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Doxa
Hmm... yeah. Can't much argue with her, although I love all the songs she mentions, since I have grown up with them, and never thought about them having anything 'wrong', at least much, with them.
Trying to argue with her is doomed to fail - sooner or later. She talks in terms of today and, even more, of tomorrow. Even the idea of explaining like it was all done in a tongue-in-a-cheek or just being humorous. Yeah, it used to be fun, but any longer (so the argument will go and win). Nothing is sadder than a joke no one laughs at, just a case of showing one's weakness in judgment or a bad taste.
That's what my brains tell me, not what my heart says. I'm way too old to really think in different terms that I have used all of my life.
It will be interesting how all of this will be seen and judged in future (and we see a glimpse of that already). I don't think the Stones will have nothing to really worry about as far as their legacy goes - they have done enough of cultural history by now - but it will have a certain 'passed era' feel in them for sure. Like they were children and representation of the times and of the attitudes of those times and one needs a certain historical understanding to enjoy them aesthetically by a whole heart. I mean, people still respect Aristotle, although he thought about the female sex having not a mind capable for a proper intellectual work (lacking essentially a 'rational part of soul'). I don't think we need to worry about if the plague at Dartford railway station will be removed (unless Bill Wyman comes up with some new argument...)
- Doxa
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MadMetaphoricalMax
It's not particularly well written, it's too obtuse and that is revealed from the writer's opening salvo against Brown Sugar - 'despite its clumsy lyrics and blatant fetishization of Black women'- when in fact the lyrics are not in the least clumsy, and the 'fetishization' is not simply of 'black women' but of sex, smack, sado masochism, cunnilungus, power, subjugation and more... ' To write or to sing about these things does not mean promoting or proselytizing them, but of evoking and dramatising them. That's a crucial differentiation the current age of judgmental finger-pointing puritanical commissars of identity politics get wrong, wrong, wrong. They're like the Stasi in blindfolds, with a Mary Whitehouse facemask. What do they DO at night? Trash small businesses in Portland? The rest of it is po-faced hilarious, esp when you get to Short & Curlies, while the 'aural blackface' line is just bullshit. There are valid objections here in terms of personal taste - in which case, fine, don't play the @#$%& songs on your handheld device, but otherwise, I'd suggest these judgments and attitudes will date faster than an Eighties mullet with highlights.
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Stoneage
Why the hostility? You don't have to agree with everything she writes. You do know it's free to interpret the lyrics any way you want? It's not a capital crime...
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spikenyc
Not sure if I agree with most of what the writer is saying here?
It was another time but most of these songs still endure the test of time.
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liddas
Does anybody remember the group of religious fanatics that used to distribute booklets before stones concerts to warn you how dangerous to the soul that devil's music was?
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WorriedAboutYou
Sweet Black Angel and When The Whip Comes Down not included is a surprise.
The stuff about cultural appropriation just made her look uneducated about the roots of music.
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liddas
Does anybody remember the group of religious fanatics that used to distribute booklets before stones concerts to warn you how dangerous to the soul that devil's music was?
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liddas
Does anybody remember the group of religious fanatics that used to distribute booklets before stones concerts to warn you how dangerous to the soul that devil's music was?
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It's still a thing. In 2018 I received not only a leaflet, rather a whole book after the show and I must say I appreciate the effort to save my soul so I kept it as an additional souvenir.
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liddas
Does anybody remember the group of religious fanatics that used to distribute booklets before stones concerts to warn you how dangerous to the soul that devil's music was?
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cowboytoast
I work at a record shop and put on "Sticky Fingers" the other day - I could tell as soon as "Brown Sugar" started -even with the mask - that this one angry looking, chubby person (that usually never buys anything) was going to say something - which she did - I politely welcomed her to leave if she didn't want to hear it - which surprised her as a lot of these people think they can make silly demands and people will abide-
The best part is another customer bought a new copy of the album - she had never heard it but the jam section of "Cant You hear me Knockin" sold her on it - and she was a person of color who normally buys jazz & Prince records-