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I think some people overlooked the link.

I believe this photo appeared on a thread here a while back. By clicking this link [www.google.com] can anyone identify the artwork in the frame in the photo below? Was this original artwork by Michael Cooper, or is it artwork by an artist that was used for the inside of the record sleeve for Their Satanic Majesties Request?



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I've seen this before, thanks. I should have been more specific. Can you identify the picture in this link? > [www.google.com]

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Can you identify the picture in this link? > [www.google.com]

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For comparison the Album's inner gatefold:


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Was this original artwork by Michael Cooper, or is it artwork by an artist that was used for the inside of the record sleeve for Their Satanic Majesties Request?

Maybe [www.YesPleaseProductions.com] knows some details about the original collage used for the inner gatefold since YPP made the Lyrics-Videos for TSMR's 50th which use elements of that collage.

Many sources say that the dense photo collage filling most of the inside cover (along with a maze) was designed by Michael Cooper.



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Thank you. I appreciate your response.

Yes, I've heard it might have been Michael Cooper, but I also heard the maze, anyway, was designed by Brian Jones. The problem with this album is that the information written about it doesn't seem to be very accurate. I was always led to believe it was a Japanese camera that was used to take the 3-D cover and it cost $25,000. I also heard that the albums which came with the 3-D cover were limited to only 5,000 copies. It seem like when I started researching it myself I was finding out different information. I recently spoke with two people who were familiar with the company Vari-Vue, which did the album cover, and they both told me it was NOT a Japanese-made camera. One guy told me the entire first run of albums was printed with that cover and NOT just 5000 copies, which makes sense because they are everywhere and not hard to find at all. There are probably 5000 of them on eBay. He also told me that he thinks $25,000 was the total production cost and not the cost of the camera. Again, that makes sense.

Thanks for responding. I love chatting with serious Stones fans.

Rob

It’s been said mano times that each hologram cost $1. I thank it’s say too much, if an album was sole at about $3, at the time. The Vari Vue is not made in Japan, but one of the very companies that had it was in Japan. Bye, Luca

It's possible there might have been a company in Japan that was doing 3-D/Lenticular images like Vari-Vue and that's where the confusion comes in. I can only go by what these two Vari-Vue historians told me. One man said the camera was a Vidoe Vision camera aka Anderson Camera, named after the founder of Vari-Vue, Vincent Anderson. I'm still researching this so I may find out more.

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It’s been said mano times that each hologram cost $1. Luca

Please. IT IS NOT A HOLOGRAM.

A Hologram is very specifically a laser related way of storing full 3D data. The Stones Satanic cover is NOT a Hologram.

Sigh.

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Thank you. I appreciate your response.

Yes, I've heard it might have been Michael Cooper, but I also heard the maze, anyway, was designed by Brian Jones. The problem with this album is that the information written about it doesn't seem to be very accurate. I was always led to believe it was a Japanese camera that was used to take the 3-D cover and it cost $25,000. I also heard that the albums which came with the 3-D cover were limited to only 5,000 copies. It seem like when I started researching it myself I was finding out different information. I recently spoke with two people who were familiar with the company Vari-Vue, which did the album cover, and they both told me it was NOT a Japanese-made camera. One guy told me the entire first run of albums was printed with that cover and NOT just 5000 copies, which makes sense because they are everywhere and not hard to find at all. There are probably 5000 of them on eBay. He also told me that he thinks $25,000 was the total production cost and not the cost of the camera. Again, that makes sense.

Thanks for responding. I love chatting with serious Stones fans.

Rob

The entire cover design is elaborate, with a dense photo collage filling most of the inside cover (along with a maze) designed by Michael Cooper, and a painting by Tony Meeuwissen on the back cover depicting the four elements (Earth, Water, Fire, and Air). In some editions the blue-and-white wisps on the front cover are used in a red-and-white version on the paper inner sleeve. The inner-cover collage has dozens of images, taken from reproductions of old master paintings (Ingres, Poussin, da Vinci, among others), Indian mandalas and portraits, astronomy (including a large image of the planet Saturn), flowers, world maps, etc. The maze on the inside cover of the UK and US releases cannot be completed: a wall at about a half radius in from the lower left corner means one can never arrive at the goal labeled "It's Here" in the centre of the maze. [faroutmagazine.co.uk]


- Bill stated in Stone Alone (pg 460) : Michael took the first 3D pictures of us dressed up, using a 3-D camera from Japan.

- In Roy Carr's "The RS - an illustrated record - he writes: "When the Stones unveiled TSMR - resplendant in it's $25,000 3-D Op Art sleeve...."

- I doubt there were only 5000 copies world wide - maybe if you said 500,000 (still have my original copy from 1967/8). Strangely, they do not mention anything about the inside cover but do state the back cover illustration by Tony Meeviwiffen.

As far as numbers go, there were definitely more than 5k pressed, I remember the 3D cover was being sold well into the 70s. I forget when exactly it was switched over to the 2D version, but it was interesting to see it for the first time where you could really pick out details like the Beatles in the flowers.

jb

This is excellent research on the Rolling Stones album cover artwork for Their Satanic as well as the other album covers. With the exception of a few things that I question, it is very good.

Does anyone know who the author Charles Yo is?

Rob

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Thank you. I appreciate your response.

Yes, I've heard it might have been Michael Cooper, but I also heard the maze, anyway, was designed by Brian Jones. The problem with this album is that the information written about it doesn't seem to be very accurate. I was always led to believe it was a Japanese camera that was used to take the 3-D cover and it cost $25,000. I also heard that the albums which came with the 3-D cover were limited to only 5,000 copies. It seem like when I started researching it myself I was finding out different information. I recently spoke with two people who were familiar with the company Vari-Vue, which did the album cover, and they both told me it was NOT a Japanese-made camera. One guy told me the entire first run of albums was printed with that cover and NOT just 5000 copies, which makes sense because they are everywhere and not hard to find at all. There are probably 5000 of them on eBay. He also told me that he thinks $25,000 was the total production cost and not the cost of the camera. Again, that makes sense.

Thanks for responding. I love chatting with serious Stones fans.

Rob

The entire cover design is elaborate, with a dense photo collage filling most of the inside cover (along with a maze) designed by Michael Cooper, and a painting by Tony Meeuwissen on the back cover depicting the four elements (Earth, Water, Fire, and Air). In some editions the blue-and-white wisps on the front cover are used in a red-and-white version on the paper inner sleeve. The inner-cover collage has dozens of images, taken from reproductions of old master paintings (Ingres, Poussin, da Vinci, among others), Indian mandalas and portraits, astronomy (including a large image of the planet Saturn), flowers, world maps, etc. The maze on the inside cover of the UK and US releases cannot be completed: a wall at about a half radius in from the lower left corner means one can never arrive at the goal labeled "It's Here" in the centre of the maze. [faroutmagazine.co.uk]


- Bill stated in Stone Alone (pg 460) : Michael took the first 3D pictures of us dressed up, using a 3-D camera from Japan.

- In Roy Carr's "The RS - an illustrated record - he writes: "When the Stones unveiled TSMR - resplendant in it's $25,000 3-D Op Art sleeve...."

- I doubt there were only 5000 copies world wide - maybe if you said 500,000 (still have my original copy from 1967/8). Strangely, they do not mention anything about the inside cover but do state the back cover illustration by Tony Meeviwiffen.

Probably more than 5000 of the reprint from 1981.

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Does anyone know who the author Charles Yo is?

"cyoe" - [iorr.org] .

Someone tell me again how the Sgt. Pepper album didn't cause rock and rollers to go off the deep end trying to create their own Pepperland albums. It was the dawning of the Age of Aquarius and everyone wanted to appear groovy. Not everyone was.

Please DO NOT use the subject line in order to promote a thread you have started. It is like SHOUTING, and if everyone do the same, IORR will be a mess. I might close or delete such a thread if it happens.

The subject line of this thread was changed today by the original poster into this, a long and shouting text:

PLEASE RE-READ Can Anyone Identify This Artwork From the Inner Sleeve of Their Satanic Majesties Request?

I changed the subject line into the following. Please do not change:

Their Satanic Majesties Request artwork

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Time for a super deluxe edition with some teeth.


jb

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yup...I would like that. I don't think you can even blame ABKCO though. It's M & K I think that are calling the shots on previously unreleased material from the 60s.

If you wanna make an omelet, you gotta break some eggs.


jb

Sorry, it was not meant to be shouting. I did that as a way of getting attention once I realized I didn't word it properly.

Rob

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yup...I would like that. I don't think you can even blame ABKCO though. It's M & K I think that are calling the shots on previously unreleased material from the 60s.

There were outtakes of songs for a bonus disc originally planned for the 50th-anniversary box set for Their Satanic, but the decision-makers at the record label decided to not include it in the box set.



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Thanks, Rockman, this is really helpful.

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Time for a super deluxe edition with some teeth.


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yup...I would like that. I don't think you can even blame ABKCO though. It's M & K I think that are calling the shots on previously unreleased material from the 60s.

There were outtakes of songs for a bonus disc originally planned for the 50th-anniversary box set for Their Satanic, but the decision-makers at the record label decided to not include it in the box set.

Well the 'decision-makers' were pretty tight fisted by the sounds of it, as they didn't do anything for Beggar's or LIB either!

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