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I think it's clear after two covid summers how strong the seasonality of the virus is. Last summer here in Europa we were really worried about the full stadiums and people gathering around the stadiums during the European football cup. Surprisingly it didn't have that much of an impact on the case numbers which were quite low at that time. The expected Delta wave didn't git until it got colder. That why I assume stadium concerts will be totally possible next summer.

Me too, see the low Covid-numbers in Summer 2020-21 - [iorr.org] . And as promised by BioNTech on 8-Dec-2021, they will deliver an updated vaccine against the Omicron-variant from March 2022.

I think there's little doubt that outdoor gigs will go ahead in the UK and Europe from May onwards. Roll on Summer. For all the reasons mentioned above.

I would think so considering it's been a few years since they've played there, and would hope so for the sake of the fans in the UK and Europe who were unable to travel to the US on the recent leg.
There's also the fact they've sort of over-saturated themselves here in the US/North America with consecutive legs of No Filter - most people I know here have seen enough of them - diehards and casual fans alike.
But if they do play in the US and trot out the same old show, I'd probably happily/hesitantly see them one more time for tradition sake, but based on the recent shows without Charlie one show would be enough.

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I think it's clear after two covid summers how strong the seasonality of the virus is. Last summer here in Europa we were really worried about the full stadiums and people gathering around the stadiums during the European football cup. Surprisingly it didn't have that much of an impact on the case numbers which were quite low at that time. The expected Delta wave didn't git until it got colder. That why I assume stadium concerts will be totally possible next summer.

Me too, see the low Covid-numbers in Summer 2020-21 - [iorr.org] . And as promised by BioNTech on 8-Dec-2021, they will deliver an updated vaccine against the Omicron-variant from March 2022.

I think there's little doubt that outdoor gigs will go ahead in the UK and Europe from May onwards. Roll on Summer. For all the reasons mentioned above.

I would think so considering it's been a few years since they've played there, and would hope so for the sake of the fans in the UK and Europe who were unable to travel to the US on the recent leg.
There's also the fact they've sort of over-saturated themselves here in the US/North America with consecutive legs of No Filter - most people I know here have seen enough of them - diehards and casual fans alike.
But if they do play in the US and trot out the same old show, I'd probably happily/hesitantly see them one more time for tradition sake, but based on the recent shows without Charlie one show would be enough.

I have high doubts they will ever do a string of Canadian shows, but the market here in Canada is extremely undersaturated for Stones shows. After the Vegas show I've had probably 40-50 messages from people in Van, Edmonton, Calgary, Ottawa, and Toronto saying they've never seen them or would love to see them again and that it's been years.

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I think it's clear after two covid summers how strong the seasonality of the virus is. Last summer here in Europa we were really worried about the full stadiums and people gathering around the stadiums during the European football cup. Surprisingly it didn't have that much of an impact on the case numbers which were quite low at that time. The expected Delta wave didn't git until it got colder. That why I assume stadium concerts will be totally possible next summer.

Me too, see the low Covid-numbers in Summer 2020-21 - [iorr.org] . And as promised by BioNTech on 8-Dec-2021, they will deliver an updated vaccine against the Omicron-variant from March 2022.

I think there's little doubt that outdoor gigs will go ahead in the UK and Europe from May onwards. Roll on Summer. For all the reasons mentioned above.

I would think so considering it's been a few years since they've played there, and would hope so for the sake of the fans in the UK and Europe who were unable to travel to the US on the recent leg.
There's also the fact they've sort of over-saturated themselves here in the US/North America with consecutive legs of No Filter - most people I know here have seen enough of them - diehards and casual fans alike.
But if they do play in the US and trot out the same old show, I'd probably happily/hesitantly see them one more time for tradition sake, but based on the recent shows without Charlie one show would be enough.

I have high doubts they will ever do a string of Canadian shows, but the market here in Canada is extremely undersaturated for Stones shows. After the Vegas show I've had probably 40-50 messages from people in Van, Edmonton, Calgary, Ottawa, and Toronto saying they've never seen them or would love to see them again and that it's been years.

I should have been more clear as I was referring specifically to the US which has had two consecutive No Filter mini-tours - 2019 and 2021.
I know quite a few people who didn't even bother to see them on the recent leg as they just saw them back in 2019 - including several who hadn't missed a tour since '81.
Hopefully the Stones will play Europe and the UK which has been rumoured for quite some time - the fans there deserve it. And then they can possibly do a few more shows in the US (and maybe Canada) some day.

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No doubt they have plans/hopes of playing the UK and elsewhere this summer, but two major players will be playing this spring in the southern US.

As they have no plans to be elsewhere in the spring, my money is still on a Jazz Fest appearance.

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Here’s an article from Pollstar talking about the prospects of touring in Europe in 2022:

'Hopeful, But...' Taking Stock Of Touring Europe
1:19 PM, Tuesday, 1/18/2022 By: Gideon Gottfried

There’s cautious optimism among Europe’s live professionals that spring 2022 will bring the gradual return of touring, topped off by a summer of festivals. Observant readers may recall that this kind of optimism was voiced at the start of both summer 2020 and summer 2021 as well, only to be shattered by COVID restrictions imposed by most European governments, which didn’t want to take any risks when allowing public gatherings. But according to industry execs Pollstar spoke with, there are reasons to be more optimistic this year.
One is the fact that the Omicron variant seems to have peaked in the UK, and is expected to do the same in mainland Europe soon, according to Herman Schueremans, founder of Rock Werchter in Belgium and head of Live Nation’s Belgian operations.

“Omicron in England is over its peak, which is good news,” he said, echoing findings by British scientists. “That means that in parts of Europe, such as Belgium, Holland and a couple of other countries, it will be over its peak by end of January, early February, and in other countries by the end of February.

“The bottom line is, and this is also what you hear from the virology specialists, Omicron will be over by mid-March. From then onwards it will be an illness like the flu. We’ll have to learn to live with it, but it will all be doable,” Schueremans continued. “Everybody, by now, accepts that there will be no [European] tours in the first quarter of 2022. But we all strongly believe that it will all start happening in April, if not April 1 then April 14, something like that. The one thing that’s for sure is that festivals in Europe will happen. That’s what you also hear when you speak with governments – they are all optimistic about it.”

Schueremans told Pollstar that only 3,000 Friday tickets remained for Graspop Metal Meeting, scheduled to take place in the Belgian city of Dessel, June 16-19. For Rock Werchter, planned to take place in Werchter, Belgium, June 30-July 3, 18,000 of 146,000 multi-day and single-day tickets were still available at press time.

“I expect it to sell out by mid-February, and I’m hearing the same kinds of stories, especially in England, but also in the rest of Europe,” said Schueremans, who concluded, “we are finally at the end of the tunnel.”

International tours will need time to prepare. Justin Bieber, one of the few American megastars to commit to upcoming European touring, has scheduled all European “Justice World Tour” dates for the first half of 2023. At press time, capacity and quarantine restrictions varied greatly between countries, making it nearly impossible to plan pan-European treks.

“Some countries like Germany have stricter restrictions than other countries, and

this makes it difficult to have a full perspective of Europe,” explained Christof Huber, chairman of the European festival association Yourope. “It is important for international touring artists that the full European market opens as soon as possible to gain confidence back. We are confident that from spring on, the situation will be different.”

The confidence of Yourope’s members stems from the fact that “2020 and 2021 showed that spring to autumn is different from the wintertime,” Huber said. “Vaccination rates and treatments have come a long way in the past two years, therefore we are confident that we will have a strong European festival summer.”

One U.S. artist planning to tour Europe as early as March is this week’s cover star, Japanese Breakfast (see page 16). The band’s European/UK agent, ATC Live’s William Church, confirmed the situation in Europe “differs from country to country and is continually changing” as the pandemic evolves.

“Shows are currently possible in England with no restrictions, but there is a full lockdown in the Netherlands at the moment,” he said. “This will inevitably cause disruption, especially with ticket sales or no shows. However, my hope is that – if Omicron peaks more quickly than previous variants – from March onwards touring can take place throughout Europe, albeit with mandatory testing and increased touring protocols for artists, crew, venue staff and audiences.”

The UK, or rather England, is currently the least restricted market in Europe. According to Mother Artists’ Natasha Gregory, focusing on domestic tours was “absolutely” an option.

“I think we were all hoping for a clearer first quarter of the year across countries, but that’s not the case,” she explained. “We don’t have many tours before March - but even March is up in the air. We are though, again, adaptable to plans, and will just have to work out options that work best for our artists.”

Regardless of the uncertainty, “it’s always worth planning,” Gregory continued. “We are all in a rhythm after the past two years that plans can and may likely change, but that doesn’t stop the importance in planning and close communication with your teams.”

Her brother, Mark Bent, who runs the management business of Mother Artists, said that while it’s always been important to focus on records, for lots of artists, “the best campaigns are when everything works together: releases and live. There is nothing like live shows to connect with fans.”

Bent remains hopeful that 2022 will bring that important aspect of artists’ careers back.

“Live music is important for everyone – not just the artists, teams and crews that this industry supports financially, but for people and communities,” he said. “We have to work out ways for shows to happen. And we are hopeful that after the first quarter there will be systems in place that allow for better live touring opportunities.”

When Jon Ollier, CEO of One Fiinix Live, launched his independent agency at the end of 2020, his team was well aware of the adverse circumstances.

“We priced in a lot of the ups and downs we are experiencing to our plans and so thus far what is happening isn’t really outside of what we were expecting,” he explained, which is why “at the moment we are in a great place. We are building in terms of clients and our team in all of the ways we set out to do.”

Focusing on domestic touring isn’t an option for Ollier, who noted, “For some time now, I have been saying I would expect there to be a wave in the winter months and even if it is just regular flu season causing us problems, we will see some restrictions.

“This opinion was not very popular with a lot of people, but I really do see the shift being less geographical and more seasonal – I think we will have interruptions to the economy like this during the winter months, possibly even for a further couple of years, but that we should be able to do good business for the other nine months of the year,” he continued. “It remains to be seen if this will be limited to Europe and the Americas in the short term; it could be that places like Asia, Australia and New Zealand will take a little longer to arrive at something similar.”

Ollier remains “hopeful” that 2022 will see a gradual reopening of markets.

“But I think, rather than the whole thing going away and things returning to 2019, it will be a case of recognizing areas in which we can predict and accept a reasonable level of risk and then really making that work for us without delaying or hesitating,” he said. “If the government has to hibernate the economy for parts of the year, the push now should be to have them really be aggressive with what we are able to do with the rest of the year. If we have to curb travel and social contact December to February/March, then we should almost without condition accept the risks as what they are and be fully open, come what may, April to November.”

Ollier added, “If we must lose part of the winter, we need to make damn sure we are making hay while the sun shines.”

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I woke up to rumours about Mexico, Argentina and Brazil 2023. Anybody who has more info?

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There is a topic on Rocks Off :

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I woke up to rumours about Mexico, Argentina and Brazil 2023. Anybody who has more info?

I would love to see them in Argentina!

So, southern and central America in 2023; Europe and the U.K. this year. Will they ever stop rolling?? What a band! Actually, shouldn't Australasia be next; or, at least, after Europe and the U.K.?

From an article on nola.com:

2022 New Orleans Jazz Fest lineup is out Thursday; who will, or won't, be on the list?

By Keith Spera
January 19, 2022

Rolling Stones?

The Rolling Stones were booked at Jazz Fest in 2019, only to cancel so Mick Jagger could have heart surgery. They were rebooked in 2020, though that wasn’t announced before the whole Jazz Fest was canceled because of COVID.

They were then a surprise addition to the fall 2021 Jazz Fest, slated for a stand-alone Wednesday show at the Fair Grounds as a part of a 13-date North American tour. That Jazz Fest, too, was canceled, but the rest of the Stones tour played on without founding drummer Charlie Watts, who died in August.

As their willingness to reschedule in both 2020 and 2021 makes clear, the Stones are keen to make good on their commitment to Jazz Fest. But whether or not they’d be available this spring is unclear. They’ve announced no tour plans for 2022.

However, given that they grossed a reported total of $115 million for the dozen gigs played in 2021, they’ve got plenty of incentive to get back on the road. Whether that will be in North America or Europe is unknown.

If – and that's a big "if" – it happens, it would be another huge Jazz Fest surprise.

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From an article on nola.com:

2022 New Orleans Jazz Fest lineup is out Thursday; who will, or won't, be on the list?

By Keith Spera
January 19, 2022

Rolling Stones?

The Rolling Stones were booked at Jazz Fest in 2019, only to cancel so Mick Jagger could have heart surgery. They were rebooked in 2020, though that wasn’t announced before the whole Jazz Fest was canceled because of COVID.

They were then a surprise addition to the fall 2021 Jazz Fest, slated for a stand-alone Wednesday show at the Fair Grounds as a part of a 13-date North American tour. That Jazz Fest, too, was canceled, but the rest of the Stones tour played on without founding drummer Charlie Watts, who died in August.

As their willingness to reschedule in both 2020 and 2021 makes clear, the Stones are keen to make good on their commitment to Jazz Fest. But whether or not they’d be available this spring is unclear. They’ve announced no tour plans for 2022.

However, given that they grossed a reported total of $115 million for the dozen gigs played in 2021, they’ve got plenty of incentive to get back on the road. Whether that will be in North America or Europe is unknown.

If – and that's a big "if" – it happens, it would be another huge Jazz Fest surprise.

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"If – and that's a big "if" – it happens, it would be another huge Jazz Fest surprise."

Not to me .. was early on this prediction after Denson scheduled a gig during the festival.

Granted, still a big "if".. but Chuck also has a gig a bit earlier in the south.
They both seem to be aware they won't be out of country during late spring at least.

Could even be a one-off situation, or a mini-tour warming up for the UK.
If not announced on Thursday, they could announce it after the fact as well as they did before.

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So, southern and central America in 2023; Europe and the U.K. this year. Will they ever stop rolling?? What a band! Actually, shouldn't Australasia be next; or, at least, after Europe and the U.K.?

Nobody is going to be touring Australia/NZ or Asia for a long time. They don’t even seem to have any interest in getting back to the point of allowing things like concerts to happen.

But yeah, South/Latin America could probably go in 2023 if they were so inclined.



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No doubt they have plans/hopes of playing the UK and elsewhere this summer, but two major players will be playing this spring in the southern US.

As they have no plans to be elsewhere in the spring, my money is still on a Jazz Fest appearance.

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I am going to this show in Macon. Please let me know if anyone else on IORR is attending.

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Checked the 2022 Jazz Fest lineup which is just announced today. The Who are headlining the first weekend and Stevie Nicks the second weekend. Sounds like there will be more performers added.

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So, southern and central America in 2023; Europe and the U.K. this year. Will they ever stop rolling?? What a band! Actually, shouldn't Australasia be next; or, at least, after Europe and the U.K.?

Nobody is going to be touring Australia/NZ or Asia for a long time. They don’t even seem to have any interest in getting back to the point of allowing things like concerts to happen.

But yeah, South/Latin America could probably go in 2023 if they were so inclined.

Oh, that’s a very valid point. I had forgotten about covid for a moment.

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A deep and tasty line-up, but no Stones. The last time they tried to schedule there, they created a heretofore unheard of extra Wednesday between the weekends of Jazzfest. They could always do something similar. Use it as a rehearsal for their Summertime aspirations.

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Checked the 2022 Jazz Fest lineup which is just announced today. The Who are headlining the first weekend and Stevie Nicks the second weekend. Sounds like there will be more performers added.

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No doubt they have plans/hopes of playing the UK and elsewhere this summer, but two major players will be playing this spring in the southern US.

As they have no plans to be elsewhere in the spring, my money is still on a Jazz Fest appearance.

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A Night of Georgia Music- Chuck Leavell
[www.anightofgeorgiamusic.com]

I am going to this show in Macon. Please let me know if anyone else on IORR is attending.

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I’m going!

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So, southern and central America in 2023; Europe and the U.K. this year. Will they ever stop rolling?? What a band! Actually, shouldn't Australasia be next; or, at least, after Europe and the U.K.?

Nobody is going to be touring Australia/NZ or Asia for a long time. They don’t even seem to have any interest in getting back to the point of allowing things like concerts to happen.

But yeah, South/Latin America could probably go in 2023 if they were so inclined.

Actually that is incorrect. Here in NZ we've just had quite a few summer concerts and music festivals. Granted who knows for how much longer as Omicron isn't going to be kept at the border forever. Your statement however is incorrect.

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So, southern and central America in 2023; Europe and the U.K. this year. Will they ever stop rolling?? What a band! Actually, shouldn't Australasia be next; or, at least, after Europe and the U.K.?

Nobody is going to be touring Australia/NZ or Asia for a long time. They don’t even seem to have any interest in getting back to the point of allowing things like concerts to happen.

But yeah, South/Latin America could probably go in 2023 if they were so inclined.

Actually that is incorrect. Here in NZ we've just had quite a few summer concerts and music festivals. Granted who knows for how much longer as Omicron isn't going to be kept at the border forever. Your statement however is incorrect.

What I meant was that International acts, like the Rolling Stones, will not be able to enter NZ and Australia, and play large concerts. Pretty much every tour that was scheduled to come there in 2021-22 has been postponed, and will continue to be postponed for quite some time. Rod Stewart just cancelled his tour there. KISS and Kings of Leon have tours lined up for NZ/Australia that will not happen. Other bands like Guns'n'Roses and The Killers have tours announced there for 2022, and I'd bet good money those don't happen either. By December, the Northern Hemisphere will be ramping up for the next winter surge, and NZ's borders will be closed at that time to keep the Covids out. Also, venue capacity restrictions, and difficulty traveling between different states/cities. Even getting from New Zealand to Australia and back will be difficult.

Seriously, though... who were the last major band to play a large scale concert in New Zealand? I'd be willing to bet it was in Feb 2020.



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Straight from the ambassador's mouth, no less

since when are such people trustworthy?

The official Stones Facebook and Twitter accounts posted "Cause troubles a comin' in more ways than one" yesterday, pretty out of the blue..

Could be the the start of a new teaser campaign for a new tour. I don't think it's party of the Tattoo You remastered promotion..

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since when are such people trustworthy?

Since when did they make statements about rock bands tours?

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The official Stones Facebook and Twitter accounts posted "Cause troubles a comin' in more ways than one" yesterday, pretty out of the blue..

Could be the the start of a new teaser campaign for a new tour. I don't think it's party of the Tattoo You remastered promotion..

It's the caption to the video of... Trouble's a Coming

Due the covid situation why they dont think to do a indoor tour? Like teather or Arena for the 60th ? Am i wrong?