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It was pretty good, but Ronnie's solo let it down, it was pretty directionless and pretty sloppy. Just compare it to MT at Glastonbury in 2013, not even in the same ballpark. Even compared to his own solo in 2015 at the Fonda.

Ronnie's style of playing is much more suited to the type of solo he plays on MR.

I wish there was an emoji for “blue in the face,” but I’ll keep saying it. Both Keith and Ronnie’s signals are too dry. They simplified their setup beginning in 2012 (I’m guessing because modern PA systems have gotten so much better).

Ronnie’s technique isn’t what it used to be, but he’s not far off. It’s that his tone is unforgiving. Go listen to him on “Undercover” or “Miss You” in Atlantic City ‘89. There was more grease in the signal chain; hence his playing was effortless.

I miss those days when each guitar player's tone really set them apart. Especially miss Ronnie's slithery tone. Remember back in B2B days, he'd have a few different amps back there to choose from, now he's been sticking to those Fender Jumbo amps.

Yup. And, as I speculate above, the reasoning is that you can now get a big, articulate, clean sound out of smaller amps or even no amp at all. But it doesn’t suit them well. It’s great for, say, Paul Simon or Steely Dan, where you want to hear every note in pristine isolation. But the Stones sounded just fine — transcendent, in fact — with an old-fashioned stage blend.

“Slithery” is so perfect. Listen to how he slithers back in at 3:07 here:

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Nothing to say except for Ronnie's solo, which spoils the whole thing. It was different with Mick Taylor in 2013 at the same place for sure.

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Nothing to say except for Ronnie's solo, which spoils the whole thing. It was different with Mick Taylor in 2013 at the same place for sure.

Taylor fluffed all his solo spots in 2013 and 2014. In hindsight, Taylor's appearances just didn't live up to our expectations.

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He was great however on Can’t You Hear Me Knocking at Glastonbury.Keith is awful on Can’t You Hear Me Knocking at Hyde Park. Mistakes , no sense of rhythm .How you can say Taylor muffed his parts and Keith was great is ridiculous. His solo at Glastonbury was the best on that tour. Even Jagger said it was @#$%& great at the end

Just a load of bollocks. And not even a matter of taste: Taylor's solo at Glastonburry was unrehearsed, full of mistakes, useless noodling: just check youtube.

I was there at Hyde Park -Keith sounded great on CYHMK, rough and dirty, and he simply played very good, better than I had expected from him these days. And the fact that Steven Jordan played it more straightforward actually gave the song a new hook, it made it an interesting new rendition.

Mathijs[/quoteThats ridiculous.Keith’s playing is riddled with mistakes and bum notes despite playing simple guitar.He is hardly playing anything a novice guitarist couldn’t play well. The songs performance is flaccid. The Glastonbury one is “@#$%& great” like Mick said.Check out Charlie’s face during it. Taylor’s solo is beautiful and builds to a great ending.I agree some of his performances were not great on those shows, but we could spend hours discussing why including the small window he was given to warm up and play. One can expect the usual Taylor bashing from you, which is deeply disappointing given how much you claim toknow about guitar playing.And I have heard it on YouTube many times and it’s not riddled with mistakes.Only great.

Have you played CYHMK yourself?

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I was at the show with my wife and two daughters. We all thought it was a fantastic show and loved every minute. Isn't that what is important? All the talk about weak solos, amp setups from 2012 or 1989 or if MT's style was better than Ronnie's is irrelevant. Live in the moment - go to a show and enjoy it without the pointless comparison with the past.

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Can’t You Hear Me Knocking? I missed the very first seconds and last 18 seconds due to camera. Uploaded in part 2

The Rolling Stones, Can’t You Hear Me Knocking? Hyde Park, 25-06-2022
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Such a pity you missed the start of that, probably one of Keith greatest moments in resent history, the sound you recorded was excellent, Thank you so much Christiaan

PS. Do you mind telling us what you recorded that on, amazing sound quality.

You’re right it was a great moment, but just put my camera away. I do make just a bit of videos and lot’s of photos on my Canon Powershot SX740HS 40x zoom. But it was a bit cold, so stop for some moments. For this day I used the camera mode. Never did that before. Normally just push the film button. That works better, because now I realized the film was cut in two, camera said film is to long because of 4K. Never had that before. That is why the last 19 seconds were cut off.
The info of the camera is in the YouTube info as wel. Sometimes I use my iPhone 12s or my older camera Sony Cybershot HX60V 30x zoom. The info on YouTube is also for myself to see the diverance in sound of the footage self.

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Nothing to say except for Ronnie's solo, which spoils the whole thing. It was different with Mick Taylor in 2013 at the same place for sure.

Taylor fluffed all his solo spots in 2013 and 2014. In hindsight, Taylor's appearances just didn't live up to our expectations.

Mathijs

He was great however on Can’t You Hear Me Knocking at Glastonbury.Keith is awful on Can’t You Hear Me Knocking at Hyde Park. Mistakes , no sense of rhythm .How you can say Taylor muffed his parts and Keith was great is ridiculous. His solo at Glastonbury was the best on that tour. Even Jagger said it was @#$%& great at the end

Just a load of bollocks. And not even a matter of taste: Taylor's solo at Glastonburry was unrehearsed, full of mistakes, useless noodling: just check youtube.

I was there at Hyde Park -Keith sounded great on CYHMK, rough and dirty, and he simply played very good, better than I had expected from him these days. And the fact that Steven Jordan played it more straightforward actually gave the song a new hook, it made it an interesting new rendition.

Mathijs[/quoteThats ridiculous.Keith’s playing is riddled with mistakes and bum notes despite playing simple guitar.He is hardly playing anything a novice guitarist couldn’t play well. The songs performance is flaccid. The Glastonbury one is “@#$%& great” like Mick said.Check out Charlie’s face during it. Taylor’s solo is beautiful and builds to a great ending.I agree some of his performances were not great on those shows, but we could spend hours discussing why including the small window he was given to warm up and play. One can expect the usual Taylor bashing from you, which is deeply disappointing given how much you claim toknow about guitar playing.And I have heard it on YouTube many times and it’s not riddled with mistakes.Only great.

Have you played CYHMK yourself?

Another irrelevant comment.You are always at your best badmouthing Mick Taylor. It’s not about him anyway.

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How has that question anything to do with badmouthing anyone?

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How has that question anything to do with badmouthing anyone?

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Keith’s playing is riddled with mistakes and bum notes despite playing simple guitar.He is hardly playing anything a novice guitarist couldn’t play well. The songs performance is flaccid.

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The basic riffs of CYHMK are easy to play, but to make it sound tight with good timing is a bit more tricky. Keith is not capable of playing it like on the studio version nowadays. Same thing happens with other songs like Rocks Off where his timing and playing is just so clumsy that it doesn't sound very good live anymore.

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A shortened five minute mini-version of CYHMK is a sinful crime in itself, but then to hear it without Charlie Watts, Bobby Keys, and Mick Taylor just adds salt to the wound.
Aside from Keith sounding alright, hard to find anything to truly praise with the latest version. Would prefer they shorten Miss You instead.

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No, not at all. Loved it.

When Taylor returned not even he could do the Taylor solo in a way that would satisfy Mathijs. So it was shorter than before.

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I was at the show with my wife and two daughters. We all thought it was a fantastic show and loved every minute. Isn't that what is important? All the talk about weak solos, amp setups from 2012 or 1989 or if MT's style was better than Ronnie's is irrelevant. Live in the moment - go to a show and enjoy it without the pointless comparison with the past.

Ok. Carlos Santana then, re CYHMK. He stil seems to be relevant

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Thats ridiculous.Keith’s playing is riddled with mistakes and bum notes despite playing simple guitar.He is hardly playing anything a novice guitarist couldn’t play well. The songs performance is flaccid.

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How does anyone come to judge them? If they stood on stage without sound, they would still fill stadiums. No, they are not flawless. But they are the Rolling Stones.