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Sighunt
Over the last several months, I have been giving a lot of thought to following through with a pet project of mine, especially given recent posts I have been seeing on the Tell Me Thread and Hot Stuff regarding fans interest in the 1969 recordings. I, like a lot of the visitors to this site, am a big, big fan of the 1969 tour (I was a little too young at the time to appreciate and be into the Stones so I never caught them in the flesh). Out of all the many American tours that the Stones have graced us with their presence, I always seem to come back to the 69 tour, especially the shows they played on the east coast at MSG, as the Stones were well oiled by the time they played those three shows on 11/27 & 11/28 which luckily were recorded and found their way on Ya Yas. A true fan can truly hear and appreciate via bootleg recordings (and even the 1969 TRAX dropped on U Tube at the end of 2019 minus all the overdubs that went on Ya Yas), that the Stones were firing on all cylinders-the results of which were some truly great musical performances of Jack Flash, Sympathy, Rambler, Satisfaction, etc.

To refresh your memories, especially newer folks who have joined this group, a little back-story:
In late 2007, I was surfing the various Stones boards (including this one) and happen to be reading many posts bemoaning the fact that Get Yer Ya Yas Out (one of my favorite all time Stones albums) was not released in its entirety, and would it ever see the light of day with expanded tracks? I kept pondering this, knowing that the 40th anniversary of Ya Yas was looming. I, along with other Stones fans who inhabited the (now de-funked) Sister Morphine label fan-site then came up with a not too radical idea of crafting a petition for the re-release of Ya Yas (which I fondly dubbed the Ya Yas Project- you can do a search on this site and put me in as the author and you will find me pitching it) in an expanded format with the extra missing tracks and sets from the supporting artists (we were tickled pink that the 40th anniversary edition also contained a video of the extra missing tracks- at the time I think we purposely did not include requests for any video footage in our petition, thinking that if we asked for too much stuff, Abkco/the Stones might shoot our idea down as too much work). We developed, what I would call a little working group of sorts, with various members taking on various roles given their specialties. In other words, one person who was a great writer, crafted the petition. Another person who was (more techno savvy than me), put the petition on-line. My task was doing promotion, so I went to as many Stones fans boards (including this one) as I could think of to "pitch" the petition, including placing ads in (using my own money) in various music trade publications like Goldmine, etc. and requested readers to sign our petition...We then sent the petition to Abkco and the Stones organization (there was an individual on the Sister Morphine fan site that knew how to get in touch and/or had the address of Chuck Leavell and sent him the petition). Another individual was friendly with Bill German and directly sent him our petition to make sure it got to the right place...In the end, I put in almost a year working on the Ya Yas Project.

Now, unless ABKCO and/or Mick Jagger tells me to my face, I don't believe that the 40th anniversary re-release of Ya Yas was a mere coincidence. Although there are fans who were not completely satisfied with the end result, we pretty much got what was asked for in the petition.

Fast forward to today: What I am proposing is to get a little work group together of like-minded fans on this site who would like to see a commercially released boxed set of all the MSG 69 shows. Many, many fans like myself feel that releasing these shows as is (minus all the vocal overdubs that went into the original Ya Yas release etc) certainly WOULD NOT tarnish the Rolling Stones image. What a better time to honor the occasion of the 60th anniversary by releasing these shows on what was arguably the Rolling Stones best return to the American concert stage (after a three-year hiatus) when the band was playing at its prime.
I have thought about this long and hard, and I know that compared to the 40th anniversary boxed set, that this may be a much harder sell as this is really a “niche” product that would appeal primarily to hard core Stones fans and the powers that be might not give a rat’s ass about it. Also, there is the very real hurdle that the Stones and/or Abkco will continue to feud and stymie any release of 1960’s material. However, if there is agreement among the two parties, the reality is that they can make a quick buck for little effort as these tapes are just sitting in a vault somewhere, ready to be dusted off and released.
I admittedly have selfish reasons for wanting these shows released in their entirety. I am an older Rolling Stones fan with ever increasing health issues (nothing at the moment that is life threatening, just the standard health issues that come with advancing age) who wants to have and hear these shows before I get too disabled (or worse yet, die before I have them in my possession) to enjoy them.
I am at a point in my life where I would like to take the risk and at least say that I tried to make this happen instead of saying the usual should a, would a, couldas and doing nothing. The other thing that I want to state upfront is this: In 2007 or 2008 when I went and pitched the Ya Yas Project, I got a significant amount of blow-back from a small number folks on the various Stones board sites, questioning my motives and basically poo-pooing our petition. My message to you is this: If you don’t believe in or want it, you don’t need to respond to this post or get involved if you feel that strongly. I don’t need the negatively. For the other folks who are reading this, who are going to respond with something like, “Why don’t you ask for El Mocambo or 72 shows?” The answer is, I’m not interested. If different Stones era audio or video is something you feel passionate about, by all means go for it and make it happen. My cause is very specific and direct.
Unfortunately, I cannot take this on all myself, simply because I lack all the skill-sets that are needed to make it happen, and also, it was time consuming. We would have to divvy up tasks. This would require some work and involvement from the Stones fans who are interested in seeing this come to fruition. However, if I don’t get a significant amount of folks to buy into it, I will walk away from this.
Unfortunately, I haven’t kept in contact with some of the major players who were involved in the original Ya Yas petition as the gentleman behind the Sister Morphine releases has long since passed and his site closed down. Therefore, I am proposing a sort of follow-up, whether it be either a new petition, or a letter writing campaign, etc from fellow members of this board.
For those who are interested, I await your responses.

PS- if you want to e-mail me privately, here is my address:
ssigel@rochester.rr.com
Thank you, from Scott Sigel aka Sighunt.

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timmyj3
I can guarantee the powers that be that ANY boxed set of LIVE 1969 will be be purchased by our family at pretty much whatever price they ask.

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24FPS
Are the shows different? Hendrix put out a boxset of all the New Years Eve Band of Gypsys shows at the Fillmore East. But there were plenty of songs not on the original album. It's not like the Stones play tunes differently one night to the next.

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RobertJohnson
I support this idea. Especially the three concerts in New York in a boxset would be a document of music history. And according to some YouTube videos and some bootlegs other versions are even greater than the versions in New York.The guitar sound on this tour is unique. Sed cave (but beware)! No Sam Wheat bullshit, I'm willing to pay double if Sam Wheat doesn't mix the sound.

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RobertJohnson
No Sam Wheat bullshit, I'm willing to pay double if Sam Wheat doesn't mix the sound.

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riccardo99
I do agree but would like to broaden the subject, how about sending the band and Abkco (backed by a substantially huge amount of fans signatures) a simple question: why don't you give people what they want?

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ProfessorWolf
also maybe we can convince bv to make this a sticky

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shawnriffhard1
Here, here!! I too, think this is a brilliant idea. I also think the video component is a huge part of it. It's been discussed here before, without total agreement, that some Shidoobees of Stonesdoug's group, enjoyed a night at Albert Maysles place where they viewed an entire show's worth of MSG video. It wasn't clear what show(s) was seen as there was a CIA level hush, hush nature to it all, but maybe it's far enough in the past that we can now find out if Lee Harvey Oswald actually did the recording unassisted

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shawnriffhard1
Here, here!! I too, think this is a brilliant idea. I also think the video component is a huge part of it. It's been discussed here before, without total agreement, that some Shidoobees of Stonesdoug's group, enjoyed a night at Albert Maysles place where they viewed an entire show's worth of MSG video. It wasn't clear what show(s) was seen as there was a CIA level hush, hush nature to it all, but maybe it's far enough in the past that we can now find out if Lee Harvey Oswald actually did the recording unassisted

Several folks have now contacted me on my e-mail who also have requested that we add any unseen Maysles video to the audio package for this potential petition and/or letter.

I have mixed feelings about it. Don't get me wrong, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A COMPLETE CONCERT OF AN MSG SHOW from 69 ON VIDEO, but I feel that adding something else to this project could torpedo it entirely.

The other thing is, how do we even know if there are complete professionally shot versions of Sympathy, Stray Cat, Rambler and Live With Me that may or may not have been shot by the Maysles brothers?

Alluding to your point above, yes, I do remember that there was an event several years ago, where people paid (?) to see a outtakes of Gimme Shelter and apparently were sworn to secrecy about the event.

I know people who habit this board were there. The Maysle brothers have since passed away, so can anybody here spill the beans on what footage they saw??

PS- if anybody can persuade me that a whole concert shot by the Maysles does exist, I will certainly consider that possibility as far as adding this to the proposal.

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ProfessorWolf
or perhaps the footage from detroit 69 as well

make a nice little bonus and it's not like they can't afford to buy it