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Why do people assume the Stones were contractually obligated to continue this tour without Charlie? Do you really think they would have a contract obliging them to play even if one of their principle members was not able to join for whatever reason? They are doing this tour because they choose to.

Because there was a 2014 contract that leaked, saying exactly that.

But that's the point about choice, isn't it? They weren't forced to sign a contract at gunpoint (I assume!). It makes a bit of a mockery of all the good ol' Keith yarns about it being over when one of the original three is no longer part of the line-up.

If indeed if this is true, then it was undoubtedly a group decision. Certainly a large cost savings compared with insuring the “tour readiness” of four (upper 70’s) band members as compared with two. As a group decision, Charlie, and possibly his legal advisor, would have been one of the four decision makers. Interesting, if the band is only insuring two band members, then the band is aware the importance on which the average ticket buyer would place on each member.

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Rocktiludrop
We've always known deep down Mick and Keith will tour and replace Charlie or Ronnie, I think people are naive when they think it's terrible if they continue without Charlie or Ronnie, I don't follow that reaction, so many bands replaced members, why should Mick and Keith be any different.
Remember touring is life blood to the Stones, it keeps them alive, they need it, always have.
Charlie is upbeat about it, so why can't fans be the same, we get a revitalised Keith with his old mate Steve Jordan, I think the Stones will sound better if anything, Charlie is 80 , that's a little too old to blast out Rock, I'm sorry to hear about Charlie and hope he recovers in time for the 60th Anniversary Tour next year, but the Stones don't have time on their side and I'm happy to see they still have heart and ambition so late in the game, good luck to them and the show really must go on.

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I'm honestly quite gobsmacked by the willingness of so many to take this in stride and just say "well, Steve Jordan will do a fine job". (And I say this even though I have tons of respect for Steve Jordan - he is brilliant).

I have to ask - would you be so willing to just roll with the punches if it were Mick or Keith that was MIA?

Drew

I'd see any of the tree without the other two, but maybe not as the Stones.

I think you hit the nail on the head. This is not the Stones. Call it by something other than the Stones and I'm fine with it, and would probably buy tickets. But, without Charlie, calling it the Rolling Stones is ridiculous.

Drew

At some point it became a franchise more than a band.

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We've always known deep down Mick and Keith will tour and replace Charlie or Ronnie, I think people are naive when they think it's terrible if they continue without Charlie or Ronnie, I don't follow that reaction, so many bands replaced members, why should Mick and Keith be any different.
Remember touring is life blood to the Stones, it keeps them alive, they need it, always have.
Charlie is upbeat about it, so why can't fans be the same, we get a revitalised Keith with his old mate Steve Jordan, I think the Stones will sound better if anything, Charlie is 80 , that's a little too old to blast out Rock, I'm sorry to hear about Charlie and hope he recovers in time for the 60th Anniversary Tour next year, but the Stones don't have time on their side and I'm happy to see they still have heart and ambition so late in the game, good luck to them and the show really must go on.

Don't just phone it in man

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all this talk about no Charlie I believe will for nothing. After reading about the troubles Garth Brooks is having with his stadium tour and Covid I think this Stones tour gets cancelled. Too much risk with delta variant floating around.

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all this talk about no Charlie I believe will for nothing. After reading about the troubles Garth Brooks is having with his stadium tour and Covid I think this Stones tour gets cancelled. Too much risk with delta variant floating around.

What trouble is Garth having? His shows sell out in an hour. He is making this call on his own.

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TooTough
I always thought that we don´t have to explain the importance
of Charlie as a drummer and for Stones´ sound on a Stones site.
Some are getting over these bad news very fast.

People who don´t have a problem with replacing Charlie
wouldn´t have a problem replacing Ronnie with...Waddy Wachtel?
Or Jimmy Rip?

This is not Dylan´s never ending tour with Matt Chamberlain
replacing George Recile on drums.

I think that we see the very last Stones chapter now. There´s
only a few pages left.

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The band with two hired musicians might sound like the Stones, but they aren't the Stones.
For me, unless Charlie will really recover and again join the others, the book is closed once and forever.
Sorry.

I´m nearly thinking the same. It´s my "visiting a Stones concert-book".
As I said before: I wouldn´t go in ´21 (even if I had tickets) and
wouldn´t go in ´22 - if Charlie isn´t playing the drums.

The reason to tour without him is contractual bla bla? Fvck the contracts.
Pay the promoter! 100 million? No problem. Get out of that thing,
get the @#$%& album ready, let Ronnie and Charlie recover and in 2022
bow out gracefully with 10 phenomenal shows.
But instead the first tour news
is playing the same tent in a stadium shit for a billionaires family. Disgusting.
(I didn´t even like these events when Charlie used to be the drummer).

Keith said in the 80s: "To me CW IS the Rolling Stones". How dare you
to sign such a piece of paper then? Keith, no problem. I can´t wait for
the first interviews: "How was it with the new drummer?" "I know Steve for
so long blah good timing blah Whinos blah until Charlie comes back blah
har har".

But the most upsetting thing is, that 80% of the posts here were/are like:
"Get well, Charlie - but Steve Jordan might add some new bla bla, that
might be interesting". Not posted 2 weeks after the news - the same day and
the day after! Shameful. It really fells like treason to that honorable and
humble man who´s on all the records we have and played the drums at every
gig we have been to. Remember?. Even thinking about what it could sound
like without him is really disrespectful. This is not a normal IORR
discussion about "MT or RW" or "the drumsound on Undercover" or "the impact
of Nicky Hopkins" - it´s about "replacing Charlie Watts", an essential
part of the sound of the greatest band in the world. How could one even
think that it is somehow possible to replace him? And to read this on IORR
from some so called die-hards or purists is really a shame. Only about
10 people here seem to think the same way as me: No Charlie, no Stones.

All those who can replace Charlie could EASILY replace Ronnie, too.
I hope he will be fine and reach the 100, but what if he gets sick again?
No problem. Why hesitating to replace him?

Forever Rolling Stones...I want it to be like that...but I have to grow up.
It can´t go on forever and now is the time to realize that fact. Those
who don´t care if someone else is drumming want it to go on forever until
only Mick is left performing. I´m sorry for them.

Something isn´t the same anymore if Charlie is not there. I couldn´t stand
seeing the Stones without him. If he´s back next year...fine, I will be there.

Coincidence: The news came on August 5th, 2021. My last show was on August 5th,
2019 at Metlife Stadium. My last ever photo taken there:
Mick, Ronnie and Keith are waiting for Charlie. So sad to see now.

A bow without him? I don´t want to witness that. Never ever.

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The band with two hired musicians might sound like the Stones, but they aren't the Stones.
For me, unless Charlie will really recover and again join the others, the book is closed once and forever.
Sorry.

I´m nearly thinking the same. It´s my "visiting a Stones concert-book".
As I said before: I wouldn´t go in ´21 (even if I had tickets) and
wouldn´t go in ´22 - if Charlie isn´t playing the drums.

The reason to tour without him is contractual bla bla? Fvck the contracts.
Pay the promoter! 100 million? No problem. Get out of that thing,
get the @#$%& album ready, let Ronnie and Charlie recover and in 2022
bow out gracefully with 10 phenomenal shows.
But instead the first tour news
is playing the same tent in a stadium shit for a billionaires family. Disgusting.
(I didn´t even like these events when Charlie used to be the drummer).

Keith said in the 80s: "To me CW IS the Rolling Stones". How dare you
to sign such a piece of paper then? Keith, no problem. I can´t wait for
the first interviews: "How was it with the new drummer?" "I know Steve for
so long blah good timing blah Whinos blah until Charlie comes back blah
har har".

But the most upsetting thing is, that 80% of the posts here were/are like:
"Get well, Charlie - but Steve Jordan might add some new bla bla, that
might be interesting". Not posted 2 weeks after the news - the same day and
the day after! Shameful. It really fells like treason to that honorable and
humble man who´s on all the records we have and played the drums at every
gig we have been to. Remember?. Even thinking about what it could sound
like without him is really disrespectful. This is not a normal IORR
discussion about "MT or RW" or "the drumsound on Undercover" or "the impact
of Nicky Hopkins" - it´s about "replacing Charlie Watts", an essential
part of the sound of the greatest band in the world. How could one even
think that it is somehow possible to replace him? And to read this on IORR
from some so called die-hards or purists is really a shame. Only about
10 people here seem to think the same way as me: No Charlie, no Stones.

All those who can replace Charlie could EASILY replace Ronnie, too.
I hope he will be fine and reach the 100, but what if he gets sick again?
No problem. Why hesitating to replace him?

Forever Rolling Stones...I want it to be like that...but I have to grow up.
It can´t go on forever and now is the time to realize that fact. Those
who don´t care if someone else is drumming want it to go on forever until
only Mick is left performing. I´m sorry for them.

Something isn´t the same anymore if Charlie is not there. I couldn´t stand
seeing the Stones without him. If he´s back next year...fine, I will be there.

Coincidence: The news came on August 5th, 2021. My last show was on August 5th,
2019 at Metlife Stadium. My last ever photo taken there:
Mick, Ronnie and Keith are waiting for Charlie. So sad to see now.

A bow without him? I don´t want to witness that. Never ever.

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Did you perform the same or a similar drama when Bill left? Imo as essential to the Stones sound as Charlie.

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Did you perform the same or a similar drama when Bill left? Imo as essential to the Stones sound as Charlie.

I know, to say this is a heresy among the fans — I didn’t bother that much when Bill left. I remember the times he more often than not dropped a hint, “I’m going to quit the Stones anytime possible,” that sort of whining, an ultimatum that didn’t seem to be put into effect for the time being, which irritated me. I thought to myself, fire him and bring in someone who plays decent bass. Eventually he left the group, but I still don’t miss him as much as many people here do. Darryl is okay for me.

I told you I’m not a diehard...

Oops, I should have posted this to “What’s your stones confession?” thread instead

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Did you perform the same or a similar drama when Bill left? Imo as essential to the Stones sound as Charlie.

I know, to say this is a heresy among the fans — I didn’t bother that much when Bill left. I remember the times he more often than not dropped a hint, “I’m going to quit the Stones anytime possible,” that sort of whining, an ultimatum that didn’t seem to be put into effect for the time being, which irritated me. I thought to myself, fire him and bring in someone who plays decent bass. Eventually he left the group, but I still don’t miss him as much as many people here do. Darryl is okay for me.

I told you I’m not a diehard...

Oops, I should have posted this to “What’s your stones confession?” thread instead

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No pun intended, but if Darryl is ok for you, maybe Steve Jordan will be too after the initial shock is gone?

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The band with two hired musicians might sound like the Stones, but they aren't the Stones.
For me, unless Charlie will really recover and again join the others, the book is closed once and forever.
Sorry.

I´m nearly thinking the same. It´s my "visiting a Stones concert-book".
As I said before: I wouldn´t go in ´21 (even if I had tickets) and
wouldn´t go in ´22 - if Charlie isn´t playing the drums.

The reason to tour without him is contractual bla bla? Fvck the contracts.
Pay the promoter! 100 million? No problem. Get out of that thing,
get the @#$%& album ready, let Ronnie and Charlie recover and in 2022
bow out gracefully with 10 phenomenal shows.
But instead the first tour news
is playing the same tent in a stadium shit for a billionaires family. Disgusting.
(I didn´t even like these events when Charlie used to be the drummer).

Keith said in the 80s: "To me CW IS the Rolling Stones". How dare you
to sign such a piece of paper then? Keith, no problem. I can´t wait for
the first interviews: "How was it with the new drummer?" "I know Steve for
so long blah good timing blah Whinos blah until Charlie comes back blah
har har".

But the most upsetting thing is, that 80% of the posts here were/are like:
"Get well, Charlie - but Steve Jordan might add some new bla bla, that
might be interesting". Not posted 2 weeks after the news - the same day and
the day after! Shameful. It really fells like treason to that honorable and
humble man who´s on all the records we have and played the drums at every
gig we have been to. Remember?. Even thinking about what it could sound
like without him is really disrespectful. This is not a normal IORR
discussion about "MT or RW" or "the drumsound on Undercover" or "the impact
of Nicky Hopkins" - it´s about "replacing Charlie Watts", an essential
part of the sound of the greatest band in the world. How could one even
think that it is somehow possible to replace him? And to read this on IORR
from some so called die-hards or purists is really a shame. Only about
10 people here seem to think the same way as me: No Charlie, no Stones.

All those who can replace Charlie could EASILY replace Ronnie, too.
I hope he will be fine and reach the 100, but what if he gets sick again?
No problem. Why hesitating to replace him?

Forever Rolling Stones...I want it to be like that...but I have to grow up.
It can´t go on forever and now is the time to realize that fact. Those
who don´t care if someone else is drumming want it to go on forever until
only Mick is left performing. I´m sorry for them.

Something isn´t the same anymore if Charlie is not there. I couldn´t stand
seeing the Stones without him. If he´s back next year...fine, I will be there.

Coincidence: The news came on August 5th, 2021. My last show was on August 5th,
2019 at Metlife Stadium. My last ever photo taken there:
Mick, Ronnie and Keith are waiting for Charlie. So sad to see now.

A bow without him? I don´t want to witness that. Never ever.

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The band with two hired musicians might sound like the Stones, but they aren't the Stones.
For me, unless Charlie will really recover and again join the others, the book is closed once and forever.
Sorry.

I´m nearly thinking the same. It´s my "visiting a Stones concert-book".
As I said before: I wouldn´t go in ´21 (even if I had tickets) and
wouldn´t go in ´22 - if Charlie isn´t playing the drums.

The reason to tour without him is contractual bla bla? Fvck the contracts.
Pay the promoter! 100 million? No problem. Get out of that thing,
get the @#$%& album ready, let Ronnie and Charlie recover and in 2022
bow out gracefully with 10 phenomenal shows.
But instead the first tour news
is playing the same tent in a stadium shit for a billionaires family. Disgusting.
(I didn´t even like these events when Charlie used to be the drummer).

Keith said in the 80s: "To me CW IS the Rolling Stones". How dare you
to sign such a piece of paper then? Keith, no problem. I can´t wait for
the first interviews: "How was it with the new drummer?" "I know Steve for
so long blah good timing blah Whinos blah until Charlie comes back blah
har har".

But the most upsetting thing is, that 80% of the posts here were/are like:
"Get well, Charlie - but Steve Jordan might add some new bla bla, that
might be interesting". Not posted 2 weeks after the news - the same day and
the day after! Shameful. It really fells like treason to that honorable and
humble man who´s on all the records we have and played the drums at every
gig we have been to. Remember?. Even thinking about what it could sound
like without him is really disrespectful. This is not a normal IORR
discussion about "MT or RW" or "the drumsound on Undercover" or "the impact
of Nicky Hopkins" - it´s about "replacing Charlie Watts", an essential
part of the sound of the greatest band in the world. How could one even
think that it is somehow possible to replace him? And to read this on IORR
from some so called die-hards or purists is really a shame. Only about
10 people here seem to think the same way as me: No Charlie, no Stones.

All those who can replace Charlie could EASILY replace Ronnie, too.
I hope he will be fine and reach the 100, but what if he gets sick again?
No problem. Why hesitating to replace him?

Forever Rolling Stones...I want it to be like that...but I have to grow up.
It can´t go on forever and now is the time to realize that fact. Those
who don´t care if someone else is drumming want it to go on forever until
only Mick is left performing. I´m sorry for them.

Something isn´t the same anymore if Charlie is not there. I couldn´t stand
seeing the Stones without him. If he´s back next year...fine, I will be there.

Coincidence: The news came on August 5th, 2021. My last show was on August 5th,
2019 at Metlife Stadium. My last ever photo taken there:
Mick, Ronnie and Keith are waiting for Charlie. So sad to see now.

A bow without him? I don´t want to witness that. Never ever.

I appreciate this.

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The band with two hired musicians might sound like the Stones, but they aren't the Stones.
For me, unless Charlie will really recover and again join the others, the book is closed once and forever.
Sorry.

I´m nearly thinking the same. It´s my "visiting a Stones concert-book".
As I said before: I wouldn´t go in ´21 (even if I had tickets) and
wouldn´t go in ´22 - if Charlie isn´t playing the drums.

The reason to tour without him is contractual bla bla? Fvck the contracts.
Pay the promoter! 100 million? No problem. Get out of that thing,
get the @#$%& album ready, let Ronnie and Charlie recover and in 2022
bow out gracefully with 10 phenomenal shows.
But instead the first tour news
is playing the same tent in a stadium shit for a billionaires family. Disgusting.
(I didn´t even like these events when Charlie used to be the drummer).

Keith said in the 80s: "To me CW IS the Rolling Stones". How dare you
to sign such a piece of paper then? Keith, no problem. I can´t wait for
the first interviews: "How was it with the new drummer?" "I know Steve for
so long blah good timing blah Whinos blah until Charlie comes back blah
har har".

But the most upsetting thing is, that 80% of the posts here were/are like:
"Get well, Charlie - but Steve Jordan might add some new bla bla, that
might be interesting". Not posted 2 weeks after the news - the same day and
the day after! Shameful. It really fells like treason to that honorable and
humble man who´s on all the records we have and played the drums at every
gig we have been to. Remember?. Even thinking about what it could sound
like without him is really disrespectful. This is not a normal IORR
discussion about "MT or RW" or "the drumsound on Undercover" or "the impact
of Nicky Hopkins" - it´s about "replacing Charlie Watts", an essential
part of the sound of the greatest band in the world. How could one even
think that it is somehow possible to replace him? And to read this on IORR
from some so called die-hards or purists is really a shame. Only about
10 people here seem to think the same way as me: No Charlie, no Stones.

All those who can replace Charlie could EASILY replace Ronnie, too.
I hope he will be fine and reach the 100, but what if he gets sick again?
No problem. Why hesitating to replace him?

Forever Rolling Stones...I want it to be like that...but I have to grow up.
It can´t go on forever and now is the time to realize that fact. Those
who don´t care if someone else is drumming want it to go on forever until
only Mick is left performing. I´m sorry for them.

Something isn´t the same anymore if Charlie is not there. I couldn´t stand
seeing the Stones without him. If he´s back next year...fine, I will be there.

Coincidence: The news came on August 5th, 2021. My last show was on August 5th,
2019 at Metlife Stadium. My last ever photo taken there:
Mick, Ronnie and Keith are waiting for Charlie. So sad to see now.

A bow without him? I don´t want to witness that. Never ever.

I appreciate this.

Feel the same way. I found it...I have to say it, a bit disgusting you had people getting excited on the DAY THEY ANNOUNCED IT, that Jordan might be interesting and change it up a bit. Maybe they'll even change the setlist?!

Sure they could go on without him, but why would they...as the Rolling Stones? The money that brand brings I guess.

The thing that I also thought was brutal, was that "Charlie named his replacement! He wants the show to go on! Charlie good with it, so should we!".

Charlie is a gentleman and probably wouldn't think of impinging on everyone else.

It's too bad if they go out this way.

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I think, Steve replaces Charlie for once is just OK. IMHO.

And Steve's drumming doesn't seem to be that far off.

One of the main characteristics of Charlie>'s drumming is his raised right hand, missing the 4th hit on the hi-hat while his left hand hits the snare.

But Steve seems to have copied that: