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Taylor1I like the way Wood and Richards played in 1975-1977 much better than the so called two guitar one sound of1978-1981.You are a extremely knowledgeable about guitar playing, but I think the weaving sound was not as good a listening experience. And the band wasn’t as goodQuote
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Taylor1This is not their best live release.Some of it is as great as they’ve been live.But nothing topsMidnight Rambler,You Can’t Always Get What You Want,Street FightingMan,from Brussels, Love in Vain from L&G, Sympathy from Get Yer Ya Ya’sOut, songs from LA Friday, Happy and others from Atlantic City 1989.And there other live performances during their incomparable careerQuote
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TravelinMan
By what standards?!?!
Leeds crushes this and I'll take L&G with worse sonics because the performance is incredible and they were at their absolute peak.
Exile band = greatest R&R band of all time.
some people think the band reached its live apex after Taylor left, probably around the time of the Hampton ppv.
I said 'this is their best OFFICIAL live release'.
To me, nothing beats the Brussels Affair bootleg, with the Wembley version of Happy, GS and SFM instead of the Brussels version. But this is also partially nostalgia, as I have listened to this boot since I was 10, and basically learned how to play guitar over it.
All the rest is just taste. I love the pure and raw energy of 1972 Stones, and Taylor is a fabulous lead player, but as a band they indeed got better with age, culminating into their best ever performance at Hampton 1981.
I find Charlie Watts to be at his peak on the 1975 tour, and the Mocambo recording is an excellent showcase of that. Wyman got better and better, going from decent in the early 1970's to this terrific melodic bass player in the late 1970's and early 1980's.
And for as much as I love Taylor's leads, as a musician and guitar player I simply find the interplay of Wood and Richards way more interesting, and much harder to do right. There's a dozen Mick Taylor's out their being able to play amazing solo's, but nobody can play these intricate Wood and Richards rhythm lines where two parts become much more than just that. What Wood and Richards where able to pull off in 1978 and 1981 on a good night hasn't been bettered ever since.
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Cooltoplady
He's a big BS er. He judges Stones concerts by bootlegs. I don't think this guy ever saw The Stones. And don't take his word word on guitars either. A lot of his "facts" aren't true. He just loves to here himself talk.
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Taylor1I like the way Wood and Richards played in 1975-1977 much better than the so called two guitar one sound of1978-1981.You are a extremely knowledgeable about guitar playing, but I think the weaving sound was not as good a listening experience. And the band wasn’t as goodQuote
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Taylor1This is not their best live release.Some of it is as great as they’ve been live.But nothing topsMidnight Rambler,You Can’t Always Get What You Want,Street FightingMan,from Brussels, Love in Vain from L&G, Sympathy from Get Yer Ya Ya’sOut, songs from LA Friday, Happy and others from Atlantic City 1989.And there other live performances during their incomparable careerQuote
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TravelinMan
By what standards?!?!
Leeds crushes this and I'll take L&G with worse sonics because the performance is incredible and they were at their absolute peak.
Exile band = greatest R&R band of all time.
some people think the band reached its live apex after Taylor left, probably around the time of the Hampton ppv.
I said 'this is their best OFFICIAL live release'.
To me, nothing beats the Brussels Affair bootleg, with the Wembley version of Happy, GS and SFM instead of the Brussels version. But this is also partially nostalgia, as I have listened to this boot since I was 10, and basically learned how to play guitar over it.
All the rest is just taste. I love the pure and raw energy of 1972 Stones, and Taylor is a fabulous lead player, but as a band they indeed got better with age, culminating into their best ever performance at Hampton 1981.
I find Charlie Watts to be at his peak on the 1975 tour, and the Mocambo recording is an excellent showcase of that. Wyman got better and better, going from decent in the early 1970's to this terrific melodic bass player in the late 1970's and early 1980's.
And for as much as I love Taylor's leads, as a musician and guitar player I simply find the interplay of Wood and Richards way more interesting, and much harder to do right. There's a dozen Mick Taylor's out their being able to play amazing solo's, but nobody can play these intricate Wood and Richards rhythm lines where two parts become much more than just that. What Wood and Richards where able to pull off in 1978 and 1981 on a good night hasn't been bettered ever since.
Mathijs
He's a big BS er. He judges Stones concerts by bootlegs. I don't think this guy ever saw The Stones. And don't take his word word on guitars either. A lot of his "facts" aren't true. He just loves to here himself talk.
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Taylor1I like the way Wood and Richards played in 1975-1977 much better than the so called two guitar one sound of1978-1981.You are a extremely knowledgeable about guitar playing, but I think the weaving sound was not as good a listening experience. And the band wasn’t as goodQuote
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Taylor1This is not their best live release.Some of it is as great as they’ve been live.But nothing topsMidnight Rambler,You Can’t Always Get What You Want,Street FightingMan,from Brussels, Love in Vain from L&G, Sympathy from Get Yer Ya Ya’sOut, songs from LA Friday, Happy and others from Atlantic City 1989.And there other live performances during their incomparable careerQuote
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TravelinMan
By what standards?!?!
Leeds crushes this and I'll take L&G with worse sonics because the performance is incredible and they were at their absolute peak.
Exile band = greatest R&R band of all time.
some people think the band reached its live apex after Taylor left, probably around the time of the Hampton ppv.
I said 'this is their best OFFICIAL live release'.
To me, nothing beats the Brussels Affair bootleg, with the Wembley version of Happy, GS and SFM instead of the Brussels version. But this is also partially nostalgia, as I have listened to this boot since I was 10, and basically learned how to play guitar over it.
All the rest is just taste. I love the pure and raw energy of 1972 Stones, and Taylor is a fabulous lead player, but as a band they indeed got better with age, culminating into their best ever performance at Hampton 1981.
I find Charlie Watts to be at his peak on the 1975 tour, and the Mocambo recording is an excellent showcase of that. Wyman got better and better, going from decent in the early 1970's to this terrific melodic bass player in the late 1970's and early 1980's.
And for as much as I love Taylor's leads, as a musician and guitar player I simply find the interplay of Wood and Richards way more interesting, and much harder to do right. There's a dozen Mick Taylor's out their being able to play amazing solo's, but nobody can play these intricate Wood and Richards rhythm lines where two parts become much more than just that. What Wood and Richards where able to pull off in 1978 and 1981 on a good night hasn't been bettered ever since.
Mathijs
He's a big BS er. He judges Stones concerts by bootlegs. I don't think this guy ever saw The Stones. And don't take his word word on guitars either. A lot of his "facts" aren't true. He just loves to here himself talk.
He has seen the Stones. And he can play. I know that, as I stand besides him on stage
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hockenheim95
Sorry but number 24 in the first week doesn't sound good to me. In Germany number 5 isn't good either. Copacabana and Atlantic City both wenn number 2 in Germany. We shouldn't confuse our enthusiasm with anything succesfull from a economic point of view. For casual fans a newer show with the big hits is more attractive than this release with unknown songs.
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hockenheim95
Sorry but number 24 in the first week doesn't sound good to me. In Germany number 5 isn't good either. Copacabana and Atlantic City both wenn number 2 in Germany. We shouldn't confuse our enthusiasm with anything succesfull from a economic point of view. For casual fans a newer show with the big hits is more attractive than this release with unknown songs.
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hockenheim95
Sorry but number 24 in the first week doesn't sound good to me. In Germany number 5 isn't good either. Copacabana and Atlantic City both wenn number 2 in Germany. We shouldn't confuse our enthusiasm with anything succesfull from a economic point of view. For casual fans a newer show with the big hits is more attractive than this release with unknown songs.
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georgelicks
Sadly there is not a wide audience out there wanting shows and old stuff from 50 years ago, time has passed for that kind of stuff because the target public is too old to care and mostly are already dead.
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hockenheim95
Sorry but number 24 in the first week doesn't sound good to me. In Germany number 5 isn't good either. Copacabana and Atlantic City both wenn number 2 in Germany. We shouldn't confuse our enthusiasm with anything succesfull from a economic point of view. For casual fans a newer show with the big hits is more attractive than this release with unknown songs.
Their latest vault release, Copacabana, charted at #195 in the UK selling under 800 copies, so #24 and 2,500 sales is a lot better.
Sadly there is not a wide audience out there wanting shows and old stuff from 50 years ago, time has passed for that kind of stuff because the target public is too old to care and mostly are already dead.
This does not surprise me at all. They did not make promo effort. For example in my woods, in Portugal. Basing on local retailer FNAC:Quote
georgelicks
Live At The El Mocambo moved 2,053 copies during the first 3 days (including pre-orders) and only 530 copies the rest of the week.
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Sorry but number 24 in the first week doesn't sound good to me. In Germany number 5 isn't good either. Copacabana and Atlantic City both wenn number 2 in Germany. We shouldn't confuse our enthusiasm with anything succesfull from a economic point of view. For casual fans a newer show with the big hits is more attractive than this release with unknown songs.
Their latest vault release, Copacabana, charted at #195 in the UK selling under 800 copies, so #24 and 2,500 sales is a lot better.
Sadly there is not a wide audience out there wanting shows and old stuff from 50 years ago, time has passed for that kind of stuff because the target public is too old to care and mostly are already dead.
But the UK has is own "Video Charts" where Copacabana went #1. Do these 800 "copies" only include streams? Or do sales Count for both Charts?
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georgelicks
Sadly there is not a wide audience out there wanting shows and old stuff from 50 years ago, time has passed for that kind of stuff because the target public is too old to care and mostly are already dead.
But Abkco's 18-disc Vinyl-Box with the Singles 1963-66 reached some days ago #7 in the general Sales-Charts on [www.jpc.de] .
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georgelicks
How much is that?
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hockenheim95
Sorry but number 24 in the first week doesn't sound good to me. In Germany number 5 isn't good either. Copacabana and Atlantic City both wenn number 2 in Germany. We shouldn't confuse our enthusiasm with anything succesfull from a economic point of view. For casual fans a newer show with the big hits is more attractive than this release with unknown songs.
Their latest vault release, Copacabana, charted at #195 in the UK selling under 800 copies, so #24 and 2,500 sales is a lot better.
Sadly there is not a wide audience out there wanting shows and old stuff from 50 years ago, time has passed for that kind of stuff because the target public is too old to care and mostly are already dead.
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Hairball
Not sure if this something to celebrate, or something to shrug at....in other words is it a "Hooray" or is it a "Whoop-de-do"...
By next week it won't matter as this will have completely disappeared off any charts, but that doesn't take away from the joy it provides the diehards who embrace it.
No since I think barely one downloads these tracks from YouTube. Most people will stream it, on Spotify of YouTube and that will get them money.Quote
Taylor1
In New York , I can download the entire El Mocambo off YouTube or internet postings for free.Does that cut into sales?