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stonesstein
No, he did not other than bringing a phattie to the party with Crosby.
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stonesstein
No, Brain did not and never did write any music of substance or significance, period!!!!!!!
I have to smile.
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stonesstein
No, he did not other than bringing a phattie to the party with Crosby.
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stonesstein
No, Brain did not and never did write any music of substance or significance, period!!!!!!!
I have to smile.
Is creating riffs and moods for hit songs not making significant contributions?
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DandelionPowderman
Plural? The Last Time and...?
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DandelionPowderman
Plural? The Last Time and...?
No Expectations deserved a writing credit too. Lot's of more subtle but vital parts of hits. 19th Nervous Breakdown, Satisfaction - you can say it was just a regular 'boogie type' part, but the main riff is just the same without the root note. I guess he was involved in the creation of many others, but was short changed on the writing royalties. Can't blame MT for getting upset about the same.
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DandelionPowderman
There is a difference between laying down a superb guitar track and writing a song. He is following the chords Keith wrote with his slide guitar.
On The Last Time, however, it sounds like Keith is following the riff Brian wrote.
Lady Jane could be a "grey area" track, though. Brian's dulcimer-riff sounds like it's essential to the song, although we don't know what came first - that riff or Mick's vocal melody (it's the same).
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DandelionPowderman
Keep in mind that we never would have heard Brian’s slide guitar if Keith hadn't written the music.
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DandelionPowderman
Keep in mind that we never would have heard Brian’s slide guitar if Keith hadn't written the music.
I don't believe strumming an A and E chord is writing music. Without the lyrics and theme (from Brian?) there would be no song.
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DandelionPowderman
Keep in mind that we never would have heard Brian’s slide guitar if Keith hadn't written the music.
I don't believe strumming an A and E chord is writing music. Without the lyrics and theme (from Brian?) there would be no song.
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DandelionPowderman
Well, you're wrong.
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DandelionPowderman
Keep in mind that we never would have heard Brian’s slide guitar if Keith hadn't written the music.
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DandelionPowderman
Keep in mind that we never would have heard Brian’s slide guitar if Keith hadn't written the music.
That is a kind of statement one can not do anything with. If Brian would not have had the ambition to start a band (which became the Rollin(g) Stones) Mick and Keith may for sure not have become the great songwriters they were/are. Remember it was Oldham who "forced" them into songwriting when the band was already mature in making great songs originating from others.
Also, a lot of the Aftermath songs, all written by J/R would have been mediocre without Brian's subtle and by times great additions.
Bobby Troup wrote Route 66. When interviewed he said that the way the Rolling Stones interpreted his meanwhile famous song (Nat King Cole, f.i.) was the way he liked best of all other interpretations. Route 66 was a true band effort, not a Mick/Keith thing. Only when Brian's mental state changed to bad, things changed, but not really completely up to "No Expections". Written by J/R yes, but a shining diamond thanks to Brian.
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stonesstein
How romantic! How ridiculous (I am sure intended!)
No, he did not other than bringing a phattie to the party with Crosby. No, Brain did not and never did write any music of substance or significance, period!!!!!!!
I have to smile.
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DandelionPowderman
Keep in mind that we never would have heard Brian’s slide guitar if Keith hadn't written the music.
That is a kind of statement one can not do anything with. If Brian would not have had the ambition to start a band (which became the Rollin(g) Stones) Mick and Keith may for sure not have become the great songwriters they were/are. Remember it was Oldham who "forced" them into songwriting when the band was already mature in making great songs originating from others.
Also, a lot of the Aftermath songs, all written by J/R would have been mediocre without Brian's subtle and by times great additions.
Bobby Troup wrote Route 66. When interviewed he said that the way the Rolling Stones interpreted his meanwhile famous song (Nat King Cole, f.i.) was the way he liked best of all other interpretations. Route 66 was a true band effort, not a Mick/Keith thing. Only when Brian's mental state changed to bad, things changed, but not really completely up to "No Expections". Written by J/R yes, but a shining diamond thanks to Brian.
Indeed, but the whole band's contributions (and Nicky's!) made the tune what it is.
Not sure if I buy the premises for your theory about Mick and Keith, though, but that's another story
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treaclefingers
I don't think the Jagger/Richards or Lennon/McCartney 'business arrangements' were net positives for the bands per se, as they certainly did lead to bad feelings and contributions that went unrecognized by the other band members.
That isn't to say that the arrangements weren't successful of course, however one wonders whether in the long term, band cohesiveness may have benefitted from 'sharing the wealth' from the contributions of the whole band, which is really what it takes to make a great song.
Not to wave the U2 flag, but by way of an example, and the way they generally credit the whole band for songwriting I would imagine that has deflated potential animosity amongst the members, and here they are 45 or so years later fully intact.
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Taylor1
In the 1960s and 1970s, did Keith ever bring a completely written song into the studio for the band to record, or did derive from jams with the rest of the band from his melodies or chords