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SomeTorontoGirl
and formed a musical friendship that would lead to the foundation of The Rolling Stones in 1962.
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SomeTorontoGirl
Rolling Stones blue plaque: Jagger-Richards Dartford train meet marked
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ukcal
So will Mick or Keith mention this in LA tonite??
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LeonidP
Actually it is accurate. They did meet there, and went on to form the Rolling Stones -- it doesn't say that others weren't involved nor who came up w/ the name etc.
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ukcal
Yes!! they did mention it, Mick and Keith came together at LA2 while the crew were looking for the 12 string!! before wild horses.
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ukcal
Yes!! they did mention it, Mick and Keith came together at LA2 while the crew were looking for the 12 string!! before wild horses.
[www.YouTube.com] - (Pos. 33:35).
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SomeTorontoGirl
and formed a musical friendship that would lead to the foundation of The Rolling Stones in 1962.
(Clarification... it's a quote from the BBC and not SomeTorontoGirl.)
As everyone here knows that is, of course, massively wrong and rewrites history.
Brian Jones founded the group!
It's doubly annoying because (following pre-publicity) I was in touch with the annoying Mr Kite and he had agreed that the Plaque would be worded differently and accurately. He's a politician, so he lied.
I even found someone willing to pay for a new plaque to replace the incorrect wording.
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Lady Jayne
... Frankly, I have always thought Andrew Loog Oldham was more important to the development of the Stones than Brian. (running for shelter...)
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Lady Jayne
... Frankly, I have always thought Andrew Loog Oldham was more important to the development of the Stones than Brian. (running for shelter...)
I don't think you're wrong.
Brian, of course, brought exquisite musicianship to the band ...
...but exquisite musicianship was not what brought success to aspiring young "beat groups" in those early 1960s.
Good fortune and a knack for selling an image were far more important
[With hard graft and dedication taken as givens ]
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Nikkei
I'm still wondering how the actual date was confirmed (if it was)
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georgie48
... and that would have been the case, one way or the other ... Lady Jayne, means you don't see the total picture.
Oldham (who was sort of a publicity assistant to Beatles manager Epstein) was made aware of the existance of the Rollin' Stones, the London based Blues cover band. Without Brian's passion there would not have been a band named the Rollin' Stones. So in that situation Oldham would with a 99.99% chance NOT ever have met with Mick and Keith at any point anywhere. The local London reputation of those Rollin' Stones was already so powerful, that it even reached the ears of some of the Beatles (George Harrison) and Oldham surfaced in the lives of those "not even close to having a record contract" Stones. Once in, Oldham came up with the idea of Mick and Keith writing their own songs, simply because he was clever enough to see that if "his Stones" were to compete with the Beatles, songwriting was the only real option.
Real diehard fans know the kind of crap Mick and Keith started writing. The power of the Rollin' Stones as a band (Brian's band, to start with, even admitted by Mick and Keith; blues, blues, blues) gradually helped them (and also listening to many excisting blues/gospel songs, like the Staples Singers' "This could be the last time") to improve their song writing which eventually became the key to the Stones' enormous commercial success and made Mick and Keith the oh so important "high quality gasoline" that kept the band rolling for almost 60 years now. Remember what Keith said: "The best songwriters are those with the biggest record collection"
They were a powerful live band from the very start (even before Oldham showed up) and that has always been the "secret" magic of the Rolling Stones, and it's been like that ever since. Just quote Bobby Dylan ... they were and are and will always be the best ...
Mick, Keith, Ronnie ... we still love you ... forever!
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georgie48
... and that would have been the case, one way or the other ... Lady Jayne, means you don't see the total picture.
Oldham (who was sort of a publicity assistant to Beatles manager Epstein) was made aware of the existance of the Rollin' Stones, the London based Blues cover band. Without Brian's passion there would not have been a band named the Rollin' Stones. So in that situation Oldham would with a 99.99% chance NOT ever have met with Mick and Keith at any point anywhere. The local London reputation of those Rollin' Stones was already so powerful, that it even reached the ears of some of the Beatles (George Harrison) and Oldham surfaced in the lives of those "not even close to having a record contract" Stones. Once in, Oldham came up with the idea of Mick and Keith writing their own songs, simply because he was clever enough to see that if "his Stones" were to compete with the Beatles, songwriting was the only real option.
Real diehard fans know the kind of crap Mick and Keith started writing. The power of the Rollin' Stones as a band (Brian's band, to start with, even admitted by Mick and Keith; blues, blues, blues) gradually helped them (and also listening to many excisting blues/gospel songs, like the Staples Singers' "This could be the last time") to improve their song writing which eventually became the key to the Stones' enormous commercial success and made Mick and Keith the oh so important "high quality gasoline" that kept the band rolling for almost 60 years now. Remember what Keith said: "The best songwriters are those with the biggest record collection"
They were a powerful live band from the very start (even before Oldham showed up) and that has always been the "secret" magic of the Rolling Stones, and it's been like that ever since. Just quote Bobby Dylan ... they were and are and will always be the best ...
Mick, Keith, Ronnie ... we still love you ... forever!
These 'Sliding Doors' arguments about 'what if?' can never be resolved but I find it hard to believe Mick and Keith wouldn't have formed a band with or without Brian. It might have been called something else, but it would have been blues influenced and ultimately the name is unimportant. Mick, in particular, was so obviously a star from the outset, and the blues world was so tiny in 1962, there is no way they wouldn't have ended up attracting attention and meeting Korner and Gomelesky etc. What is the DNA of the band we love is the music written by Mick and Keith - without that, Brian's covers band would have withered and died, even without his descent into addictions. Every moment and connection matters, of course, but the pivotal one was the meeting which threw Mick and Keith into each other paths with a bunch of records, I believe.
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Mick did mention the date last night at the LA-2 show, stating it was 60 years to the date since he met Keith at the Dartford train station.