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Testify
You are making a fool of me ? (Am I? That's up to you.)

In BAB he was actually Crazy Mama and not MM.
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(Okay, you go by Wikipedia for Memory Motel. I go by the handwritten credit notes on the actual album.)
(I just went and checked Wikipedia's entries for Black and Blue, and Memory Motel. It says Bill played bass on every cut on Black and Blue except Crazy Mama.)


Also in Fingerprint File Bill he does not play bass, but he is at the synthesizer. (No one said he wasn't.)

If you notice in some of those songs, the bass is essential, which is why I was always amazed that it wasn't Bill who played it. (Not many. Emotional Rescue, Sympathy comes to mind. The overwhelming amount of Stones songs where the bass is essential are Bill.)

I remember that on the 75/76 tour on Fingerprint File, Bill gave the bass to Ronnie even during concerts, although the original bass was by Mick Taylor. (Yes, so that Bill could move over onto synthesizer, which he played on the studio cut.)

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vertigojoe
With most of these song I didn't even know it was not Bill. Although I love stuff that Bill did it shows that he was quite easy to replace.

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StonedRambler

I think Darryl is amazing. He hadn't played with Miles Davis if he wasn't and Charlie had not chosen him if he wasn't.

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StonedRambler

I think Darryl is amazing. He hadn't played with Miles Davis if he wasn't and Charlie had not chosen him if he wasn't.

Jones certainly can do things Bill couldn't but the essential is : can a jazz bassist become a good rock bassist? Imo you can't.

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TheGreek
The endless debate between Bill Wyman and Daryl Jones bass playing . There is no comparison as far as the sound and groove and beat / foundation in the rhythm section along with the Great Charlie Watts . For me Wyman bass sound was bigger than life and such a thumping powerful bass in the lower register of the tonal spectrum . Now having said that there is no denying the virtuoso skills of Daryl Jones bass . In 1994 during the Voodoo Lounge tour , the one and only Stones tour where he actually got to cut it loose and it was such a funky jazzy groove laid down with a decent mix/volume in the sound mix . Too bad it was gone the next time during the B2B Tour , as he played as if in the studio reading off sheet music and I don't want to say stiff sound but it lacked any imagination or color . It was as he was "told" exactly what notes to play and when and how to play them as well along with the sound engineer being instructed to keep the bass sound barely audible in the over all sound mix . Too darn bad as to have such a skillful musician / artist and to have him physically restrained and his hands tied as to what and when he could play it ! Too bad Chuck has much more artistic freedom than Daryl does , and no disrespect to Chuck as he is a master of the keyboard as well . For me Daryl is a talent wasted in the Stones and his virtuoso skills are sidelined from the Stones .

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TheGreek
For me Daryl is a talent wasted in the Stones and his virtuoso skills are sidelined from the Stones .

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TheGreek
The endless debate between Bill Wyman and Daryl Jones bass playing . There is no comparison as far as the sound and groove and beat / foundation in the rhythm section along with the Great Charlie Watts . For me Wyman bass sound was bigger than life and such a thumping powerful bass in the lower register of the tonal spectrum . Now having said that there is no denying the virtuoso skills of Daryl Jones bass . In 1994 during the Voodoo Lounge tour , the one and only Stones tour where he actually got to cut it loose and it was such a funky jazzy groove laid down with a decent mix/volume in the sound mix . Too bad it was gone the next time during the B2B Tour , as he played as if in the studio reading off sheet music and I don't want to say stiff sound but it lacked any imagination or color . It was as he was "told" exactly what notes to play and when and how to play them as well along with the sound engineer being instructed to keep the bass sound barely audible in the over all sound mix . Too darn bad as to have such a skillful musician / artist and to have him physically restrained and his hands tied as to what and when he could play it ! Too bad Chuck has much more artistic freedom than Daryl does , and no disrespect to Chuck as he is a master of the keyboard as well . For me Daryl is a talent wasted in the Stones and his virtuoso skills are sidelined from the Stones .

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liddas

I don't think that there is such a thing as a "rock" bassist or a "jazz" bassist. DJ doesn't plat Jazz with the Stones, but he has a different approach than Bill.

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GasLightStreet
Bill was a time shifter.

Darryl is a time keeper.

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TheGreek
For me Daryl is a talent wasted in the Stones and his virtuoso skills are sidelined from the Stones .

They don't shine that much during his solo spot in the middle of "Miss You" do they?

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GasLightStreet
Bill was a time shifter.

Darryl is a time keeper.

That is very, véry well said.

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schwonek
Wait. I thought this was about the El Mocambo release? So OT.

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schwonek
Wait. I thought this was about the El Mocambo release? So OT.

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24FPS
Yes, Darryl lacks something. Maybe he quit playing like Bill after Voodoo Lounge, but what did he replace it with? A meandering, emotionless playing that does nothing to enhance the sound. Bill wasn't afraid to assert his playing and could lead the band, or gather it when it was wobbling too far.

I can think of Bill bass lines that are absolutely essential, and memorable. Satisfaction, Under My Thumb, Miss You, Harlem Shuffle as examples. His live playing on Live With Me and Long Black Limousine really stand out. I can't think of one Stones song in 30 years where Darryl adds one note of emotion to a song. One note of humor.

Sure, Bill's been gone for half of the Stones' career. But what does Darryl's magnificent, unprecedented genius jazz playing add up to on Stones records, or live? Zilch. And the overwhelming amount of songs on the Stones setlist are ones Bill created the bass line.

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24FPS
Yes, Darryl lacks something. Maybe he quit playing like Bill after Voodoo Lounge, but what did he replace it with? A meandering, emotionless playing that does nothing to enhance the sound. Bill wasn't afraid to assert his playing and could lead the band, or gather it when it was wobbling too far.

I can think of Bill bass lines that are absolutely essential, and memorable. Satisfaction, Under My Thumb, Miss You, Harlem Shuffle as examples. His live playing on Live With Me and Long Black Limousine really stand out. I can't think of one Stones song in 30 years where Darryl adds one note of emotion to a song. One note of humor.

Sure, Bill's been gone for half of the Stones' career. But what does Darryl's magnificent, unprecedented genius jazz playing add up to on Stones records, or live? Zilch. And the overwhelming amount of songs on the Stones setlist are ones Bill created the bass line.

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U2Stonesfan
I look forward to I believe the first or second official live version of Crazy Mama?