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Taylor plays the tremolo picked guitar pattern, focusing on the high notes, He played the same chording and tremelo picking on Altamont and the 1970's versions, and sometimes live in 1972 as well (Philly for example). His guitar was fully erased in early 1970, and Keith overdubbed all electric guitars, which are like 5 or 6 tracks in total. I think the main reason is that Taylor's part is really 'on' the 1, whereas Keith is playing with the timing very much to give it this push and pull and RnR feel.

I doubt Taylor used a Strat at Muscle Shoals. I don't know if he actually had one in 1969, but he favored a Tele in 1969/1970 for studio work (Jiving Sister Fanny, Hillside Blues, Stop Breaking Down, I Don't Know Why etc), and there are pics of him with a Tele at Muscle Shoals.

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It could have been the studio’s Strat. I wasn’t aware of pics with a Tele. What did he use on Gotta Move?

So was that just a working mix? What does Taylor play on the Gimme Shelter version? And is the Gimme Shelter version the one that was released by accident?

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Taylor plays the tremolo picked guitar pattern, focusing on the high notes, He played the same chording and tremelo picking on Altamont and the 1970's versions, and sometimes live in 1972 as well (Philly for example). His guitar was fully erased in early 1970, and Keith overdubbed all electric guitars, which are like 5 or 6 tracks in total. I think the main reason is that Taylor's part is really 'on' the 1, whereas Keith is playing with the timing very much to give it this push and pull and RnR feel.

I doubt Taylor used a Strat at Muscle Shoals. I don't know if he actually had one in 1969, but he favored a Tele in 1969/1970 for studio work (Jiving Sister Fanny, Hillside Blues, Stop Breaking Down, I Don't Know Why etc), and there are pics of him with a Tele at Muscle Shoals.

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It could have been the studio’s Strat. I wasn’t aware of pics with a Tele. What did he use on Gotta Move?

So was that just a working mix? What does Taylor play on the Gimme Shelter version? And is the Gimme Shelter version the one that was released by accident?

For the slide part of You Gotta Move I used a Fender Telecaster... (Keith played) a National guitar.
- Mick Taylor, 1979

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Arpeggio version:

But listen to the lick at around 3:12 on the right channel. That sounds like a Taylor lick to me. It’s almost like he’s trying to sound like Richards. This is before the overdubbed solo comes in.

At 3:00 it sounds like Richards in the right channel. Weird

*I should say I muted the left channel to hear it clearly.

I assume you're talking about the studio version? I don't hear Mick Taylor on it. All the fills and rhythm guitar(s) have a certain stiff approach. Taylor was a much more fluid, harmonical and melodic player; in a way that Keith never could deliver. That's not around on the studio track at all . For some reason they didn't give Taylor room in the studio, although he played splendid on brown sugar live versions even before the official track was released. So if you want to enjoy Taylor better listen to the (BS) live versions when he still was a member of the band. At least I like the live versions with Taylor better than the -to my ears- rather one dimensional pre - arranged studio track.

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Arpeggio version:

But listen to the lick at around 3:12 on the right channel. That sounds like a Taylor lick to me. It’s almost like he’s trying to sound like Richards. This is before the overdubbed solo comes in.

At 3:00 it sounds like Richards in the right channel. Weird

*I should say I muted the left channel to hear it clearly.

I assume you're talking about the studio version? I don't hear Mick Taylor on it. All the fills and rhythm guitar(s) have a certain stiff approach. Taylor was a much more fluid, harmonical and melodic player; in a way that Keith never could deliver. That's not around on the studio track at all . For some reason they didn't give Taylor room in the studio, although he played splendid on brown sugar live versions even before the official track was released. So if you want to enjoy Taylor better listen to the (BS) live versions when he still was a member of the band. At least I like the live versions with Taylor better than the -to my ears- rather one dimensional pre - arranged studio track.

I dont know what the Arpeggio version is also. First of all if he is referring to the lick before the chorus that is not an arpeggio. I noticed people here throwout terms not knowing what they mean.

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Arpeggio version:

But listen to the lick at around 3:12 on the right channel. That sounds like a Taylor lick to me. It’s almost like he’s trying to sound like Richards. This is before the overdubbed solo comes in.

At 3:00 it sounds like Richards in the right channel. Weird

*I should say I muted the left channel to hear it clearly.

I assume you're talking about the studio version? I don't hear Mick Taylor on it. All the fills and rhythm guitar(s) have a certain stiff approach. Taylor was a much more fluid, harmonical and melodic player; in a way that Keith never could deliver. That's not around on the studio track at all . For some reason they didn't give Taylor room in the studio, although he played splendid on brown sugar live versions even before the official track was released. So if you want to enjoy Taylor better listen to the (BS) live versions when he still was a member of the band. At least I like the live versions with Taylor better than the -to my ears- rather one dimensional pre - arranged studio track.

I dont know what the Arpeggio version is also. First of all if he is referring to the lick before the chorus that is not an arpeggio. I noticed people here throwout terms not knowing what they mean.

LOL

Why don’t you try looking at the video I posted and listening. Might help you a bit connecting appropriate terminology.

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I don’t know what he means by arpeggio version either. I don’t see any video he posted.

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Arpeggio version:

But listen to the lick at around 3:12 on the right channel. That sounds like a Taylor lick to me. It’s almost like he’s trying to sound like Richards. This is before the overdubbed solo comes in.

At 3:00 it sounds like Richards in the right channel. Weird

*I should say I muted the left channel to hear it clearly.

I assume you're talking about the studio version? I don't hear Mick Taylor on it. All the fills and rhythm guitar(s) have a certain stiff approach. Taylor was a much more fluid, harmonical and melodic player; in a way that Keith never could deliver. That's not around on the studio track at all . For some reason they didn't give Taylor room in the studio, although he played splendid on brown sugar live versions even before the official track was released. So if you want to enjoy Taylor better listen to the (BS) live versions when he still was a member of the band. At least I like the live versions with Taylor better than the -to my ears- rather one dimensional pre - arranged studio track.

I dont know what the Arpeggio version is also. First of all if he is referring to the lick before the chorus that is not an arpeggio. I noticed people here throwout terms not knowing what they mean.

LOL

Why don’t you try looking at the video I posted and listening. Might help you a bit connecting appropriate terminology.

Lol you never did Bozo. Even the Flyingdutchman doesn’t know what you’re talking about

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I don’t know what he means by arpeggio version either. I don’t see any video he posted.

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Arpeggio version:

But listen to the lick at around 3:12 on the right channel. That sounds like a Taylor lick to me. It’s almost like he’s trying to sound like Richards. This is before the overdubbed solo comes in.

At 3:00 it sounds like Richards in the right channel. Weird

*I should say I muted the left channel to hear it clearly.

I assume you're talking about the studio version? I don't hear Mick Taylor on it. All the fills and rhythm guitar(s) have a certain stiff approach. Taylor was a much more fluid, harmonical and melodic player; in a way that Keith never could deliver. That's not around on the studio track at all . For some reason they didn't give Taylor room in the studio, although he played splendid on brown sugar live versions even before the official track was released. So if you want to enjoy Taylor better listen to the (BS) live versions when he still was a member of the band. At least I like the live versions with Taylor better than the -to my ears- rather one dimensional pre - arranged studio track.

I dont know what the Arpeggio version is also. First of all if he is referring to the lick before the chorus that is not an arpeggio. I noticed people here throwout terms not knowing what they mean.

LOL

Why don’t you try looking at the video I posted and listening. Might help you a bit connecting appropriate terminology.

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Arpeggio version:

But listen to the lick at around 3:12 on the right channel. That sounds like a Taylor lick to me. It’s almost like he’s trying to sound like Richards. This is before the overdubbed solo comes in.

At 3:00 it sounds like Richards in the right channel. Weird

*I should say I muted the left channel to hear it clearly.

I assume you're talking about the studio version? I don't hear Mick Taylor on it. All the fills and rhythm guitar(s) have a certain stiff approach. Taylor was a much more fluid, harmonical and melodic player; in a way that Keith never could deliver. That's not around on the studio track at all . For some reason they didn't give Taylor room in the studio, although he played splendid on brown sugar live versions even before the official track was released. So if you want to enjoy Taylor better listen to the (BS) live versions when he still was a member of the band. At least I like the live versions with Taylor better than the -to my ears- rather one dimensional pre - arranged studio track.

I dont know what the Arpeggio version is also. First of all if he is referring to the lick before the chorus that is not an arpeggio. I noticed people here throwout terms not knowing what they mean.

LOL

Why don’t you try looking at the video I posted and listening. Might help you a bit connecting appropriate terminology.

Hey moron you didn’t post the video. It was posted by someone else. Bozo

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Arpeggio version:

But listen to the lick at around 3:12 on the right channel. That sounds like a Taylor lick to me. It’s almost like he’s trying to sound like Richards. This is before the overdubbed solo comes in.

At 3:00 it sounds like Richards in the right channel. Weird

*I should say I muted the left channel to hear it clearly.

I assume you're talking about the studio version? I don't hear Mick Taylor on it. All the fills and rhythm guitar(s) have a certain stiff approach. Taylor was a much more fluid, harmonical and melodic player; in a way that Keith never could deliver. That's not around on the studio track at all . For some reason they didn't give Taylor room in the studio, although he played splendid on brown sugar live versions even before the official track was released. So if you want to enjoy Taylor better listen to the (BS) live versions when he still was a member of the band. At least I like the live versions with Taylor better than the -to my ears- rather one dimensional pre - arranged studio track.

I dont know what the Arpeggio version is also. First of all if he is referring to the lick before the chorus that is not an arpeggio. I noticed people here throwout terms not knowing what they mean.

LOL

Why don’t you try looking at the video I posted and listening. Might help you a bit connecting appropriate terminology.

Hey moron you didn’t post the video. It was posted by someone else. Bozo

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The press button doesn't work??

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The press button doesn't work??

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The press button doesn't work??

It rarely does for screenshots

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The press button doesn't work??

It rarely does for screenshots

I just tried to show that TravelinMan posted the video of the Brown Sugar outtake on page 1 in this thread. Obviously, it's too hard for some to go back and listen.

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I don’t know what he means by arpeggio version either. I don’t see any video he posted.

Arpeggios in this case are the chords that Mick Taylor plays, tone by tone. You can also call it strumming, string by string. Very easy and relevantly.

You can hear it from 0:13 and onwards:

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I don’t know what he means by arpeggio version either. I don’t see any video he posted.

Arpeggios in this case are the chords that Mick Taylor plays, tone by tone. You can also call it strumming, string by string. Very easy and relevantly.

I actually called it erroneously tremelo picking....

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I had another listen to the "arpeggio version", posted by TravelinMan.

The guitar in the right channel playing the unusual stuff in the bridges is Keith. Taylor enters at 1:52 with his solo. The short licks starting round 2:51 are Keith in open G, HTW-style. At 3:11 Taylor's solo guitar reappears and takes over that right channel (instead of the middle channel which was used for the solo).

I'm pretty sure I got this right now. A fascinating listen. There is some good stuff here, but imo they made the right call by making room for the acoustic (and also making the other open G-guitar more prominent in the soundscape) in the bridges, instead of this guitar track.





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I don’t know what he means by arpeggio version either. I don’t see any video he posted.

Arpeggios in this case are the chords that Mick Taylor plays, tone by tone. You can also call it strumming, string by string. Very easy and relevantly.

I actually called it erroneously tremelo picking....

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I don’t know what he means by arpeggio version either. I don’t see any video he posted.

Arpeggios in this case are the chords that Mick Taylor plays, tone by tone. You can also call it strumming, string by string. Very easy and relevantly.

I actually called it erroneously tremelo picking....



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Errare humanum est.

Yes. It is called a rolled arpeggio. It is symbolized by a vertical squiggly line on sheet music. Like the intro to House Of The Rising Sun

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the telecaster on the table is probably mick taylor's blond telecaster that he used at the london concert in december 1969 and at the ed sullivan show on gimme shelter.
the one he has in his hands may be jimmy johnson's guitar.
there is also the famous es 330 which could be keith's guitar on brown sugar ......jimmy johnson telecaster

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the telecaster on the table is probably mick taylor's blond telecaster that he used at the london concert in december 1969 and at the ed sullivan show on gimme shelter.
the one he has in his hands may be jimmy johnson's guitar.
there is also the famous es 330 which could be keith's guitar on brown sugar ......jimmy johnson telecaster

Could well be Mick Taylor's Tele. However, as far as I can tell, Jimmy Johnson's guitar is an Esquire, as it appears not to have a neck pickup (the Tele Taylor is playing has a neck pickup, although one can't tell whether it's a standard Tele one or a humbucker).

More discussion in this thread (where I first came accross the photo):

Looks like Micawber but at Muscle Shoals