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You Got Me Rocking is their only post 81 warhorse. At 15th place on their setlist top list. Played 448 times on tour.
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A bit embarrassing - not only a horrible tune, but also the fact they've tried to force-feed it while most in attendance give it the thumbs down.
That said, can't think of any other post '81 tunes that are truly warhose worthy - maybe their cover of Harlem Shuffle should have been played more, but alas it's a cover...
Maybe "Out of Control"; good lyrics, Temptations' musical roots, great bipolar rythm change with kickass accelaration on loud keith's guitar riffing with Mick's fantastic harmonica rock out.
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Unfortunately with the exception of the brilliant Thru And Thru and the OKish I Go Wild, everything after the first 5 songs is utter rubbish and an embarrassment. Honestly, put any of those songs up even next to the rockers on Emotional Rescue and you'll know what I'm talking about. They ain't no roll. And not even no rock for that matter.
The songs that have stemmed from those sessions on the recent FF boot would have made VL a far stronger album.
Tracks 2 and 3 are rubbish and track 5 is just flake!
Love Is Strong, The Worst, Moon Is Up, Out Of Tears, I Go Wild, Baby Break It Down, Thru And Thru and Mean Disposition... that alone is a pretty damn good LP.
Moon Is Up, Baby Break It Up, Mean Disposition, Out Of Tears - are you kidding me. This is the band that made Exile On Main Street, Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers and they are stumbling into their old age. Really, give it up if you can't be tough any more. These songs are lame. It's old man's rock. I don't know when you first got into the band but I expect a hell of of a lot more.
You're saying that about those songs? Those are LET IT BLEED compared to quite a few others on VOODOO yet alone after. Be "tough"? That's ridiculous.
Each to their own. No point arguing with taste in that case. Just giving my opinion but it does seem to echo a common feeling amongst older Stones fans at least that they are spent force creatively. I guess if you saw them in 73 you might feel the same so excuse my age..
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Taylor1
Some Girls is overated.It has a few great songs,Beast of Burden,Some Girls, Shattered,but Lies ,Respectible, Far Away Eyes and the gross When thewhip Comes down are mediocre at best. Out of Control , Anybody Seen My Baby,Slipping Away,Mixed Emotions, Almost Hear You Sigh,Out of Control,Blinded ByRainbows, Saint Of Me,Gunface, Sweet Hearts Together are better...
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shadooby
Huh...wait...what...I loved every bit of Voodoo Lounge.
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Gazza
How can people seriously argue that such-and-such a producer would have resulted in a better album? How can you possibly know or predict that about individuals you dont know?
Rubin worked with Jagger on Wandering Spirit. Its a good record, but he's on record as saying he has no wish to ever repeat the experience. Not hiring him for VL or any record thereafter is hardly the Stones' fault.
The album is overlong basically because by their own admission they crammed a few extras on there as they hadnt made a new record in five years (the longest gap ever at that point - those were the days, eh? By that yardstick, the next album will probably have about 30 songs on it.....)
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How can people seriously argue that such-and-such a producer would have resulted in a better album? How can you possibly know or predict that about individuals you dont know?
Rubin worked with Jagger on Wandering Spirit. Its a good record, but he's on record as saying he has no wish to ever repeat the experience. Not hiring him for VL or any record thereafter is hardly the Stones' fault.
The album is overlong basically because by their own admission they crammed a few extras on there as they hadnt made a new record in five years (the longest gap ever at that point - those were the days, eh? By that yardstick, the next album will probably have about 30 songs on it.....)
Rubin produced the only Mick's good solo record...and it's no coincidence!
During the sessions there was the right tension...no yes man!
Imho Rubin (or George Drakoulias) would have done a great job with VL and i'm pretty sure they would not have accepted that muffled/sterilized sound and "Sweethearts Together" instead of "The Storm"!
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liddas
Sound on Wondering Spirit and VL is more or less the same.
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I think the relative failure of VL had several reasons :
- both Mick and Keef had somehow dried up the creative well with their solo albums.
- it was the very first time they cut an album without Bill. No matter what they could have said at the time it certainly put them off balance.
- Don Was entered the picture and as starstruck as he was he certainly said "yes that's great!" more often than he should have.
- after the terrific success of the SW album and tour, maybe maybe the band was a tad cocky for the VL sessions. Like "hey nothing can put us down".
The recent release of 4 new VL tracks made me re-assess the Vigotone sets and frankly there's some tedious music on it. Imho "The Worst" would have been a lovely B-side "sleeper" but frankly putting it on the album?
Otoh all the new B2B material that surfaced this year is fresh and exciting.
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How can people seriously argue that such-and-such a producer would have resulted in a better album? How can you possibly know or predict that about individuals you dont know?
Rubin worked with Jagger on Wandering Spirit. Its a good record, but he's on record as saying he has no wish to ever repeat the experience. Not hiring him for VL or any record thereafter is hardly the Stones' fault.
The album is overlong basically because by their own admission they crammed a few extras on there as they hadnt made a new record in five years (the longest gap ever at that point - those were the days, eh? By that yardstick, the next album will probably have about 30 songs on it.....)
Rubin produced the only Mick's good solo record...and it's no coincidence!
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I think the relative failure of VL had several reasons :
- both Mick and Keef had somehow dried up the creative well with their solo albums.
- it was the very first time they cut an album without Bill. No matter what they could have said at the time it certainly put them off balance.
- Don Was entered the picture and as starstruck as he was he certainly said "yes that's great!" more often than he should have.
- after the terrific success of the SW album and tour, maybe maybe the band was a tad cocky for the VL sessions. Like "hey nothing can put us down".
The recent release of 4 new VL tracks made me re-assess the Vigotone sets and frankly there's some tedious music on it. Imho "The Worst" would have been a lovely B-side "sleeper" but frankly putting it on the album?
Otoh all the new B2B material that surfaced this year is fresh and exciting.
I thought Don Was vetoed on omitting the experimental stuff that Mick and Keith wanted to include on VL - hence Was acted as anything but a 'yes-man'.
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How can people seriously argue that such-and-such a producer would have resulted in a better album? How can you possibly know or predict that about individuals you dont know?
Rubin worked with Jagger on Wandering Spirit. Its a good record, but he's on record as saying he has no wish to ever repeat the experience. Not hiring him for VL or any record thereafter is hardly the Stones' fault.
The album is overlong basically because by their own admission they crammed a few extras on there as they hadnt made a new record in five years (the longest gap ever at that point - those were the days, eh? By that yardstick, the next album will probably have about 30 songs on it.....)
Rubin produced the only Mick's good solo record...and it's no coincidence!
Thats not the point. Neither party wanted to repeat the experience. Rubin said Jagger was so surrounded by yes-men that his ego couldnt deal with a producer telling him that the work he was bringing to the studio wasnt that good and that he was capable of better. Imagine Keith's reaction to that criticism.
Should they have done a Spector and forced him to work at gunpoint?
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How can people seriously argue that such-and-such a producer would have resulted in a better album? How can you possibly know or predict that about individuals you dont know?
Rubin worked with Jagger on Wandering Spirit. Its a good record, but he's on record as saying he has no wish to ever repeat the experience. Not hiring him for VL or any record thereafter is hardly the Stones' fault.
The album is overlong basically because by their own admission they crammed a few extras on there as they hadnt made a new record in five years (the longest gap ever at that point - those were the days, eh? By that yardstick, the next album will probably have about 30 songs on it.....)
Rubin produced the only Mick's good solo record...and it's no coincidence!
Thats not the point. Neither party wanted to repeat the experience. Rubin said Jagger was so surrounded by yes-men that his ego couldnt deal with a producer telling him that the work he was bringing to the studio wasnt that good and that he was capable of better. Imagine Keith's reaction to that criticism.
Should they have done a Spector and forced him to work at gunpoint?
He was so right!!!
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Unfortunately with the exception of the brilliant Thru And Thru and the OKish I Go Wild, everything after the first 5 songs is utter rubbish and an embarrassment. Honestly, put any of those songs up even next to the rockers on Emotional Rescue and you'll know what I'm talking about. They ain't no roll. And not even no rock for that matter.
The songs that have stemmed from those sessions on the recent FF boot would have made VL a far stronger album.
Tracks 2 and 3 are rubbish and track 5 is just flake!
Love Is Strong, The Worst, Moon Is Up, Out Of Tears, I Go Wild, Baby Break It Down, Thru And Thru and Mean Disposition... that alone is a pretty damn good LP.
Moon Is Up, Baby Break It Up, Mean Disposition, Out Of Tears - are you kidding me. This is the band that made Exile On Main Street, Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers and they are stumbling into their old age. Really, give it up if you can't be tough any more. These songs are lame. It's old man's rock. I don't know when you first got into the band but I expect a hell of of a lot more.
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I think the relative failure of VL had several reasons :
- both Mick and Keef had somehow dried up the creative well with their solo albums.
- it was the very first time they cut an album without Bill. No matter what they could have said at the time it certainly put them off balance.
- Don Was entered the picture and as starstruck as he was he certainly said "yes that's great!" more often than he should have.
- after the terrific success of the SW album and tour, maybe maybe the band was a tad cocky for the VL sessions. Like "hey nothing can put us down".
The recent release of 4 new VL tracks made me re-assess the Vigotone sets and frankly there's some tedious music on it. Imho "The Worst" would have been a lovely B-side "sleeper" but frankly putting it on the album?
Otoh all the new B2B material that surfaced this year is fresh and exciting.
I thought Don Was vetoed on omitting the experimental stuff that Mick and Keith wanted to include on VL - hence Was acted as anything but a 'yes-man'.
(Don Was is) definitely anti-groove. Charlie and I worked on a lot of groove tunes that never made it on to the record. That was the one thing I was slightly disappointed by.
- Mick Jagger, May 1994
I'm certainly not anti-groove, just anti-groove without substance, in the context of this album. They had a number of great grooves. But it was like, OK, what goes on top of it? Where does it go? I just felt that it's not what people were looking for from the Stones. I was looking for a sign that they can great real serious about this, still play better than anybody and write better than anybody.
- Don Was, May 1994
It's very much a kind of time-and-place album. In that way I was quite pleased with the results. But there were a lot of things that we wrote for Voodoo Lounge that Don (Was) steered us away from: groove songs, African influences and things like that. And he steered us away very clear of all that. And I think it was a mistake... He tried to remake Exile on Main Street or something like that. Plus, the engineer (Don Smith) was also trying to do the same thing. Their mind-set about it was just too retro. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it inherently, but they went over the top; they'd gone too far... I didn't really fight it in the end. I gave up because there was no point in it. I think both Charlie and I didn't really like it, but we could see that that was the direction you could go, and it might be successful. I don't think it really was that successful, because I don't think there's any point in having these over-retro references. I think it was an opportunity missed to go in another direction, which would have been more unusual, a little more radical, although it's always going to sound like the Rolling Stones.
- Mick Jagger, 1995
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My Voodoo Lounge Revisited:
I Go Wild (Alternate Take)
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Love Is Strong (Extended Rock Version)
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Cocaine Blues
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You Got Me Rocking (Alt.)
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The Storm
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Sparks Will Fly
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New Faces (Instrumental)
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So Young
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The Worst (live with W.Nelson and S.Crow)
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Suck on the jugular (Alt.)
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Moon is Up
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You Got It Made
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Elmo Lewis
Wow! I like almost all of VL.
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Taylor1
Blinded by Rainbows ,Sweet hearts Tgether,and Out of Tears are great songs.Only would replace Suck on the Juggler and Baby Break it Down with Jump on Top of Me and a complete Zipmouth Angel Suck on the Juggler may be the worst Stones songever.Baby Break it Down sucks too