Just thought I'd start a friendly discussion/debate and pair up every Stones album with its Beatles counterpart. For example, the Stones' first album England's Newest Hitmakers against the Beatles' first album, Please Please Me. Going to go all the way up to the Beatles last album and won't be including the album Yellow Submarine. Will post the next matchup every other day or so. Remember, I am doing this to start a friendly discussion/debate for the holidays!!

I'm going with Please Please Me as the overall better album.

So with that, the first matchup!!:







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To be fair, in terms of songwriting, and being musical geniuses, I think The Beatles always owned the Stones big time when both bands existed.. and they helped them get started by writing I Wanna Be Your Man for them.

Both are very great. 1-1
Songwritting,....,beatles
Groove and feeling....stones

Technically, if you start with England's Newest Hitmakers, then you should put Introducing... The Beatles or Meet The Beatles! for comparison.

Otherwise the pair should be The Rolling Stones vs. Please Please Me.

If you’re leaving off Yellow Submarine, will you be skipping Satanic Majesties?

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To be fair, in terms of songwriting, and being musical geniuses, I think The Beatles always owned the Stones big time when both bands existed.. and they helped them get started by writing I Wanna Be Your Man for them.

Musical geniuses---who made truckloads of crappy songs. You fell hard for the hype.To be fair, that's embarrassing.

I have a random thought that the Beatles sound almost generic, but the Stones at their best a very exciting sound.
As for the 1st albums…. Beatles very polished even early on. The Stones sound more raw somehow..

7 best Stones albums, The big 4, Tattoo You, and 2 others compare favorably in terms of song writing with the best 7 Beatles albums.The Beatles wrote lots of dreck .Half of the White Album is crap:BungalowBill, Glass Onion, Piggies, Happiness is a Warm Gun, Honey Pie, Revolution 9 Sexy Sadie,,Rocky Raccoon.Sgt Pepper has crap like Benefit of Mr Kite, Good Morning, WhenIm 64, Lovely Rita… There’s plenty of other crappy songs on their other albums like Your Mother Should Know, Run for Your Life, Maxwells Silver Hammer, For You Blue, Good Day Sunshine



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Rolling Stones raw .. ruthless power ...

Mop Tops color by numbers stuff ....



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Rockman
Rolling Stones raw .. ruthless power ...

Mop Tops color by numbers stuff ....

Yup. I’ll go with the stones over the Beatles with this one for that energy.
Please please me has some really soppy pop stuff on there.

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To be fair, in terms of songwriting, and being musical geniuses, I think The Beatles always owned the Stones big time when both bands existed.. and they helped them get started by writing I Wanna Be Your Man for them.

This is true.

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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......

Covers sure ... but Mona ... King Bee ..
Carol ... Route ..Honest that amphetamine fueled
Make Love To You slaughter anything on that Moppy Toppy album ..

And the Jagger/Richards soul of Tell Me still holds its own



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The Beatles “invented” the album genre in that it wasn’t a hit single and 11 other fillers. Everything, every song has its place. I give them that.

The Stones though “attacked” the album genre and created a real, full, lithe and rocking rock and roll album here.

Stones 1, Beatles 0

Rod

both albums are great

however


stones win by quality of there performances


but the beatles had better original songs

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NilsHolgersson
To be fair, in terms of songwriting, and being musical geniuses, I think The Beatles always owned the Stones big time when both bands existed.. and they helped them get started by writing I Wanna Be Your Man for them.

This is true.

The Beatles started in 1956,and the Stones in 1962.So you really can’t compare them in 1964.A better comparison would be Beatles1957-1970 and Stones 1962-1978.

In '63 both bands had a crack at an
Arthur Alexander song but Stones win
hands down with You Better Move On .....



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ProfessorWolf
both albums are great

however


stones win by quality of there performances


but the beatles had better original songs

I agree, but Lennon and McCartney started writing in 1957.Jagger and Richards not until 1964.A better comparison would be 1964vs1971

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ironbelly
Technically, if you start with England's Newest Hitmakers, then you should put Introducing... The Beatles or Meet The Beatles! for comparison.

Otherwise the pair should be The Rolling Stones vs. Please Please Me.

I'm picking the US albums for the Stones and the UK albums for The Beatles as those are the most popular markets for them commercially.

England's Newest Hitmakers is far superior to Please Please Me!

Please has some great songs!
I Saw Her Standing There, Misery, Do You Want to Know a Secret, etc.

but England's has incredible songs, starting w/ Not Fade Away, Route 66, Honest I Do, Little By Little, King Bee ...

Stones 1, Beatles 0

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ProfessorWolf
both albums are great

however


stones win by quality of there performances


but the beatles had better original songs

I agree, but Lennon and McCartney started writing in 1957.Jagger and Richards not until 1964.A better comparison would be 1964vs1971

thats intersting

i hadn't considered that

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Rockman
In '63 both bands had a crack at an
Arthur Alexander song but Stones win
hands down with You Better Move On .....

i guess what the beatles needed that the stones had was a shot of rhythm and blues

with just a little rock n roll on the side just for good measure

I get it Profess .... I get it ...

Moppy Tops or Derelict Blues band ..... hhhhhhaaaaa



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ironbelly
Technically, if you start with England's Newest Hitmakers, then you should put Introducing... The Beatles or Meet The Beatles! for comparison.

Otherwise the pair should be The Rolling Stones vs. Please Please Me.

I'm picking the US albums for the Stones and the UK albums for The Beatles as those are the most popular markets for them commercially.

Understandable that you do. However, as to the Stones, I as a European, who bought the Decca albums during the 60s, don't even know the US counterparts' contents, without looking at Album Talk threads. Even if I were to do so, I still would not at a personal level fully relate to those releases, and what they comprise.

So that makes me one of those, that will abstain from posting, maybe read some posts, others not, without looking at track listings. Not meant as an objection on my part, go ahead.

Edits: Correction of language error.



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The UK albums tower over the US releases ...
More tracks too ...



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JordyLicks96
Just thought I'd start a friendly discussion/debate and pair up every Stones album with its Beatles counterpart. For example, the Stones' first album England's Newest Hitmakers against the Beatles' first album, Please Please Me. Going to go all the way up to the Beatles last album and won't be including the album Yellow Submarine. Will post the next matchup every other day or so. Remember, I am doing this to start a friendly discussion/debate for the holidays!!

So with that, the first matchup!!

I like it.

Great context in accordance to the timeline of the same!

Should and could be quite informative!

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Rockman
The UK albums tower over the US releases ...
More tracks too ...

as a american your right they do

especially aftermarth and between the buttons


but i prefer the us versions of the beatles albums

...how about we jump ahead a little to 1996?

The war still rages as the two legends continue to fight it out on the charts...

The Rolling Stones Rock N' Roll Circus vs. Beatles Anthology 3

This is very difficult. Whilst I probably enjoy both equally, Please Please Me is seemingly for more critically revered. It’s such an iconic statement: from the picture sleeve, to the story of the recording session. Regarding the Stones’ debut: I feel that London butchered the sleeve and ruined the track-listing. Not having Route 66 as that opener, ruins the dynamic and explosive urgency. It’s the artwork that really gets me, however. By having ‘England’s Newest Hitmakers’ plastered on, London has really missed the whole point: no words were necessary.

The UK albums are as nature intended. The early US albums are hodgepodge releases created by the record companies to make the most out of the material, omitting certain tracks to save them for other releases, having singles on albums etc.

So if you want a fair comparison, do UK-UK or US-US, otherwise it makes little to no sense at all.

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7 best Stones albums, The big 4, Tattoo You, and 2 others compare favorably in terms of song writing with the best 7 Beatles albums.The Beatles wrote lots of dreck .Half of the White Album is crap:BungalowBill, Glass Onion, Piggies, Happiness is a Warm Gun, Honey Pie, Revolution 9 Sexy Sadie,,Rocky Raccoon.Sgt Pepper has crap like Benefit of Mr Kite, Good Morning, WhenIm 64, Lovely Rita… There’s plenty of other crappy songs on their other albums like Your Mother Should Know, Run for Your Life, Maxwells Silver Hammer, For You Blue, Good Day Sunshine

Exactly-Beatle heads always tell me how “influential” they were and how they took music in so many different directions, ok great.I’m sure if you were doing acid in 1967 this was amazing stuff but it doesn’t hold up.
If the Beatles weren’t the first big English band they would be the Kinks.
When you bring out Gimme Shelter, Sympathy for the Devil, Midnight Rambler Jumpin Jack Flash etc it’s a complete wipeout in favor of The Stones.