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any more progress sighing?

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Ok, I’m back. Did you guys miss my many posts? LOL. I thought I’d take a brief pause- don’t want to wear out my welcome-after all, familiarity can breed contempt so they say…
Anyway, back to business. After receiving some insightful feedback from people who post on this forum (and receiving private e-mails with suggestions), I cleaned up the proposal-the current working title (until I get a better catch phrase from posters)-The Rolling Stones MSG box set, stream-lined it a bit-keeping the essential elements, and thus making it easier to read in order to keep the attention of the reader. I may be biased but I’m extremely happy with the final result. Please note, I have tried to take into consideration the different types of feedback I have received, but the reality is some suggestions were simply above and beyond the context and scope of what this proposal was trying to accomplish, and I cannot honestly entertain all the suggestions as the final result would suffer from what I would describe as the “too many cooks in the kitchen” syndrome. Much of the feedback I received requested that I turn the original written document into a working petition, so that is what I did.


We in the Rolling Stones fan-base community are strongly advocating for a release of a potential box set containing all three of the professionally recorded shows from Madison Square Garden utilized for the Get Yer Ya Yas Out live in-concert album. Glyn Johns, legendary engineer and producer who recorded these brilliant performances on 11/27/69 and 11/28/69, was fortunate to capture the Rolling Stones at the peak of their powers. By the time the Stones reached the east coast, they had played over a dozen shows and were musically tight and commanding. By all accounts from fans and critics alike who followed the 1969 tour, the Madison Square Garden shows were arguably the best performed shows of the tour.

Get Yer Ya Yas Out-considered to be one of the finest live rock records-per fans and music critics alike-understandably, was meant to capture the Rolling Stones in their most favorable light, but in retrospect (when comparing the commercially released performances to raw concert tapes that have proliferated on various social media platforms), unfortunately suffers from working too hard to be the perfect live document- it tends to go a little overboard- adding too much polish and sheen to the mix via inclusion of numerous post production overdubs and editing. It is no wonder that many Stones aficionados actually prefer the widely popular bootleg recording that became “Liver Than You’ll Ever Be”, simply because it features a raw and un-doctored performance from the 1969 tour-warts and all. In fact, legend has it that Ya Yas was released to counter sales of Liver.

We in the Stones fan-base community have longed to hear all three MSG shows (minus the excessive vocal/instrumental overdubs & extraneous editing) released in excellent quality in order to experience a true representation of being at a Rolling Stones concert in 1969! Why release all three shows-given that there was minor variability in the setlists? Based upon available bootleg/audience recordings of these shows, it is clear that the Rolling Stones played brilliantly at all three performances- each particular show highlighting & capturing unique, distinctive signature performances that were not readily available on the original Ya Yas release.

Lastly, it has been reported that the Maysles brothers, who directed the infamous Gimme Shelter documentary, had professionally shot video of these concerts at Madison Square that had not been included in the film. Please consider this: At this point in time, there has never been a commercially released video featuring a complete concert from one of the Rolling Stones best tours! What an amazing, historical, and visually entertaining document that would be. The inclusion of professionally shot concert footage would undoubtably enhance, and thus make for a stellar, sought-after release!

In conclusion, what a better time to honor the 60th anniversary of the Rolling Stones as a working band by releasing the Madison Square Garden shows in their entirety when the band was playing at its zenith. Please consider this request as we strongly believe that there is a sizeable market of fans, both established and new, who not only appreciate great quality music from the 1960’s, but are astute enough to recognize how vital and powerful the Rolling Stones as group were when they returned to the American concert stage in 1969. We, the undersigned, in the Stones community feel that the time is well overdue for these shows to be released in great quality (and in their entirety) for all fans to hear!


The next step in the process is to enlist help from other folks on this forum (or know somebody else not affiliated with this forum who is talented) to help out with tasks that I simply don’t know how to do and/or don’t have the skill-sets for (the biggest task being getting the petition on-line):

1) I need someone who is more computer literate than me who can turn the proposal that I have written into a working petition on line that is easy to get to and use where people can go to sign it (in 2007, one of my collaborators who worked on the Ya Yas Project set up a petition on line that was free, safe and easily assessable- although I hadn’t the foggiest how he did it) .
As people are skittish about signing their names and/or providing personal info, all I request is that the petition be made easy so all that is necessary is that you can type in your name and location (for instance: Scott Sigel, Rochester, NY). We might want to have an optional box for e-mail address?
When we (hopefully) get a good number of signatures, the petition will be presented to Abkco & the Stones organization.

2) I will need other “influential” folks on this site who inhabit other Stones boards to do a little publicity for the petition and make other “influential” people aware of it. Also, I was lucky to have some collaborators on the Ya Yas Project who knew of or were acquainted with Stones connected people who could pitch the petition and make sure it got to the right folks. I don’t have a clue on this board who knows who, but if you indeed have a valuable Stones connection, and can help out, that would be greatly appreciated.

3) Finally, I will do some research to find and place an ad or ads (hopefully in reasonably priced) music trade publications like I did in 2007 to publicize and direct folks to sign the petition.


For those who are willing to help and can fulfill some of these tasks, you can respond on this thread or contact me privately at ssigel@rochester.rr.com . Once again, thanks to all who support this proposal, Scott Sigel aka Sighunt.

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OT- but 1969 tour related there is a copy of Ethan Russell's massive slip cased "Let It Bleed" book on ebay right now with the current bid just over $100.

If you don't already have the book it is a fantastic photo journey of the 1969 tour with great interviews. Be aware the book is big and heavy so it is not one you can hold in your hand to read but is a steal for that price or anything close to it.

2.5 hours left in the auction. I would bid on it if I did not already own a copy.

[www.ebay.com]

$100!?

i spent $9 for it at a goodwill 6 years ago

i had no idea it was valuable

but your right great book essential to have with the other books about the tour

There are several versions of the book. There is the shorter trade publication which is 239 pages and then there were two massive versions that come in a slip case and are 420 pages so almost twice as long.

I have the "Standard" version in the slip case and there was a Deluxe version in an even fancier clamshell slipcase with a bonus 8x10 real photo from the negatives of one of the shots Russell took on tour.

[shop.ethanrussell.com]

Here is a pic of my "standard" edition partially out of the slipcase showing you some perspective of the size.




If you got the book for $9 I am guessing it is the smaller trade version which is still a killer book but the larger formats have many more photos and interviews with the band and entourage on that tour not in the smaller trade version

The larger format "standard edition" on eBay just sold for $102 which is a steal for that version of the book as it retails for $325 not including shipping which is not cheap for such a massive book.

Sorry for the OT so I will not hijack the thread any longer and let's get back to the petition!

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Ok, I’m back. Did you guys miss my many posts? LOL. I thought I’d take a brief pause- don’t want to wear out my welcome-after all, familiarity can breed contempt so they say…
Anyway, back to business. After receiving some insightful feedback from people who post on this forum (and receiving private e-mails with suggestions), I cleaned up the proposal-the current working title (until I get a better catch phrase from posters)-The Rolling Stones MSG box set, stream-lined it a bit-keeping the essential elements, and thus making it easier to read in order to keep the attention of the reader. I may be biased but I’m extremely happy with the final result. Please note, I have tried to take into consideration the different types of feedback I have received, but the reality is some suggestions were simply above and beyond the context and scope of what this proposal was trying to accomplish, and I cannot honestly entertain all the suggestions as the final result would suffer from what I would describe as the “too many cooks in the kitchen” syndrome. Much of the feedback I received requested that I turn the original written document into a working petition, so that is what I did.


We in the Rolling Stones fan-base community are strongly advocating for a release of a potential box set containing all three of the professionally recorded shows from Madison Square Garden utilized for the Get Yer Ya Yas Out live in-concert album. Glyn Johns, legendary engineer and producer who recorded these brilliant performances on 11/27/69 and 11/28/69, was fortunate to capture the Rolling Stones at the peak of their powers. By the time the Stones reached the east coast, they had played over a dozen shows and were musically tight and commanding. By all accounts from fans and critics alike who followed the 1969 tour, the Madison Square Garden shows were arguably the best performed shows of the tour.

Get Yer Ya Yas Out-considered to be one of the finest live rock records-per fans and music critics alike-understandably, was meant to capture the Rolling Stones in their most favorable light, but in retrospect (when comparing the commercially released performances to raw concert tapes that have proliferated on various social media platforms), unfortunately suffers from working too hard to be the perfect live document- it tends to go a little overboard- adding too much polish and sheen to the mix via inclusion of numerous post production overdubs and editing. It is no wonder that many Stones aficionados actually prefer the widely popular bootleg recording that became “Liver Than You’ll Ever Be”, simply because it features a raw and un-doctored performance from the 1969 tour-warts and all. In fact, legend has it that Ya Yas was released to counter sales of Liver.

We in the Stones fan-base community have longed to hear all three MSG shows (minus the excessive vocal/instrumental overdubs & extraneous editing) released in excellent quality in order to experience a true representation of being at a Rolling Stones concert in 1969! Why release all three shows-given that there was minor variability in the setlists? Based upon available bootleg/audience recordings of these shows, it is clear that the Rolling Stones played brilliantly at all three performances- each particular show highlighting & capturing unique, distinctive signature performances that were not readily available on the original Ya Yas release.

Lastly, it has been reported that the Maysles brothers, who directed the infamous Gimme Shelter documentary, had professionally shot video of these concerts at Madison Square that had not been included in the film. Please consider this: At this point in time, there has never been a commercially released video featuring a complete concert from one of the Rolling Stones best tours! What an amazing, historical, and visually entertaining document that would be. The inclusion of professionally shot concert footage would undoubtably enhance, and thus make for a stellar, sought-after release!

In conclusion, what a better time to honor the 60th anniversary of the Rolling Stones as a working band by releasing the Madison Square Garden shows in their entirety when the band was playing at its zenith. Please consider this request as we strongly believe that there is a sizeable market of fans, both established and new, who not only appreciate great quality music from the 1960’s, but are astute enough to recognize how vital and powerful the Rolling Stones as group were when they returned to the American concert stage in 1969. We, the undersigned, in the Stones community feel that the time is well overdue for these shows to be released in great quality (and in their entirety) for all fans to hear!


The next step in the process is to enlist help from other folks on this forum (or know somebody else not affiliated with this forum who is talented) to help out with tasks that I simply don’t know how to do and/or don’t have the skill-sets for (the biggest task being getting the petition on-line):

1) I need someone who is more computer literate than me who can turn the proposal that I have written into a working petition on line that is easy to get to and use where people can go to sign it (in 2007, one of my collaborators who worked on the Ya Yas Project set up a petition on line that was free, safe and easily assessable- although I hadn’t the foggiest how he did it) .
As people are skittish about signing their names and/or providing personal info, all I request is that the petition be made easy so all that is necessary is that you can type in your name and location (for instance: Scott Sigel, Rochester, NY). We might want to have an optional box for e-mail address?
When we (hopefully) get a good number of signatures, the petition will be presented to Abkco & the Stones organization.

2) I will need other “influential” folks on this site who inhabit other Stones boards to do a little publicity for the petition and make other “influential” people aware of it. Also, I was lucky to have some collaborators on the Ya Yas Project who knew of or were acquainted with Stones connected people who could pitch the petition and make sure it got to the right folks. I don’t have a clue on this board who knows who, but if you indeed have a valuable Stones connection, and can help out, that would be greatly appreciated.

3) Finally, I will do some research to find and place an ad or ads (with my own money if necessary if I find a reasonably priced) music trade publication like I did in 2007 to publicize and direct folks to sign the petition.


For those who are willing to help and can fulfill some of these tasks, you can respond on this thread or contact me privately at ssigel@rochester.rr.com . Once again, thanks to all who support this proposal, Scott Sigel aka Sighunt.

Great !!!!

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Maybe one site like this ?
[www.change.org]

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Maybe one site like this ?
[www.change.org]

I was looking at that one, but isn't that site for posting really grand political or social causes like "Save the Whale?" LOL.

Did you look at some of the other websites on the article I posted?

7 Best Websites to Start an Online Petition

[www.online-tech-tips.com]

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Maybe one site like this ?
[www.change.org]

I was looking at that one, but isn't that site for posting really grand political or social causes like "Save the Whale?" LOL.

Did you look at some of the other websites on the article I posted?

7 Best Websites to Start an Online Petition

[www.online-tech-tips.com]

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Maybe one site like this ?
[www.change.org]

I was looking at that one, but isn't that site for posting really grand political or social causes like "Save the Whale?" LOL.

Did you look at some of the other websites on the article I posted?

7 Best Websites to Start an Online Petition

[www.online-tech-tips.com]

I have looked at almost all 7 sites ..... but they actually don't seem suitable for promoting a “commercial petition”

But I think it can be done anyway.

A headline that can grab attention might be something like


Supports the full release of Get Yer Ya Yas Out The Rolling Stones recordings at MSG 1969

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Maybe one site like this ?
[www.change.org]

I was looking at that one, but isn't that site for posting really grand political or social causes like "Save the Whale?" LOL.

Did you look at some of the other websites on the article I posted?

7 Best Websites to Start an Online Petition

[www.online-tech-tips.com]

I have looked at almost all 7 sites ..... but they actually don't seem suitable for promoting a “commercial petition”

But I think it can be done anyway.

A headline that can grab attention might be something like


Supports the full release of Get Yer Ya Yas Out The Rolling Stones recordings at MSG 1969

ok stone601, I'm going to put you on the spot (lol) and ask you, out of all the 7 websites identified in that article, if you had to choose one that would meet our needs-what one would you choose that is accessible, popular and easy to navigate for our petition?

If I can get some consensus from some folks on this site, I would like to move forward and get this petition on -line this week.

Let's go people and get this shit together....

PS-here's another catchy title in the subject line to grab attention for the petition:

One serious (re-worked) per Stone601 above: Support the Full Release of the Rolling Stones Get Yer Ya Yas Outs Recordings at MSG 1969

One Funny attention grabber: Tell the Rolling Stones to Get Their Ya Yas Out and Release the full MSG 1969 Recordings!

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Don't mean to put your/our hopes down, Sighunt, but

I just wondered; since ABKCO put out most of the MSG recordings on youtube, 2 years ago, just before the copyright ran out; wouldn't they get a big percentage of the income of any "deluxe GYYYO" in adition of being in the situation where they can say "no" to Jagger & co ?

If so, it's more likely with a 1972 release, for intance, in which Rolling Stones will be in complete charge.

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Don't mean to put your/our hopes down, Sighunt, but

I just wondered; since ABKCO put out most of the MSG recordings on youtube, 2 years ago, just before the copyright ran out; wouldn't they get a big percentage of the income of any "deluxe GYYYO" in adition of being in the situation where they can say "no" to Jagger & co ?

If so, it's more likely with a 1972 release, for intance, in which Rolling Stones will be in complete charge.

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change.org is my choice

as for your concern about the site being used for mostly "serious" issues

it seems plenty of people have started petitions there like yours


how will the significant number of fans in japan, latin america and elsewhere be able to find out about or access this petition?

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well the rejected ya-ya's cover is my choice

but what ever it is it'll probably be a ethan russel picture maybe you could ask him

does anyone know how to contact him?

perhaps he would be interested in getting this out too

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well the rejected ya-ya's cover is my choice

but what ever it is it'll probably be a ethan russel picture maybe you could ask him

does anyone know how to contact him?

perhaps he would be interested in getting this out too

For the time being, I would like to stay away from using that rejected photo with the top hat, etc and see if we can find a nice (preferably in color) action shot of the Stones in concert in 69.

or maybe something like this:
[www.giginjapan.com]

first picture

Waiting to ask Ethan R could just continue to hold this up.
Thanks....

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Well, these are 2 of the best Ethan Russel photos from MSG 1969, but it needs better resolution, especially the first "Devils Desciple" one

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signed

might i suggest you edit your first post on this thread and add this link might make it easier for people to find

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signed

might i suggest you edit your first post on this thread and add this link might make it easier for people to find

Good call!
Done!

BTW, I want to thank you for your added support for this cause. Much appreciated!