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'I read an old story'....which is utter bullshit.
The band's name was owned by all 5 until Jones was sacked from the band in agreement of a fixed amount of income for as long as the Stones would exist. In 1970 they registered it as a trade mark with the four original members as owners. After Wyman left they rearranged the ownership of Promopub completely so that Jagger, Richards and Watts are directors of the company, owning the rights to all matter Stones.
Mathijs
I thought Ronnie around 1990 became a full member? Is there a difference between being a full member and a full member/owner?
What happened to Charlie's ownership piece? Stay in his family or are Mick and Keith the only owners now?
That story you mention is 100% crap. Brian first of all didn't own the name Rolling Stones any way legally. He only came up with the name (even still without the "g"!) and the others (maybe apart from Ian Stewart) agreed. Brian was the unwritten leader of the band, which basically meant that he was the spokesman for a while. He did some things together with Oldham, who was accepted by all as their manager. Nothing official additionally that would allow for any legal action of any kind.
Off course the whole history is a sad one, that any Stones fan in those days good badly do without. The possitive tone it that after almost 60 years the Rolling Stones are still alive and kicking and ... no real Rolling Stones fan has forgotten Brian. He is just as "alive" as the band itself
I'm a GHOST living in a ghost town
Brian Jones' House
The 15th Century farmhouse at Hartfield, Sussex,
owned by Brian Jones of the Rolling Stones, the morning
after the musician was found dead in the swimming pool, 3rd July 1969.
ROCKMAN
1969, Hartfield, Ashdown Forest, Sussex
An aerial view of the farmhouse and pool, where
Ex-Rolling Stones guitarist Brian Jones died
mysteriously while having a midnight swim on 3rd July1969
ROCKMAN
wow...great shot!
You're taking a fact and asking a question as if it didn't happen.
He was kicked out and they kept the name.
Anna Wohlin, girlfriend of Brian Jones, and
publicist David Sandison leaving the Londonderry
Hotel for an inquest after Brian Jones death, UK, 3rd July 1969.
ROCKMAN
In an equal share situation, if Mick and Keith were the dysfunctional and "out of it" ones, Brian could have convinced Charlie and Bill to fire and replace them - 3 versus 2. But as we all know, it was actually 4 versus 1.
I think Ronnie became a full member when Bill left in 1993. They probably didn't want another member to leave and jeopardize the band even further.
You all overlook one thing. When the Rolling Stones quit from DECCA/London Records and Alan Klein, they started their own company, Rolling Stones Records. So instead of "just being a band with a record contract and a manager (which whom "kicked out" in 1967 and replaced by AK, whom they also "kicked out"), the band was now a company ... with four directors (Mick Taylor was on a contract deal). This makes a hell of a difference! Charlie's ownership stays in his family, unless the latter decide differently.
I'm a GHOST living in a ghost town
Wow Rockman, never saw this picture, any other pictures you got I also never saw?
I'll venture a guess he has a lot of pics we never saw - and probably don't want to!
Tom Keylock, Stones gofer, outside Cotchford Farm
at Hartfield, Sussex, talks to a photographer. 3 July 1969
ROCKMAN
Tom Keylock andJanet Lawson Jacky Shaw - Cotchford Farm July 3, 1969
ROCKMAN
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2022-01-08 00:16 by Rockman.
Tom Keylock, chauffeur and 'fixer' for the Rolling Stones,
talking toJanet Lawson Jacky Shaw, at Cotchford Farm in East Sussex, 3rd July 1969.
Earlier that day, Rolling Stones member
Brian Jones had drowned in the farm's swimming pool.
ROCKMAN
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2022-01-08 00:15 by Rockman.
Godfather worthy.
Brian Jones' girlfriend Anna Wohlin (left) and another woman, possiblyJanet Lawson, Jacky Shaw leave Cotchford Farm in East Sussex, 3rd July 1969.
ROCKMAN
Bohnam's selling exhibition of photography
by David Bailey, London, Britain - 08 Mar 2010
(L to R) Mick Jagger (1964) and The Kray Brothers (1965)
ROCKMAN
Always wondered. As the pics of Anna at the inquest show she was like a twig unlike the woman, Linda, at Cotchford.
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Re: Rolling Stone: Life And Death Of Brian Jones
Posted by:
terraplane
()
Date: January 6, 2022 11:56
Well the Kray twins were no slouches when it came to the old ultra violence. Not sure if they had any connection to the music industry but David Bailey photographed the wedding of one of them.
Re: Rolling Stone: Life And Death Of Brian Jones
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: January 6, 2022 12:12
Re: Rolling Stone: Life And Death Of Brian Jones
Posted by:
terraplane
()
Date: January 6, 2022 13:01
Yep. That's them - Ronnie and Reggie. One of them was diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic. James Fox also got tips/advice from one of them when preparing for his role in Performance.
Re: Rolling Stone: Life And Death Of Brian Jones
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: January 6, 2022 13:12
Quote
Mariuana
I read an old story that after Brian left the band, he still could have owned the name "Rolling Stones", was paid pretty much big money but refused to let them use the name. Mick and Keith came up to offer him more but he still would not let them use it because it was his band, he owned the right to it and stuff like this. Keith got angered and pull a knife on him. Then they left and the days after that, Brian was dead.
'I read an old story'....which is utter bullshit.
The band's name was owned by all 5 until Jones was sacked from the band in agreement of a fixed amount of income for as long as the Stones would exist. In 1970 they registered it as a trade mark with the four original members as owners. After Wyman left they rearranged the ownership of Promopub completely so that Jagger, Richards and Watts are directors of the company, owning the rights to all matter Stones.
Mathijs
Re: Rolling Stone: Life And Death Of Brian Jones
Posted by:
2000 LYFH
()
Date: January 6, 2022 20:44
Quote
MathijsQuote
Mariuana
I read an old story that after Brian left the band, he still could have owned the name "Rolling Stones", was paid pretty much big money but refused to let them use the name. Mick and Keith came up to offer him more but he still would not let them use it because it was his band, he owned the right to it and stuff like this. Keith got angered and pull a knife on him. Then they left and the days after that, Brian was dead.
'I read an old story'....which is utter bullshit.
The band's name was owned by all 5 until Jones was sacked from the band in agreement of a fixed amount of income for as long as the Stones would exist. In 1970 they registered it as a trade mark with the four original members as owners. After Wyman left they rearranged the ownership of Promopub completely so that Jagger, Richards and Watts are directors of the company, owning the rights to all matter Stones.
Mathijs
I thought Ronnie around 1990 became a full member? Is there a difference between being a full member and a full member/owner?
What happened to Charlie's ownership piece? Stay in his family or are Mick and Keith the only owners now?
Re: Rolling Stone: Life And Death Of Brian Jones
Posted by:
georgie48
()
Date: January 6, 2022 21:06
Quote
Mariuana
I read an old story that after Brian left the band, he still could have owned the name "Rolling Stones", was paid pretty much big money but refused to let them use the name. Mick and Keith came up to offer him more but he still would not let them use it because it was his band, he owned the right to it and stuff like this. Keith got angered and pull a knife on him. Then they left and the days after that, Brian was dead.
By 1969, it'd been clear for years that he was not interested in playing with the band anymore. He would barely show up. His part in recording process had gotten so minor it's hard to distinguish sometimes. Why would he want to do that to his former bandmates especially when given money and offered more. He knew how much it meant to them. They weren't close any longer and there were lot of fights between them but I don't believe Brian was such an ass to put a stop to them being "The Rolling Stones".
That story you mention is 100% crap. Brian first of all didn't own the name Rolling Stones any way legally. He only came up with the name (even still without the "g"!) and the others (maybe apart from Ian Stewart) agreed. Brian was the unwritten leader of the band, which basically meant that he was the spokesman for a while. He did some things together with Oldham, who was accepted by all as their manager. Nothing official additionally that would allow for any legal action of any kind.
Off course the whole history is a sad one, that any Stones fan in those days good badly do without. The possitive tone it that after almost 60 years the Rolling Stones are still alive and kicking and ... no real Rolling Stones fan has forgotten Brian. He is just as "alive" as the band itself
I'm a GHOST living in a ghost town
Re: Rolling Stone: Life And Death Of Brian Jones
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: January 6, 2022 22:48
Brian Jones' House
The 15th Century farmhouse at Hartfield, Sussex,
owned by Brian Jones of the Rolling Stones, the morning
after the musician was found dead in the swimming pool, 3rd July 1969.
ROCKMAN
Re: Rolling Stone: Life And Death Of Brian Jones
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: January 6, 2022 22:54
1969, Hartfield, Ashdown Forest, Sussex
An aerial view of the farmhouse and pool, where
Ex-Rolling Stones guitarist Brian Jones died
mysteriously while having a midnight swim on 3rd July1969
ROCKMAN
Re: Rolling Stone: Life And Death Of Brian Jones
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: January 7, 2022 02:11
Quote
Rockman
1969, Hartfield, Ashdown Forest, Sussex
An aerial view of the farmhouse and pool, where
Ex-Rolling Stones guitarist Brian Jones died
mysteriously while having a midnight swim on 3rd July1969
wow...great shot!
Re: Rolling Stone: Life And Death Of Brian Jones
Posted by:
Taylor1
()
Date: January 7, 2022 03:35
I am curious as to what legal effect or authority did Mick Keith Charlie and Bill have in firing Brian.Since he started the band what if he fired Mick and Keith in 1969, and replaced them with say Jimmy Page and Rod Stewart. I know it sounds ludicrous but could he have done it. And who had the rights to the name Rolling Stones when he was fired
Re: Rolling Stone: Life And Death Of Brian Jones
Posted by:
LeonidP
()
Date: January 7, 2022 04:08
Quote
Taylor1
I am curious as to what legal effect or authority did Mick Keith Charlie and Bill have in firing Brian.Since he started the band what if he fired Mick and Keith in 1969, and replaced them with say Jimmy Page and Rod Stewart. I know it sounds ludicrous but could he have done it. And who had the rights to the name Rolling Stones when he was fired
You're taking a fact and asking a question as if it didn't happen.
He was kicked out and they kept the name.
Re: Rolling Stone: Life And Death Of Brian Jones
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: January 7, 2022 05:07
Anna Wohlin, girlfriend of Brian Jones, and
publicist David Sandison leaving the Londonderry
Hotel for an inquest after Brian Jones death, UK, 3rd July 1969.
ROCKMAN
Re: Rolling Stone: Life And Death Of Brian Jones
Posted by:
retired_dog
()
Date: January 7, 2022 05:31
Quote
Taylor1
I am curious as to what legal effect or authority did Mick Keith Charlie and Bill have in firing Brian.Since he started the band what if he fired Mick and Keith in 1969, and replaced them with say Jimmy Page and Rod Stewart. I know it sounds ludicrous but could he have done it. And who had the rights to the name Rolling Stones when he was fired
In an equal share situation, if Mick and Keith were the dysfunctional and "out of it" ones, Brian could have convinced Charlie and Bill to fire and replace them - 3 versus 2. But as we all know, it was actually 4 versus 1.
Re: Rolling Stone: Life And Death Of Brian Jones
Posted by:
24FPS
()
Date: January 7, 2022 09:40
Quote
2000 LYFHQuote
MathijsQuote
Mariuana
I read an old story that after Brian left the band, he still could have owned the name "Rolling Stones", was paid pretty much big money but refused to let them use the name. Mick and Keith came up to offer him more but he still would not let them use it because it was his band, he owned the right to it and stuff like this. Keith got angered and pull a knife on him. Then they left and the days after that, Brian was dead.
'I read an old story'....which is utter bullshit.
The band's name was owned by all 5 until Jones was sacked from the band in agreement of a fixed amount of income for as long as the Stones would exist. In 1970 they registered it as a trade mark with the four original members as owners. After Wyman left they rearranged the ownership of Promopub completely so that Jagger, Richards and Watts are directors of the company, owning the rights to all matter Stones.
Mathijs
I thought Ronnie around 1990 became a full member? Is there a difference between being a full member and a full member/owner?
What happened to Charlie's ownership piece? Stay in his family or are Mick and Keith the only owners now?
I think Ronnie became a full member when Bill left in 1993. They probably didn't want another member to leave and jeopardize the band even further.
Re: Rolling Stone: Life And Death Of Brian Jones
Posted by:
georgie48
()
Date: January 7, 2022 10:56
Quote
24FPSQuote
2000 LYFHQuote
MathijsQuote
Mariuana
I read an old story that after Brian left the band, he still could have owned the name "Rolling Stones", was paid pretty much big money but refused to let them use the name. Mick and Keith came up to offer him more but he still would not let them use it because it was his band, he owned the right to it and stuff like this. Keith got angered and pull a knife on him. Then they left and the days after that, Brian was dead.
'I read an old story'....which is utter bullshit.
The band's name was owned by all 5 until Jones was sacked from the band in agreement of a fixed amount of income for as long as the Stones would exist. In 1970 they registered it as a trade mark with the four original members as owners. After Wyman left they rearranged the ownership of Promopub completely so that Jagger, Richards and Watts are directors of the company, owning the rights to all matter Stones.
Mathijs
I thought Ronnie around 1990 became a full member? Is there a difference between being a full member and a full member/owner?
What happened to Charlie's ownership piece? Stay in his family or are Mick and Keith the only owners now?
I think Ronnie became a full member when Bill left in 1993. They probably didn't want another member to leave and jeopardize the band even further.
You all overlook one thing. When the Rolling Stones quit from DECCA/London Records and Alan Klein, they started their own company, Rolling Stones Records. So instead of "just being a band with a record contract and a manager (which whom "kicked out" in 1967 and replaced by AK, whom they also "kicked out"), the band was now a company ... with four directors (Mick Taylor was on a contract deal). This makes a hell of a difference! Charlie's ownership stays in his family, unless the latter decide differently.
I'm a GHOST living in a ghost town
Re: Rolling Stone: Life And Death Of Brian Jones
Posted by:
Mariuana
()
Date: January 7, 2022 18:29
Well I read it on the keno's website. I never believed that story. That sounded like an utter BS for me.
Re: Rolling Stone: Life And Death Of Brian Jones
Posted by:
2000 LYFH
()
Date: January 7, 2022 19:31
Quote
Rockman
Anna Wohlin, girlfriend of Brian Jones, and
publicist David Sandison leaving the Londonderry
Hotel for an inquest after Brian Jones death, UK, 3rd July 1969.
Wow Rockman, never saw this picture, any other pictures you got I also never saw?
Re: Rolling Stone: Life And Death Of Brian Jones
Posted by:
LeonidP
()
Date: January 7, 2022 19:54
Quote
2000 LYFH
Wow Rockman, never saw this picture, any other pictures you got I also never saw?
I'll venture a guess he has a lot of pics we never saw - and probably don't want to!
Re: Rolling Stone: Life And Death Of Brian Jones
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: January 7, 2022 21:38
Tom Keylock, Stones gofer, outside Cotchford Farm
at Hartfield, Sussex, talks to a photographer. 3 July 1969
ROCKMAN
Re: Rolling Stone: Life And Death Of Brian Jones
Posted by:
24FPS
()
Date: January 7, 2022 21:43
Bravo, Rockman.
Re: Rolling Stone: Life And Death Of Brian Jones
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: January 7, 2022 23:28
Tom Keylock and
ROCKMAN
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2022-01-08 00:16 by Rockman.
Re: Rolling Stone: Life And Death Of Brian Jones
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: January 7, 2022 23:40
Tom Keylock, chauffeur and 'fixer' for the Rolling Stones,
talking to
Earlier that day, Rolling Stones member
Brian Jones had drowned in the farm's swimming pool.
ROCKMAN
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2022-01-08 00:15 by Rockman.
Re: Rolling Stone: Life And Death Of Brian Jones
Posted by:
TheflyingDutchman
()
Date: January 7, 2022 23:47
Quote
DandelionPowderman
Godfather worthy.
Re: Rolling Stone: Life And Death Of Brian Jones
Posted by:
paulspendel
()
Date: January 8, 2022 00:11
The woman in the picture with Tom is not Janet Lawson. It’s Jacky Shaw. She came to fetch Anna Wohlin. Jacky’s husband Tony Shaw from Enfield drove three guests away from Cotchford the night before,before The Sussex Police arrived. Tony passed away in 2019, Jacky is still around.
Re: Rolling Stone: Life And Death Of Brian Jones
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: January 8, 2022 00:14
Okay Paul .... I'll change
ROCKMAN
ROCKMAN
Re: Rolling Stone: Life And Death Of Brian Jones
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: January 8, 2022 00:33
Brian Jones' girlfriend Anna Wohlin (left) and another woman, possibly
ROCKMAN
Re: Rolling Stone: Life And Death Of Brian Jones
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: January 8, 2022 01:08
Re: Rolling Stone: Life And Death Of Brian Jones
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: January 8, 2022 01:09
UH OH !!!!!!!!!!!!!
ROCKMAN
ROCKMAN
Re: Rolling Stone: Life And Death Of Brian Jones
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: January 8, 2022 01:18
Bohnam's selling exhibition of photography
by David Bailey, London, Britain - 08 Mar 2010
(L to R) Mick Jagger (1964) and The Kray Brothers (1965)
ROCKMAN
Re: Rolling Stone: Life And Death Of Brian Jones
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: January 8, 2022 01:31
Quote
Rockman
UH OH !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Always wondered. As the pics of Anna at the inquest show she was like a twig unlike the woman, Linda, at Cotchford.
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