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It's mainly the prices on concert tickets that have skyrocketed. In 1990, for example the price for a concert ticket was about 1,5 that of an LP. In other words affordable for most.

You got that right. In 1994, I bought a pit ticket for Pearl Jam for $19.

Pearl Jam ????? Jeeeeeeez*s, this isn't even comparing apples with pears. We're talking about a proud, beautiful Siberiaan tiger next to a poodle dog. They're okay, Pearl Jam (I know them well because one of my daughters used to be a fan), but get real here.

You totally missed the point, I was talking about how high ticket prices have gone. I was not comparing Pearl Jam to The Rolling Stones. That said, Pearl Jam is one of the biggest, most respected, most successful acts in rock history, not to mention the last 30 years. Your analogy is way off.

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Isn't it strange? The less you get, the more you pay. I'd pay $300 USD to see the '72 Stones in concert. I wouldn't pay $100 USD to see the current version. I didn't go near the bloated prices at Sofi when they played Los Angeles. Just like I won't go near there for the upcoming McCartney concert next month. Paul's voice is just about gone, but you'll pay exorbitant prices to hear it.

It's all relevant. Someone paid $5,300,000 for a copy of Superman Comics #1. Not the first appearance, which was Action Comics #1, but a book that was a reprint of early Superman stories.

The Rolling Stones no longer have relevance. They're a commodity. There's no novelty, no surprise. You don't even get what you paid for. All these vintage acts are just vacuuming up all the money they can before retirement.

Not all. Bob Dylan and his band still bring it. The Ryman show was sublime.

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in fact it's hard to say what I hate more – people singing along or people filming/taking selfies

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Isn't it strange? The less you get, the more you pay. I'd pay $300 USD to see the '72 Stones in concert. I wouldn't pay $100 USD to see the current version. I didn't go near the bloated prices at Sofi when they played Los Angeles. Just like I won't go near there for the upcoming McCartney concert next month. Paul's voice is just about gone, but you'll pay exorbitant prices to hear it.

It's all relevant. Someone paid $5,300,000 for a copy of Superman Comics #1. Not the first appearance, which was Action Comics #1, but a book that was a reprint of early Superman stories.

The Rolling Stones no longer have relevance. They're a commodity. There's no novelty, no surprise. You don't even get what you paid for. All these vintage acts are just vacuuming up all the money they can before retirement.

Not all. Bob Dylan and his band still bring it. The Ryman show was sublime.

Bob Dylan still brings it? His voice was shot loooong ago. Some people think that's art. Each to his own. I think he just completely lost his voice.

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I could understand every word, honestly. And, when has Dylan ever been about his voice?

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Dylans vocals had actually seemed to improve in the last 10 -15 years or so vs. the 10-20 or so years prior.
There was a lengthy period when he sounded really bad - croaking like a frog bad, but evidently he had some serious throat issues that had since been taken care of about a decade or so ago.

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I could understand every word, honestly. And, when has Dylan ever been about his voice?

I know that's how people try to justify it but at the end of the day Dylan is a singer. Otherwise he would write poems.

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And, when has Dylan ever been about his voice?

Hey yeah thats right .....
Next album Tiki-bar instrumentals

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I could understand every word, honestly. And, when has Dylan ever been about his voice?

I know that's how people try to justify it but at the end of the day Dylan is a singer. Otherwise he would write poems.

He does write poems. And he is known for his phrasing, cadence, and lyrics way more than his vocal range. Why am I telling you this? You should already know, unless you’re playing dumb. It’s hard to tell.

Have you seen him on his current tour? I’ll bet you haven’t.

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I think the Stones themselves do not decide retail or concert prices. These kind of things seem to be part of contracts with promoters, record companies etc.
And these people realize that the band soon, maybe very soon, will be gone and that means no more tours, and a steady decrease of music sales, because the main target group for physical products will be gone pretty soon too. Just saying.

On the other hand I think that once you've become rich, greed to a certain degree will be a constant part of your life. Doesn't matter if you're inclined so or forced to act accordingly.

I do also draw a line when it comes to prices. As for the expenses you've mentioned, I will stick with the CD version of El Mocambo (20.80 Euro) and lucky dip tickets for concerts in Bern and Gelsenkirchen (~60 Euros per ticket).
Might end up in the pit and if its just a seat with poor visibility I'll still get the sound, because that is the main thing.

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I could understand every word, honestly. And, when has Dylan ever been about his voice?

I know that's how people try to justify it but at the end of the day Dylan is a singer. Otherwise he would write poems.

He does write poems. And he is known for his phrasing, cadence, and lyrics way more than his vocal range. Why am I telling you this? You should already know, unless you’re playing dumb. It’s hard to tell.

Have you seen him on his current tour? I’ll bet you haven’t.

No honestly I haven't but I have listened to all of his more recent albums. I liked the last original one quite well, also because he was able to write the songs in a way that fit his speech-like singing.
The Sinatra one, I really didn't get the point. He obviously tried to do well but in the end his singing was like some old man in a Karaoke bar covering Sinatra.

Each to his own. But you answered "Bob Dylan is still bringing it" to somebody claiming the Stones are not bringing it anymore. Mick Jagger is working is ass off, working on his vocal ability, on his body and on his dancing for months before the tour, delivering a performance like an athlete. In comparison to what the Stones bring Bob Dylans performances these days are quite week. I spoke to several people visiting desert trip. Everyone agrees he was the weekest link in the line-up.

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I could understand every word, honestly. And, when has Dylan ever been about his voice?

I know that's how people try to justify it but at the end of the day Dylan is a singer. Otherwise he would write poems.

He does write poems. And he is known for his phrasing, cadence, and lyrics way more than his vocal range. Why am I telling you this? You should already know, unless you’re playing dumb. It’s hard to tell.

Have you seen him on his current tour? I’ll bet you haven’t.

No honestly I haven't but I have listened to all of his more recent albums. I liked the last original one quite well, also because he was able to write the songs in a way that fit his speech-like singing.
The Sinatra one, I really didn't get the point. He obviously tried to do well but in the end his singing was like some old man in a Karaoke bar covering Sinatra.

Each to his own. But you answered "Bob Dylan is still bringing it" to somebody claiming the Stones are not bringing it anymore. Mick Jagger is working is ass off, working on his vocal ability, on his body and on his dancing for months before the tour, delivering a performance like an athlete. In comparison to what the Stones bring Bob Dylans performances these days are quite week. I spoke to several people visiting desert trip. Everyone agrees he was the weekest link in the line-up.

Of course Dylan is not about vocal athletics but he doesn't have the ability to get out all the different expressions and moods that are in his lyrics anymore. Especially in his older songs for example there are sentenced that are supposed to be shouted out in a higher register then other sentences are supposed to be sung in a really relaxed manner. But Dylan nowadays can sing it all in one rather speaking-sounding voice, also not being able to sing faster phrases effortlessly anymore nor holding longer notes. It's not about being a vocal athlete or not, he doesn't even has the basic range of human expression in is voice like higher, lower, quieter, louder. But he lost his vocal abilities a looong time ago, so I guess people got used to it.