right to hold it. And to express it with respect to those who hold a different view. Good people like yourself. Nevertheless I am disinclined to make allowances for a lessening of energy because of age. If the band go out on the road then they must expect to be judged by the standards that apply to ALL performers. That goes with the territory.

In the past year I have seen both John Mayall (89 and counting) and Hawkwind led by Dave Brock (80 and counting). Both performed to the same level as always. Both, incidentally, also featured vastly changed setlists from when I last saw them over three years ago. Had they performed uninspiringly, or with diminished intensity I should have said so without hesitation. If my money is good enough to accept in return for an admission ticket, then my opinion must be equally acceptable.

But the key point here is that YOU enjoyed the performances you have seen. I suspect many, many other people have too. Good luck to you all. At the end of the day, that is what it is all about. Pleasing the customers. Or most of them at any rate.

Keep on rocking my friend!

I know it wasn't you that said they are playing with no passion, i wasnt referring to you using troll like behaviour my friend, you give a thoughtfull honest account of how you see things and i appreciate that and understand what you are saying and obviously there is some truth in all that although i don't necessarily agree with it.

Definitely agree that the Stones are expected to deliver at their ages when they charge so much to see them, and i think they do, they stand up to comparrison going back 10 years now, especially keith.

Of course at almost 80 the next tour should drop a couple tracks from the set list like Miss You or Gemmi Shelter ( if it's with Sasha ) and that will enable them to have the energy needed to sustain the intensity of the dilivery for this music. But in saying that they would be required to charge 30% less to see them and that would be fair, i think a 17 song show would be acceptable if it was presented with energy and passion.
Personaly although Mick and Keith could continue, i get the feeling this is the last time, i think it's why Keith is determined to bow out in such a commited way, he really is giving everything he has to give, another reason this is probably the last time is due to Ronnie, although playing better in the last two shows he has clearly been struggling, he just isnt playing very well and i could be wrong but i can't see him being able to do it phyically next year. Hope i'm wrong though.

Thank you for your very gracious and insightful reply. To be honest I think that, as fellow Stones fans, our views overlap far more than they differ. The fact that there is still debate, discussion, and constructive disagreement occasionally about The Stones is all great. As the legendary actress Mae West said sometime in the 1940's. 'There is only one thing worse than being talked about, and that is NOT being talked about'. Thank God people are still writing about, agreeing about, disagreeing about, and happily arguing about, The Stones.

It has been like that for 58 of my 71 years on this earth. I hope it goes on for another few years yet. In whatever way works best for the band themselves, and also their legend.

Rock On my friend. May the sunshine never bore the daylights out of you (to misquote Rocks Off, my favourite ever Stones track)

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I don't always watch my videos back but I just watched Jumping Jack Flash from Paris and I was rather pleased with it! 99% focusing on the main action, smooth transitions, some nice tight shots so you feel like you are right there etc...

Jumping Jack Flash - Paris

I upload full songs every show so if you haven't subscribed (for free) please do so and you can get notifications when I put up new songs. Everyones positive response makes the videos really enjoyable to do. Thank you

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Topi
The bass sound was very good in Paris overall.

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I don't always watch my videos back but I just watched Jumping Jack Flash from Paris and I was rather pleased with it! 99% focusing on the main action, smooth transitions, some nice tight shots so you feel like you are right there etc...

Jumping Jack Flash - Paris

I upload full songs every show so if you haven't subscribed (for free) please do so and you can get notifications when I put up new songs. Everyones positive response makes the videos really enjoyable to do. Thank you

Thanks Matt for making this a fantastic tour for people that can't make the shows, you really are a trouper and you get so close to them picking up interactions and moments no one else captures. Enjoy the last two shows mate

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Topi
The bass sound was very good in Paris overall.

The sound quality of the whole concert in Paris was outstanding.

Open field, no wind, mild temperature, everything was perfect, a concert for the ages.

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anyone?

Hey ProfessorWolf, thx for your work on the multicam!! Just downloaded the videos, she recorded 4 parts

Enjoy!

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GerardHennessy
Re: Tour 2022 rumors - The Rolling Stones
Posted by: GerardHennessy ()
Date: January 27, 2022 15:28

Always a strong possibility given the 60th anniversary milestone.

For me, sadly, I shall not be attending any of these events. My personal experience is that The Stones have ceased to be relevant in any way other than as a nostalgia-fest. Having seen them several time over the last ten years I now realise I just attended pretty-much the same event over and over. A warhorse rich set-list, an almost unchanging run through the same 18-20 numbers, and a sense that everything was geared to recreating what happened when they performed forty years ago.

I stress that what I am expressing here is very much a personal view. I am not criticising anyone, least of all the band, for sustaining the current approach to performances. It is a free world, and there is certainly an appetite for what The Stones do. Good luck to them, and to the fans that that will flock to their next tour, stock up on merchandise, and sing along to Start Me Up, Honky Tonk Women, Jumpin' Jack Flash and Satisfaction.

So why do I feel as I do? I guess it is because I grew up worshipping a band that really were at the cutting edge of rock music. Glamorous, dangerous, edgy, unafraid to challenge the dinosaurs of the music business. Parents hated them. The establishment were terrified of them. Politicians, churches, old-fashioned pop singers lined up to criticise and condemn them. Now these very same socio-economic, religious and political groupings form the vanguard of their fan base. Oh dear!

Fifty three years ago I spent almost my entire wage packet on Let It Bleed. I brought it home, and devoured it for weeks on end. It was dark. It was disturbing. It was debauched. It was dangerous. And, gratifyingly, it horrified my parents. But it made me feel like The Stones were doing things with music that related to the challenges I faced, the hopes I held, and the ambitions I harboured. It felt RELEVANT. Little did I know then that there would come a time when it would all become processed, packaged, photo-shopped and pumped out like an old-tyme music hall singalong.

Sing-a-Longa Stones! Heaven help us all!