If you had to choose your Fav. band (beside the stones) in Europe and Us/ can?

The Kinks would be my no. 1 in Europe. Great songs and one of the best songwriters---Ray Davies

CCR---just great.

gotta name a few: The Ramones, The Replacements, The Kinks, The Sex Pistols, Dylan (does that count?)...The Who (with Keith Moon)...The New York Dolls, Iggy & the Stooges, CCR



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No Dylan's not a band as far as I know.

the who, animals,kinks


zz top , pretenders, doors,

Europe: Beatles, Who, Zep

U.S.: Jefferson Airplane, Doors, Replacements, Nirvana, Pixies, White Stripes

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> No Dylan's not a band as far as I know.


so, he plays all the instruments (one-man band)

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"If you had to choose your Fav. band (beside the stones) in Europe and Us/ can?

The Kinks would be my no. 1 in Europe. Great songs and one of the best songwriters---Ray Davies "

Sure Ray is great both as a composer and as a writer. In this second role, he might be more important than Mick. Saw them 4 times live. Superb. Dave was a fine rock guitarplayer. Underrated nowadays.

Ray Davies might possibly be the most unsung songwriter in rock/pop history

Yeah, the Kinks are good, and overlooked. Ray and Dave should get a band together and tour. I know they always argued, are they not even speaking these days or something?

I do appreciate this comment. Maybe some days when rock history will be taught
at school, his real place will be awarded to him.

and also, Ray Davies as a frontman may also be underappreciated...saw the Kinks in the late '70's (Low-Buget, Misfits era)....he was "dynamite" on stage...all over the place (even with his geetar)a wiry fellow with a thousand volts shot into his body! and a sense of humour thrown in the mix



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Dylan is the only one matches or even excels the Stones. Nobody else. Period. The Beach Boys come pretty close along with the Beatles. The Kinks are awesome as well.

Charles Baudelaire
1821-1867

Leonard Keringer wrote:


Ray Davies as a frontman may also be underappreciated...saw the Kinks in the late '70's (Low-Buget, Misfits era)....he was "dynamite" on stage...all over the place (even with his geetar)a wiry fellow with a thousand volts shot into his body.


Possibly something shot (snorted) into his nose!

Elmo Lewis Wrote:
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> Leonard Keringer wrote:
>
>
> Ray Davies as a frontman may also be
> underappreciated...saw the Kinks in the late '70's
> (Low-Buget, Misfits era)....he was "dynamite" on
> stage...all over the place (even with his geetar)a
> wiry fellow with a thousand volts shot into his
> body.
>
>
> Possibly something shot (snorted) into his
> nose!
>
and i was wondering why Ray kept sniffing his amp

the kinks early records might actually be better than the stones early records...especially the playing...by far better players in the early days before the stones caught up in the very late 60's..
do the test yourself..put on a kinks and stones album from the mid 60's and the play on shuffle you'll see difference..its silly..stones are still the greatest though.

I never knew what's so great about the Creedence Clearwater Revival or John Fogerty either. I think they are massively overrated, however they're much better liked in the US than in Europe where noone really cares about them. The only thing I like about them are the cover versions by other people ("Rockin' all over the world" by Status Quo, "Proud Mary" by Ike & Tina Turner). The sound always sounded somewhat cheap to me...

It's a different thing with the Kinks which are still kicking ass (if they want). You wouldn't believe it if you only listen to their mid 60s output. Though some say they invented heavy metal ("You really got me").

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> I never knew what's so great about the Creedence
> Clearwater Revival


i'll throw a few reasons at ya Cap: Travelin Band, Lookin Out My Back Door, Up Around The Bend, Who'll Stop The Rain, Born On The Bayou, Proud Mary, Green River, Wrote A Song For Everyone, Bad Moon Rising, Lodi, Down On The Corner, It Came Out Of The Sky, Fortunate Son, Commotion, Run Through The Jungle, Sweet Hitch-Hiker.....not to mention Fogerty's rough & tumble vocals and barbed-wire guitar brilliance....imho

No problem, Leonard, I got their songs (even on CD). I just don't get why they are thought to be sooo great when I think they ain't... if it's New Orleans sound I prefer to hear the real stuff (Meters, Neville Brothers, Clifton Chenier) instead of some white guys from San Francisco playing "swamp rock". I somehow never got what they were into. I prefer Dale Hawkins "Suzie Q" to theirs, they were light years away from Screamin' Jay Hawkins when they tried "I put a spell on you".

Btw it's the same with guys like Paul Butterfield - why on Earth should I listen to him instead of Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf, Bo Diddley...?

I guess it has much top do with the US black/white racist thing that those groups were so big in the USA but not really anywhere in Europe where people preferred to listen to the originals.

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>............ instead of some white guys from San Francisco
> playing "swamp rock".............


Even though I like CCR, the Captain nailed it with this analogy.

F.U.C. the Captain Wrote:
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> No problem, Leonard, I got their songs (even on
> CD). I just don't get why they are thought to be
> sooo great when I think they ain't... if it's New
> Orleans sound I prefer to hear the real stuff
> (Meters, Neville Brothers, Clifton Chenier)
> instead of some white guys from San Francisco
> playing "swamp rock". I somehow never got what
> they were into. I prefer Dale Hawkins "Suzie Q" to
> theirs, they were light years away from Screamin'
> Jay Hawkins when they tried "I put a spell on
> you".
>
> Btw it's the same with guys like Paul Butterfield
> - why on Earth should I listen to him instead of
> Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf, Bo Diddley...?
>
> I guess it has much top do with the US black/white
> racist thing that those groups were so big in the
> USA but not really anywhere in Europe where people
> preferred to listen to the originals.


i hear ya Cap....also, you could apply that theory to quite a few of the British Invasion bands (including the Stones)...and as the cliche goes: to each his own

Leonard Keringer Wrote:
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> i hear ya Cap....also, you could apply
> that theory to quite a few of the British Invasion
> bands (including the Stones)...and as the cliche
> goes: to each his own

You're right about that, of course. Just one little difference: if black music from the USA was played in Europe it was because the black artists didn't tour in Europe. As soon as the Europeans get to know them they invited them to tours and festivals and TV shows and also bought their records. In fact the British Invasion groups had to bring the blues back to the USA. Otherwise the whites wouldn't have noticed it (always some exceptions of course). Isn't it ridiculous?

While in the USA... you know the story. Just take one example: a monster artist like Howlin' Wolf - he had ONE single appearance in national US TV (in 1965 at "Shindig!" - only because the Stones insisted and wanted him in the same show they were in). Otherwise absolutely NOTHING. Isn't that sad?

It's just an observation, no judgement.

Leonard Keringer Wrote:
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> Ray Davies might possibly be the most unsung
> songwriter in rock/pop history


very possibly true - i certainly don't sing him

You really got me....on that one T & A

F.U.C. the Captain Wrote:
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> Leonard Keringer Wrote:
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> -----
> > i hear ya Cap....also, you could
> apply
> > that theory to quite a few of the British
> Invasion
> > bands (including the Stones)...and as the
> cliche
> > goes: to each his own
>
> You're right about that, of course. Just one
> little difference: if black music from the USA was
> played in Europe it was because the black artists
> didn't tour in Europe. As soon as the Europeans
> get to know them they invited them to tours and
> festivals and TV shows and also bought their
> records. In fact the British Invasion groups had
> to bring the blues back to the USA. Otherwise the
> whites wouldn't have noticed it (always some
> exceptions of course). Isn't it ridiculous?
>
> While in the USA... you know the story. Just take
> one example: a monster artist like Howlin' Wolf -
> he had ONE single appearance in national US TV (in
> 1965 at "Shindig!" - only because the Stones
> insisted and wanted him in the same show they were
> in). Otherwise absolutely NOTHING. Isn't that
> sad?
>
> It's just an observation, no judgement.


yeah Cap....some sad facts indeed....whats that quote?...oh yeah: you're never a prophet in your own home town

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> Leonard Keringer Wrote:
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> -----
> > i hear ya Cap....also, you could
> apply
> > that theory to quite a few of the British
> Invasion
> > bands (including the Stones)...and as the
> cliche
> > goes: to each his own
>
> You're right about that, of course. Just one
> little difference: if black music from the USA was
> played in Europe it was because the black artists
> didn't tour in Europe. As soon as the Europeans
> get to know them they invited them to tours and
> festivals and TV shows and also bought their
> records.

Yeah, but even after Muddy Waters and Howlin' Wolf, etc. started touring the U.K, they still weren't as big as the Stones and other white bands. If there was any racism at work here (I happen to like the Stones better than Muddy Waters, but it has nothing to do with race) it was on both sides of the pond.

Us: Aerosmith
Europe: U2

Cheers,
Wuudy

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> F.U.C. the Captain Wrote:
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> > Leonard Keringer Wrote:
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> > -----
> > >
>
> Yeah, but even after Muddy Waters and Howlin'
> Wolf, etc. started touring the U.K, they still
> weren't as big as the Stones and other white
> bands. If there was any racism at work here (I
> happen to like the Stones better than Muddy
> Waters, but it has nothing to do with race) it was
> on both sides of the pond.


could it have been "youth culture"?...Muddy & the Wolf were old men at the time....was it that most kids could not identify with them....but when the Stones put their twist on the rhythm'n'blues, etc. with their energy & image it clicked

Leonard Keringer Wrote:
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> could it have been "youth
> culture"?...Muddy & the Wolf were old men at
> the time....was it that most kids could not
> identify with them....but when the Stones put
> their twist on the rhythm'n'blues, etc. with their
> energy & image it clicked

Sounds like a reasonable explanation to me. Also, a lot of people are probably like me in that they like blues and blues-based rock, but they prefer the later to the former. I'd rather hear a bunch of old guys like the Stones play bluesy rock 'n' roll than hear a young guy like Keb Mo play traditional blues, but it has nothing to do with age or race, just musical preference.

ohnonotyouagain Wrote:
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> Yeah, but even after Muddy Waters and Howlin'
> Wolf, etc. started touring the U.K, they still
> weren't as big as the Stones and other white
> bands. If there was any racism at work here (I
> happen to like the Stones better than Muddy
> Waters, but it has nothing to do with race) it was
> on both sides of the pond.

I agree about the racism on both sides of the pond. I wouldn't want to know what fruits of racism Europe would offer had it 10% or 15% of black people (descendants of former slaves) within its borders. In fact many slaves were sold in Africa by Arabs and other black folks to Europeans who shipped and sold them to the emigrated whites in Southern and Northern America. Probably blues and rock'n'roll and so the Rolling Stones wouldn't exist if there hadn't been slavery in the USA. Is it better to have slavery and blues or no slavery and no Stones? Fact is there was slavery. There is blues. There is a moon, the stars and the Rolling Stones. There wouldn't be any Stones without the input by black people. Some Stones fans are aware of it.

Still about the USA it surprises me they don't really recognize the national treasures they are hoarding to this day.

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> Still about the USA it surprises me they don't
> really recognize the national treasures they are
> hoarding to this day.

Too true. I am American and can tell you from a lifetime of observation that roughly half of all Americans have their heads jammed squarely up their asses.