I think the key word is ‘functioning’ Ronnie was a functioning alcoholic. I absolutely believe he had a physiological and physical addiction. Perhaps, one could argue he was an alcoholic dependent, but I suspect he was the former. Not every addict is in the gutter, wetting their pants and vomiting heavily.

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The world is not black and white, Rocktiludrop. I'm sorry people you knew passed before turning 50, that's very sad, but it doesn't change the fact that alcoholism doesn't fit in a tid byy box.

I find your comments extremely tone-deaf and offensive. If Ronnie felt the need to seek intervention for his drinking habits/problem, then clearly he felt he had a problem. And I'm sure people around him pointed out issues that came with his alcoholism-- it's rare that people wake up one day and decide, "Gee, I don't want to chug this anymore" without the push of loved ones. It's not impossible, but it is rare. And your generalization of alcoholics...! I'm not even going to try to touch that one.

Anyway, I'm glad Ronnie got to meet up with Mick and Rod! I can't imagine how they all feel.

Ok let me put it another way that proves people are called alcoholics today when they are not. I'm saying the very opposite of what you assume i am saying.

Myself and my friends were all considered alcoholics 20 years ago because we went out on a Friday and Saturday night and got wasted, 10 pints of beer and half a dozen chasers, that went on regularly for 20 years. By today's guidlines we were all alcoholics, people would actually call us alcoholics.

But out of the 5 of us friends not one of us has a drink problem today, without AA or any intervention we all cut back to various degrees or just got bored of the whole thing and made other priorities in life, in our late 50s now we are clearly not the alcoholics we have witnessed dying around us over the years including family members we have watched drink themselves to death, the word alcoholic is clearly used too freely on anyone who drinks a lot.

Ok I'm out of this subject, folk put people into boxes calling people alcoholics that are no such thing, its a very very complex subject but i say if you can stop when you want to you are not an alcoholic, that's my definition, I'm not interested if you find that offensives, I've studied drinkers all my life and i know what I'm talking about, someone who gets wasted and drinks over government guidelines is not necessarily an alcoholic, its far more complex than that, its why do you drink, is it to socialise and get plastered with your friends ( as we have seen Ronnie do ), or it it to burry yourself in drink to forget or alleviate from grief, insecurities or mental health issues, its not in my opinion something black and white or to be put in a box as you accuse me of doing.

I'd consider myself 'alcohol dependent' Any sense of anxiety or stress, and I'll head for the beers. It's a coping mechanism; a crutch. When my mind is clear and I'm content, I'll gladly leave the beer until the weekend. At present, my routine is one beer when I'm in from work and then a second whilst I'm cooking my dinner. It hasn't crept beyond the two cans, but I'm disappointed with myself. I'm not drinking 'till inebriation and I'm waking with a clear head, but...

The irony is that, physically, I'm the fittest I've ever been. I've lost 40ibs over nine-month period and exercise like never before.



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I'd consider myself 'alcohol dependent' Any sense of anxiety or stress, and I'll head for the beers. It's a coping mechanism; a crutch. When my mind is clear and I'm content, I'll gladly leave the beer until the weekend. At present, my routine is one beer when I'm in from work and then a second whilst I'm cooking my dinner. It hasn't crept beyond the two cans, but I'm disappointed with myself. I'm not drinking 'till inebriation and I'm waking with a clear head, but...

The irony is that, physically, I'm the fittest I've ever been. I've lost 40ibs over nine-month period and exercise like never before.

What you beating yourself up about, it's a scientific fact women that have one drink a day and men that have one to two drinks a day live longer.
But according to celebrities today you are an alcoholic. If you are fit and it works for you and you have time between your first and second drink you are fine mate, take care and enjoy your drinks.

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What you beating yourself up about, it's a scientific fact women that have one drink a day and men that have one to two drinks a day live longer.
But according to celebrities today you are an alcoholic. If you are fit and it works for you and you have time between your first and second drink you are fine mate, take care and enjoy your drinks.

You didn't strike me as the type to believe in scientific facts.

Here's another fact for ya' seeing how you're open to citing them.
This isn't about what celebrities think.

"Since 1956, the American Medical Association (AMA) has identified alcoholism as a disease characterized by compulsive decision-making, impulsive behavior and relapse."

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What you beating yourself up about, it's a scientific fact women that have one drink a day and men that have one to two drinks a day live longer.
But according to celebrities today you are an alcoholic. If you are fit and it works for you and you have time between your first and second drink you are fine mate, take care and enjoy your drinks.

You didn't strike me as the type to believe in scientific facts.

Here's another fact for ya' seeing how you're open to citing them.
This isn't about what celebrities think.

"Since 1956, the American Medical Association (AMA) has identified alcoholism as a disease characterized by compulsive decision-making, impulsive behavior and relapse."

Out of curiosity what do you think is the best thing to do out of having a couple beers to deal with anxiety stress etc or go the way of prescribed pharmaceutical drugs that is an absolute epidemic of addiction currently.

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What you beating yourself up about, it's a scientific fact women that have one drink a day and men that have one to two drinks a day live longer.
But according to celebrities today you are an alcoholic. If you are fit and it works for you and you have time between your first and second drink you are fine mate, take care and enjoy your drinks.

You didn't strike me as the type to believe in scientific facts.

Here's another fact for ya' seeing how you're open to citing them.
This isn't about what celebrities think.

"Since 1956, the American Medical Association (AMA) has identified alcoholism as a disease characterized by compulsive decision-making, impulsive behavior and relapse."

Out of curiosity what do you think is the best thing to do out of having a couple beers to deal with anxiety stress etc or go the way of prescribed pharmaceutical drugs that is an absolute epidemic of addiction currently.

Neither.
Personally, I prefer weed.
Healthier people use exercise, meditation, etc.

Not everyone who uses, or even abuses, alcohol or other drugs is an alcoholic or an addict, I agree with you on this.
As you seem very defensive about the issue, it seems likely you are struggling with your own alcohol/addiction demons. Nothing to be ashamed of, grab a meeting or consider rehab. No sarcasm, and apologies if I'm reading it wrong, but typically such denial is a strong indicator.

Let Ronnie be an inspiration to you as he is to many with his sobriety and recovery.
Good luck.

I am with you DDDD. Alcohol is no bueno, period. Probably worse than heroin though I doubt it rises to the level of Methamphetamine or cocaine.

jb

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What you beating yourself up about, it's a scientific fact women that have one drink a day and men that have one to two drinks a day live longer.
But according to celebrities today you are an alcoholic. If you are fit and it works for you and you have time between your first and second drink you are fine mate, take care and enjoy your drinks.

You didn't strike me as the type to believe in scientific facts.

Here's another fact for ya' seeing how you're open to citing them.
This isn't about what celebrities think.

"Since 1956, the American Medical Association (AMA) has identified alcoholism as a disease characterized by compulsive decision-making, impulsive behavior and relapse."

Out of curiosity what do you think is the best thing to do out of having a couple beers to deal with anxiety stress etc or go the way of prescribed pharmaceutical drugs that is an absolute epidemic of addiction currently.

Neither.
Personally, I prefer weed.
Healthier people use exercise, meditation, etc.

Not everyone who uses, or even abuses, alcohol or other drugs is an alcoholic or an addict, I agree with you on this.
As you seem very defensive about the issue, it seems likely you are struggling with your own alcohol/addiction demons. Nothing to be ashamed of, grab a meeting or consider rehab. No sarcasm, and apologies if I'm reading it wrong, but typically such denial is a strong indicator.

Let Ronnie be an inspiration to you as he is to many with his sobriety and recovery.
Good luck.

Well as i mentioned i used to drink a lot until the last 5 years and it's sort of special occasions these days, I'm the fittest I've ever been in my life and I'm the wrong side of 50, in prefect health and seem to have got away with my heavy drinking of the past.
Yes i consider i had a problem with it in the past, problem being i wanted more than enough, i loved drinking very much and looking back it did get messy and i suffered hangovers that lasted days.
I've never considered i was an alcoholic and as I've always enjoyed it, basically i think i got more out of drink than it got out of me, never needed rehab as it was a weekend binge sort of thing and i always stopped during the week.
Obviously i feel better these days not drinking but on occasion i will sink a bottle of JD no problem or sink a few bottles of wine if it's a big party going into the early hours, don't get hangovers these days, probably due to my fitness..
The key to getting away with it is having periods of not drinking at all and the body completely recovers.

Ronnie out and about with Paul Weller from his FB page today, looking well

Looks like a great day in London town, assuming thats where they are. Its good to see Ronnie is out and about during the daytime, a pretty sure sign he feels pretty good I would imagine.

Re: the weed above, I realize it is still a crutch of sorts but do think overall its a lot healthier for you than many other crutches, starting with alcohol but certainly extending to other mood altering substances and most of all that bane of tobacco.

jb

I really hope Ronnie is doing well cancer wise.

I wish him the best. He looks happy.

For the record, this meeting place was Harry's Bar, London. I found out about this gathering on Facebook. I bet they've met up in more private places as well to help keep Ronnie's spirits up during his recovery. It's great to see that they really care about each other, outside of being bandmates!
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