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Stoneage
I still don't get it: Keith has obvious problems with intros and solos, the guitar section is often disconnected and sometimes Keith has to sit down to nail the chords - and still people talk about playing "only" 17 songs is the main problem. And you don't have to have been to one or more shows to notice it. A cell phone stream is all you need to understand that. Surely, even a super fan have eyes and ears?
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Hendrik
... I really wonder if for all people who think the Stones should stop if they have seen the Stones in 2021....
Hendrik Mulder
The thing here is not to ask if people have seen the Stones in 2021, but whether if people have seen the Stones before 2021 !
I won't be surprised that if they will keep on playin' sitting on chairs, there will be some people to claim it was great.
Cause it likely would be.
The first question was the correct one of course.
Everyone has seen them prior. If you saw them in 2021 and walked away saying they should hang it up, you weren't at any of the shows I attended.
Have no doubt that even amongst the most rabid "cheerleader" type fans (hand proudly up), if they ever reached a stage where the over-all quality had noticeably and embarrassingly deteriorated, we would be amongst the most vocal that they should hang it up.
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Honestman
Hope you will enjoy the 60th anniversary shows it will be even more better !
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georgemcdonnell314
Why would they stop?
So what if they are older and not able to play as well.
Not every venue is going to sound good. Keith can play out of tune if he wants.
We all miss Charlie but Steve has stepped up and done a pretty good job of it.
To all of you who think they should stop ask this.
Are you going to stop doing what you love to do?
Wasn't Chuck Berry still playing in his 80's?
Yes, Chuck Berry was playing in his 80s but it was sad. I saw him maybe 10 times, but I left my last Chuck's concerts in the half time break, almost in tears, it was unbearable. Do you want the Stones to end like this?
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Hendrik
... I really wonder if for all people who think the Stones should stop if they have seen the Stones in 2021....
Hendrik Mulder
The thing here is not to ask if people have seen the Stones in 2021, but whether if people have seen the Stones before 2021 !
I won't be surprised that if they will keep on playin' sitting on chairs, there will be some people to claim it was great.
Cause it likely would be.
The first question was the correct one of course.
Everyone has seen them prior. If you saw them in 2021 and walked away saying they should hang it up, you weren't at any of the shows I attended.
Have no doubt that even amongst the most rabid "cheerleader" type fans (hand proudly up), if they ever reached a stage where the over-all quality had noticeably and embarrassingly deteriorated, we would be amongst the most vocal that they should hang it up.
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Stoneage
I still don't get it: Keith has obvious problems with intros and solos, the guitar section is often disconnected and sometimes Keith has to sit down to nail the chords - and still people talk about playing "only" 17 songs is the main problem. And you don't have to have been to one or more shows to notice it. A cell phone stream is all you need to understand that. Surely, even a super fan have eyes and ears?
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Stoneage
I still don't get it: Keith has obvious problems with intros and solos, the guitar section is often disconnected and sometimes Keith has to sit down to nail the chords - and still people talk about playing "only" 17 songs is the main problem. And you don't have to have been to one or more shows to notice it. A cell phone stream is all you need to understand that. Surely, even a super fan have eyes and ears?
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angee
"so as far as i can figure 6 great shows 6 ok shows and 2 bad shows."
So Prof Wolf, which shows are which? First 6 great, second six okay and last two bad or what?
Which ones did you actually see in person?
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TheGreek
So very typical Stones tour where they start out with 19 tunes in the set list and then one got picked off to 18 tunes and by tours end they whittled it down to 17 tunes !
I don't typically make it a habit to engage in these kinds of threads, but I will say that for the kind of money the Stones charge for their shows, I think it is an insult to the fans to get less than 20 songs at a concert.
And yes, I get the argument, we should be happy that these almost 80 year old men are out there performing for the masses, etc, etc, etc. If other fans are happy seeing the Stones perform 17 songs in wheelchairs (not an unlikely possibility should they continue to perform), be my guest, but I wont be laying down the bucks for that spectacle. I've got lots of CDs and videos of the Stones in their prime to keep me happy....
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So very typical Stones tour where they start out with 19 tunes in the set list and then one got picked off to 18 tunes and by tours end they whittled it down to 17 tunes !
I don't typically make it a habit to engage in these kinds of threads, but I will say that for the kind of money the Stones charge for their shows, I think it is an insult to the fans to get less than 20 songs at a concert.
And yes, I get the argument, we should be happy that these almost 80 year old men are out there performing for the masses, etc, etc, etc. If other fans are happy seeing the Stones perform 17 songs in wheelchairs (not an unlikely possibility should they continue to perform), be my guest, but I wont be laying down the bucks for that spectacle. I've got lots of CDs and videos of the Stones in their prime to keep me happy....
That could so easily be fixed by retiring the over long, over wrought and over played MISS YOU, SFTD and YCAWYW - three songs that actually take up half an hour, and substitute in Crazy Mama, Under my Thumb, Angie, Wild Horses and, I don't know, The Last Time. 3 LONG songs out, makes a std setlist of 16 (from the NORMAL 19) - ADD in 5 short songs to the std 16 and budda bing, a 21 song setlist thats over 2 hours long just and adds 4 new warhorses ... Under my Thumb, The Last Time, Wild Horses and Angie - tracks EVERYStones fan (well, MOST!) would love to hear every show and rotates in an "oddity" - in this instance Crazy Mama that they can shuffle with Not Fade Away or Ride 'em on Down, or Get off my Cloud or She Was Hot or...you get the drift... Also removes Keith from having to play SFTD solos....
Yet they persist in playing 3 songs for a total 30 minutes. Yes, fans like SFTD, YCAGWYW and Miss You. But we also like Angie, The Last Time, Wild Horses and Under my Thumb!
Just an example of how they COULD freshen up the setlist, take out the difficult solos for Keith, increase the overall number of songs performed to 21 (STILL 20 on an off-night!) and still play "warhorses" that we all know/love.
Even Satisfaction could be shortened a bit...
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georgemcdonnell314
Why would they stop?
So what if they are older and not able to play as well.
Not every venue is going to sound good. Keith can play out of tune if he wants.
We all miss Charlie but Steve has stepped up and done a pretty good job of it.
To all of you who think they should stop ask this.
Are you going to stop doing what you love to do?
Wasn't Chuck Berry still playing in his 80's?
Yes, Chuck Berry was playing in his 80s but it was sad. I saw him maybe 10 times, but I left my last Chuck's concerts in the half time break, almost in tears, it was unbearable. Do you want the Stones to end like this?
I sure would. You prefer them being old and rotting at home or on a lawn chair?
The first time I saw BB King, he was 89, and sat on a chair the entire show, but it was fantastic! Just the mere presence of him, I was in awe!
...Or he could have just stayed home and watch the tele, as you seem to have preferred.
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Hendrik
... I really wonder if for all people who think the Stones should stop if they have seen the Stones in 2021....
Hendrik Mulder
The thing here is not to ask if people have seen the Stones in 2021, but whether if people have seen the Stones before 2021 !
[I won't be surprised that if they will keep on playin' sitting on chairs], there will be some people to claim it was great.
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Zotz
set up at the beginning included "rusty metal stools" were they sat while playing. per Bill Wyman
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LeonidP
I'm all for lesser songs ... 90 mins is ideal! 120 mins max! I never cared for the 3 hour shows much ('81 I did, but that was my first time).
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LeonidP
I'm all for lesser songs ... 90 mins is ideal! 120 mins max! I never cared for the 3 hour shows much ('81 I did, but that was my first time).
Hey folks
I just don´t get it - people, who ever they are, thinking they are in charge of deciding when it´s time for Mick, Keith, Ronnie and the band to call it a day??!!??
Who the hell do you think you are?
What "rules" are you talking about?
Did you ever spend a thought that what made the Stones great was them being reluctant to any of these expectations?
Sorry, I don´t GET IT!!!
And I´m looking forward to Europe 22!
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I'm all for lesser songs ... 90 mins is ideal! 120 mins max! I never cared for the 3 hour shows much ('81 I did, but that was my first time).
Hey folks
I just don´t get it - people, who ever they are, thinking they are in charge of deciding when it´s time for Mick, Keith, Ronnie and the band to call it a day??!!??
Who the hell do you think you are?
What "rules" are you talking about?
Did you ever spend a thought that what made the Stones great was them being reluctant to any of these expectations?
Sorry, I don´t GET IT!!!
And I´m looking forward to Europe 22!
Agree on all counts .... just not sure what that had to do w/ quoting me.[/quote
Hello - I´m terribly sorry, cause I quoted the wrong thing!
Excuse me please!
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MrForeverMusicFan
Back in late 2002, The Rolling Stones were interviewed on CBS 60 Minutes With Ed Bradley.
The Stones: Time Is On Their Side
One comment from Keith Richards described the band as part international concern and part mom-and-pop store.
"If I was to consider it all on paper, I mean, it's an international concern. But at the same time when you really break it down, it's still a mom-and-pop store. You know, we've got no shareholders, no stock orders. And basically, when it comes down to it, it's Mick and me, you know? And we're still fighting about who's mom and who's pop."
Again Keith has repeatedly said that without Watts there is no Stones.
I don't get the contradicting statements.