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Rocktiludrop
Given that this was Charlies decision and that he discussed it with Mick and Keith, is anyone other than me willing to admit that this might be for the best, I've noticed Charlie has been struggling to keep pace for a few tours now, The Stones have been playing the songs too slow, it's like the Elephant in the room, it's ok to say Keith is past it or Mick's voice isn't so good but no one dare admit Charlie is not what he once was, I'd go so far as to say he's slightly over rated as a drummer these days, don't get me wrong this isn't personal , of course everyone loves Charlie and he is so loyal to the Stones and it will seem weird without him, but he's not dead, he has given his blessing and I'm sure he appreciates Steve helping the band out to fulfill these long awaited tour dates.
The point I'm making is that this is an exciting prospect when you get passed Charlie not touring this time round, this might bring some lost energy and pace that the Stones have been lacking since as far back as 2005' 06', this could actually 're-ignite' Keith, and let's be honest everything about the sound of the Stones is down to Keith and can this old Lion roar again.
I'm sorry if some find this attitude insensitive, but remember this post in a few months time and see if i was right.

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Rocktiludrop
Given that this was Charlies decision and that he discussed it with Mick and Keith, is anyone other than me willing to admit that this might be for the best, I've noticed Charlie has been struggling to keep pace for a few tours now, The Stones have been playing the songs too slow, it's like the Elephant in the room, it's ok to say Keith is past it or Mick's voice isn't so good but no one dare admit Charlie is not what he once was, I'd go so far as to say he's slightly over rated as a drummer these days, don't get me wrong this isn't personal , of course everyone loves Charlie and he is so loyal to the Stones and it will seem weird without him, but he's not dead, he has given his blessing and I'm sure he appreciates Steve helping the band out to fulfill these long awaited tour dates.
The point I'm making is that this is an exciting prospect when you get passed Charlie not touring this time round, this might bring some lost energy and pace that the Stones have been lacking since as far back as 2005' 06', this could actually 're-ignite' Keith, and let's be honest everything about the sound of the Stones is down to Keith and can this old Lion roar again.
I'm sorry if some find this attitude insensitive, but remember this post in a few months time and see if i was right.

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timbernardis
What are you guys saying, "They still think Time is on Their Side" and "I mean they act as if they have a good ten years left. Sadly they do not."


The band doesn't think that, you guys act as if they are pretending or arrogant. They know their time is short. How do you know how they think or act anyway?


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all this talk about no Charlie I believe will for nothing. After reading about the troubles Garth Brooks is having with his stadium tour and Covid I think this Stones tour gets cancelled. Too much risk with delta variant floating around.

Garth Brooks plays to the unvaccinated Fox crowd, that’s his audience. He should cancel.

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IanBillen
I would not want Charlie Watts back unless he is all well and given the all clear.


However .. Me thinks he might only miss 1/2 of the tour .. (<< all speculation ..
however there is kina/ sort of a little reading between the lines that might indicate that is a possibility).

Jus sayin.

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timbernardis
What are you guys saying, "They still think Time is on Their Side" and "I mean they act as if they have a good ten years left. Sadly they do not."


The band doesn't think that, you guys act as if they are pretending or arrogant. They know their time is short. How do you know how they think or act anyway?


plexi

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Was meaning from a recording stand point. Their perspective on the studio front. They keep talking about an album but no sign of that ...

They know their touring days are limited. Seems that is why they are squeezing touring in whenever they can. Their focus is on touring .. no putting out this
album (or albums over the last ten years).

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Hairball
A sad and peculiar chapter towards the end of their story...not the final chapter, but it's getting there.
The absence of Charlie will be always be talked about in regards to what is probably their final US tour.
Thankully he's recovering, and that's about the only positive to be grateful for in this story as far as I'm concerned.
Bottom line; Charlie had a major emergency operation, and the rest of the band will continue without him...sounds a bit cold hearted imo.

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timbernardis
What are you guys saying, "They still think Time is on Their Side" and "I mean they act as if they have a good ten years left. Sadly they do not."


The band doesn't think that, you guys act as if they are pretending or arrogant. They know their time is short. How do you know how they think or act anyway?


plexi

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Was meaning from a recording stand point. Their perspective on the studio front. They keep talking about an album but no sign of that ...

They know their touring days are limited. Seems that is why they are squeezing touring in whenever they can. Their focus is on touring .. no putting out this
album (or albums over the last ten years).

No sign? Latest reports about Charlie missing the US tour also mention that the album will be out next year "right in time for their 60th Anniversary celebrations".

I've been saying that for years... but you never believed me!

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Rocktiludrop
Given that this was Charlies decision and that he discussed it with Mick and Keith, is anyone other than me willing to admit that this might be for the best, I've noticed Charlie has been struggling to keep pace for a few tours now, The Stones have been playing the songs too slow, it's like the Elephant in the room, it's ok to say Keith is past it or Mick's voice isn't so good but no one dare admit Charlie is not what he once was, I'd go so far as to say he's slightly over rated as a drummer these days, don't get me wrong this isn't personal , of course everyone loves Charlie and he is so loyal to the Stones and it will seem weird without him, but he's not dead, he has given his blessing and I'm sure he appreciates Steve helping the band out to fulfill these long awaited tour dates.
The point I'm making is that this is an exciting prospect when you get passed Charlie not touring this time round, this might bring some lost energy and pace that the Stones have been lacking since as far back as 2005' 06', this could actually 're-ignite' Keith, and let's be honest everything about the sound of the Stones is down to Keith and can this old Lion roar again.
I'm sorry if some find this attitude insensitive, but remember this post in a few months time and see if i was right.

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IanBillen
I would not want Charlie Watts back unless he is all well and given the all clear.


However .. Me thinks he might only miss 1/2 of the tour .. (<< all speculation ..
however there is kina/ sort of a little reading between the lines that might indicate that is a possibility).

Jus sayin.

Rejoining without any rehearsals after more than two years stage absence? Totally unrealistic imo.

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IanBillen
I would not want Charlie Watts back unless he is all well and given the all clear.


However .. Me thinks he might only miss 1/2 of the tour .. (<< all speculation ..
however there is kina/ sort of a little reading between the lines that might indicate that is a possibility).

Jus sayin.

Rejoining without any rehearsals after more than two years stage absence? Totally unrealistic imo.

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Like a fool I was thinking the rehearsals for him would be pushed back a month or more. I FORGOT .. the rest of the band would have to be there too with him for that. Lol My bad. I was just thinking he will rehearse a month or so later and possibly join up mid way .. (I overlooked he has to rehearse with the band themselves ..not just anyone).

However still ... RollingStone magazine stated both scenarios .. It read that he will miss 'part' of the upcoming tour (as well as 'the tour')? .. Which is why I thought perhaps he will rejoin late after starting a month or six weeks behind with a few weeks of rehearsel under his belt.

If he recovered .. and was physically able and all clear to start drumming again ... with three good weeks of rehearsel I am sure he could pull it off .. But the rest of the band would need be there rehearsing with him .. (which would be impossible.. you are right. I forgot about that).

Still wonder why it is saying he will join the band on stage later in the year and why Rollingstone magazine says he wil miss 'part' of the upcoming tour under his picture.

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Keith slaughtered the entire intro of Gimme Shelter in New Orleans. As I recall all but one of the musicians went off the understanding of the beat of... Charlie... because of Ronnie.

It was the only screwup of the night that I can recall.

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In looking at the photo of Charlie and wife Shirley...taken in May 2020...that's posted in the 'Charlie Adopts Greyhound' thread, that's the most frail I've seen him in recent years. Granted, it may not be the most flattering shot, but I can't help but feel concern for his current health status and how serious this mystery ailment might be.

With no definitive insight...heart-related, cancer issue, etc...it's unfair to speculate, but we've gotten to the point where, at best, an abbreviated 'tour' may be the only thing in the offing, IF Charlie recovers and is capable of returning to his perch.

Press releases are always going to paint an optimistic picture; look no further than Dusty Hill's situation. It was stated that he was going to leave the tour for a bit for some rehabilitative hip therapy and then rejoin Billy and Frank. Unfortunately, he never returned. Totally unexpected, for sure, but you can never tell which direction medically-related issues may turn.

Hopefully, Charlie makes a full recovery. I want to see him back behind the drum kit as much as, if not more, than anyone. However, keep this in mind: it's not beyond the realm of possibility that, a couple of months from now, Charlie assesses his situation and decides he's done with touring, regardless of what the rest of the band chooses to do.

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MingSubu
How important are rehearsals? I know they have their rehearsals before every tour, but it's basically the same songs for the past x amount of years. You don't think he could just drop in? Sure some warming up, but I think he'd be able to do it.

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MingSubu
How important are rehearsals? I know they have their rehearsals before every tour, but it's basically the same songs for the past x amount of years. You don't think he could just drop in? Sure some warming up, but I think he'd be able to do it.

Charlie COULD do it but he won't. They have a week off in the middle of the tour so theoretically they could do a few rehearsals with him and finish the rest of the shows but if he's committed to resting and recuperating after his surgery, that is what he is gonna do. It's only 14 shows. If his health allows he will be back on stage next year.

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How important are rehearsals? I know they have their rehearsals before every tour, but it's basically the same songs for the past x amount of years. You don't think he could just drop in? Sure some warming up, but I think he'd be able to do it.

Charlie COULD do it but he won't. They have a week off in the middle of the tour so theoretically they could do a few rehearsals with him and finish the rest of the shows but if he's committed to resting and recuperating after his surgery, that is what he is gonna do. It's only 14 shows. If his health allows he will be back on stage next year.

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Charlie COULD do it but he won't. They have a week off in the middle of the tour so theoretically they could do a few rehearsals with him and finish the rest of the shows but if he's committed to resting and recuperating after his surgery, that is what he is gonna do.