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Shott
Hi I'm not a musician. I've read in several places that the Stones are unique in that Keith kept the time and Charlie followed. What are some good examples where I could hear that and maybe compared to another non-Stones song where the drummer keeps time? Or maybe it's just everywhere all the time and I need to figure it out. Thanks.
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yeababyyea
Here's an example when Keith starts off JJF at pretty much the same speed, Charlie follows his tempo but Steve "corrects" it. I think Charlie's approach gave the band an interesting dynamic feel.
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yeababyyea
Here's an example when Keith starts off JJF at pretty much the same speed, Charlie follows his tempo but Steve "corrects" it. I think Charlie's approach gave the band an interesting dynamic feel.
Well, that's what it is. You can't objectively tell if Keith is playing on the beat or playing ahead of it since there is no real timing reference. But what you can surely say is that Keith is ahead of Charlie and Charlie is following Keith.Quote
Shott
Thanks. I thought it was more that the drummer keeps time like as in there are time bars (1,2,3,4) and the drummer hits on the beat, whereas in Stones Keith "percusses" the guitar on the time beat and charlie lags a bit behind, giving it the famous "roll."
Good question. But it's hard to seperate with the Stones when we're talking about Charlie following Keith.Quote
TheflyingDutchman
A bit confusing. Are we referring to tempo or timing in this thread?
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StonedRamblerGood question. But it's hard to seperate with the Stones when we're talking about Charlie following Keith.Quote
TheflyingDutchman
A bit confusing. Are we referring to tempo or timing in this thread?
Absolutely, while there is a general tendency of Keith being ahead of Charlie it's not something you could easily replicate by just moving the guitar of a recording forward and the drums back. There's also a lot of "wobble" involved. And rules are there to be broken, so there are also times where Keith is behind CharlieQuote
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StonedRamblerGood question. But it's hard to seperate with the Stones when we're talking about Charlie following Keith.Quote
TheflyingDutchman
A bit confusing. Are we referring to tempo or timing in this thread?
If you put the speed of any Stones song at X 0,5, you can hear that sometimes Charlie's beat is ahead of Keith, and vice versa. We are talking maybe 15 or 20 milliseconds here, and you would only feel it as a certain groove. Actually it is physically impossible to get the timing at zero milliseconds sharp for any rhythm section. Every band that grooves has a "roll".
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StonedRamblerAbsolutely, while there is a general tendency of Keith being ahead of Charlie it's not something you could easily replicate by just moving the guitar of a recording forward and the drums back. There's also a lot of "wobble" involved. And rules are there to be broken, so there are also times where Keith is behind CharlieQuote
TheflyingDutchmanQuote
StonedRamblerGood question. But it's hard to seperate with the Stones when we're talking about Charlie following Keith.Quote
TheflyingDutchman
A bit confusing. Are we referring to tempo or timing in this thread?
If you put the speed of any Stones song at X 0,5, you can hear that sometimes Charlie's beat is ahead of Keith, and vice versa. We are talking maybe 15 or 20 milliseconds here, and you would only feel it as a certain groove. Actually it is physically impossible to get the timing at zero milliseconds sharp for any rhythm section. Every band that grooves has a "roll".