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I thought Jagger played the main rhythm part on the studio version?
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frenchstones33
in your opinion .
what guitar keith uses on the studio version of brown sugar.
I'm talking about the first intro guitar.
my candidates are:
gibson es 355 1969 walnut
gibson es 330
dan armstrong lucite 1969
gibson lespaul custom 3 pu
if we go by what jimmy johnson described.
the guitar is black with a double cutaway.
for me it's the 355.
the les paul custom is really black but does not have a double cutaway.
but it was tuned in open g during tour 69.
i don't think it's the dan armstrong.
or maybe the gibson es 330. while listening again I sometimes have the impression that it is a pickup p90 .....
not easy
it's up to you to vote !!!!!
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It was a Gibson, but not a Les Paul. I think it was a SG, and as I recall it was black. I remember it had those sharp horns on the cutaways. That's what he played most of the time he was here.
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My guess is the Dan Armstrong. He used that one in 1970-1971 on Brown Sugar, and the sound is pretty similar (especially the licks between the riffing). The gritty sound always gets a little cleaner in the studio on recordings.
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Noob post but with a Fender Twin pushed to 10 any "double-coil" guitar would sound alike, no?
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My guess is the Dan Armstrong. He used that one in 1970-1971 on Brown Sugar, and the sound is pretty similar (especially the licks between the riffing). The gritty sound always gets a little cleaner in the studio on recordings.
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I agree. However, I think the only guitar from the Muscle Shoals sessions is Keith's main open G guitar driving the song. Taylor was erased completely, and all other guitars sound like overdubs from early 1970 by Keith. For the overdubs without he doubt he would have used the Armstrong, as this guitar appears to be his absolute favorite.
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DandelionPowderman
My guess is the Dan Armstrong. He used that one in 1970-1971 on Brown Sugar, and the sound is pretty similar (especially the licks between the riffing). The gritty sound always gets a little cleaner in the studio on recordings.
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I agree. However, I think the only guitar from the Muscle Shoals sessions is Keith's main open G guitar driving the song. Taylor was erased completely, and all other guitars sound like overdubs from early 1970 by Keith. For the overdubs without he doubt he would have used the Armstrong, as this guitar appears to be his absolute favorite.
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Somebody could write a paper on the recording of Brown Sugar. There are quite a few different versions out there to compare and contrast.
The thing that struck me is Jimmy Johnson saying the released version wasn’t too much different than the one they had recorded in Alabama.
Off the top of my head:
1- Gimme Shelter movie where Richards has a solo
2- Mick Taylor solo and outro version which sounds like a Strat. Also has arpeggios
3- Similar version to 2 I believe, but can’t recall exactly
4- Clapton version which is totally different material
5- Final released Sticky Fingers version
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My guess is the Dan Armstrong. He used that one in 1970-1971 on Brown Sugar, and the sound is pretty similar (especially the licks between the riffing). The gritty sound always gets a little cleaner in the studio on recordings.
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I agree. However, I think the only guitar from the Muscle Shoals sessions is Keith's main open G guitar driving the song. Taylor was erased completely, and all other guitars sound like overdubs from early 1970 by Keith. For the overdubs without he doubt he would have used the Armstrong, as this guitar appears to be his absolute favorite.
Mathijs
Somebody could write a paper on the recording of Brown Sugar. There are quite a few different versions out there to compare and contrast.
The thing that struck me is Jimmy Johnson saying the released version wasn’t too much different than the one they had recorded in Alabama.
Off the top of my head:
1- Gimme Shelter movie where Richards has a solo
2- Mick Taylor solo and outro version which sounds like a Strat. Also has arpeggios
3- Similar version to 2 I believe, but can’t recall exactly
4- Clapton version which is totally different material
5- Final released Sticky Fingers version
The arpeggios in the bridge were played by Keith, methinks. On that version Taylor played the third electric guitar (a Strat?).
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TravelinMan
Arpeggio version:
But listen to the lick at around 3:12 on the right channel. That sounds like a Taylor lick to me. It’s almost like he’s trying to sound like Richards. This is before the overdubbed solo comes in.
At 3:00 it sounds like Richards in the right channel. Weird
*I should say I muted the left channel to hear it clearly.
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TravelinMan
Arpeggio version:
But listen to the lick at around 3:12 on the right channel. That sounds like a Taylor lick to me. It’s almost like he’s trying to sound like Richards. This is before the overdubbed solo comes in.
At 3:00 it sounds like Richards in the right channel. Weird
*I should say I muted the left channel to hear it clearly.
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Arpeggio version:
But listen to the lick at around 3:12 on the right channel. That sounds like a Taylor lick to me. It’s almost like he’s trying to sound like Richards. This is before the overdubbed solo comes in.
At 3:00 it sounds like Richards in the right channel. Weird
*I should say I muted the left channel to hear it clearly.
I assume you're talking about the studio version? I don't hear Mick Taylor on it. All the fills and rhythm guitar(s) have a certain stiff approach. Taylor was a much more fluid, harmonical and melodic player; in a way that Keith never could deliver. That's not around on the studio track at all . For some reason they didn't give Taylor room in the studio, although he played splendid on brown sugar live versions even before the official track was released. So if you want to enjoy Taylor better listen to the (BS) live versions when he still was a member of the band. At least I like the live versions with Taylor better than the -to my ears- rather one dimensional pre - arranged studio track.
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Arpeggio version:
But listen to the lick at around 3:12 on the right channel. That sounds like a Taylor lick to me. It’s almost like he’s trying to sound like Richards. This is before the overdubbed solo comes in.
At 3:00 it sounds like Richards in the right channel. Weird
*I should say I muted the left channel to hear it clearly.
I assume you're talking about the studio version? I don't hear Mick Taylor on it. All the fills and rhythm guitar(s) have a certain stiff approach. Taylor was a much more fluid, harmonical and melodic player; in a way that Keith never could deliver. That's not around on the studio track at all . For some reason they didn't give Taylor room in the studio, although he played splendid on brown sugar live versions even before the official track was released. So if you want to enjoy Taylor better listen to the (BS) live versions when he still was a member of the band. At least I like the live versions with Taylor better than the -to my ears- rather one dimensional pre - arranged studio track.
No not the Sticky Fingers version:
Right channel around 3:12. That sounds like quintessential Taylor playing. The lead guitar overdub comes in soon after.
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Mathijs
Taylor plays the tremolo picked guitar pattern, focusing on the high notes, He played the same chording and tremelo picking on Altamont and the 1970's versions, and sometimes live in 1972 as well (Philly for example). His guitar was fully erased in early 1970, and Keith overdubbed all electric guitars, which are like 5 or 6 tracks in total. I think the main reason is that Taylor's part is really 'on' the 1, whereas Keith is playing with the timing very much to give it this push and pull and RnR feel.
I doubt Taylor used a Strat at Muscle Shoals. I don't know if he actually had one in 1969, but he favored a Tele in 1969/1970 for studio work (Jiving Sister Fanny, Hillside Blues, Stop Breaking Down, I Don't Know Why etc), and there are pics of him with a Tele at Muscle Shoals.
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