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. Okay,Nick Kent is an idiot and had horrible taste in music so therefore the Stones sucked live in London 1973.Bill Wyman did say that there was no band as good as the Stones live in 1972-1973Quote
jbwelda
Nick Kent was an idiot with horrible musical taste.
IMO of course
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Nick Kent was an idiot with horrible musical taste.
IMO of course.
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jbwelda
Nick Kent was an idiot with horrible musical taste.
IMO of course.
jb
Well that's interesting.
He was a HUGE stones fan.
He had his own band.
And Keith really liked and respected him.
They spent time together.
Next?
Please no politics, especially about thepresent occupant of the White House,especially since I assume you don't live here so wouldn't know what's going onQuote
jbwelda
You as usual make a giant leap of logic there Taylor. That was not the intention of what I wrote at all. But as we saw with a certain former prez, even a broken clock gets it right twice a day, and that's a good parallel with Mr Kent.
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jbwelda
You as usual make a giant leap of logic there Taylor. That was not the intention of what I wrote at all. But as we saw with a certain former prez, even a broken clock gets it right twice a day, and that's a good parallel with Mr Kent.
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Taylor1Please no p*******, especially about thepresent occupant of the White House,especially since I assume you don't live here so wouldn't know what's going onQuote
jbwelda
You as usual make a giant leap of logic there Taylor. That was not the intention of what I wrote at all. But as we saw with a certain former prez, even a broken clock gets it right twice a day, and that's a good parallel with Mr Kent.
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jbwelda
Nick Kent was an idiot with horrible musical taste.
IMO of course.
jb
Well that's interesting.
He was a HUGE stones fan.
He had his own band.
And Keith really liked and respected him.
They spent time together.
Next?
Kent claimed that Keith used capos on his guitars because he was too stoned to play without them.
It doesn't reek of profound knowledge there...
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jbwelda
Nick Kent was an idiot with horrible musical taste.
IMO of course.
jb
Well that's interesting.
He was a HUGE stones fan.
He had his own band.
And Keith really liked and respected him.
They spent time together.
Next?
Kent claimed that Keith used capos on his guitars because he was too stoned to play without them.
It doesn't reek of profound knowledge there...
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ryanpow
There has to be a point? Oh, sh*t.
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ROPENI
I saw the Stones two nights in 69 at MSG, they were great, they had not toured the USA for a few years Mick Taylor was new and refreshing, probably at their best music wise, saw them in 72 also at MSG on Mick's birthday they were good but not great imo, they were playing pretty fast, like let's get this show over so we can "party". In 75 l saw all six shows also at MSG, their best stage the Lotus the opening number HTW was amazing,the rest of the shows were good but not to the level of the 69 shows, and l have to agree Mick and Billy bumping their asses on Preston's numbers were pretty lame,same for ollie's playing it took away from the essence of the band. My two cents...
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ROPENI
I saw the Stones two nights in 69 at MSG, they were great, they had not toured the USA for a few years Mick Taylor was new and refreshing, probably at their best music wise, saw them in 72 also at MSG on Mick's birthday they were good but not great imo, they were playing pretty fast, like let's get this show over so we can "party". In 75 l saw all six shows also at MSG, their best stage the Lotus the opening number HTW was amazing,the rest of the shows were good but not to the level of the 69 shows, and l have to agree Mick and Billy bumping their asses on Preston's numbers were pretty lame,same for ollie's playing it took away from the essence of the band. My two cents...
Lot more than two cents!
Some epic shows.. were you around for the flatbed announcement?
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In '75 he was still largely playing like a Faces guitarist and he hadn't started to blend instinctively with Keith, in a way that MT did immediately in '69.
In 73 what jumps at you is the blending between Keef and MT is gone. Each man plays his part it's very cut and dried at times quite boring. Take "Gimme shelter" you know when MT's going to play his solo, what he's going to play when he's going to end and hand the torch back to Keef.
There's no interplay, it's like a stage play with 2 actors delivering their lines for the uptenth time. At least one of them (Keef naturally) tries to inject a bit of freshness into the whole thing.
Don't get me there but I think MT's departure was a good thing for the band. Otherwise the 75 tour would have a 1973 tour part two. A painfully cut-and-dried musical output (Keef on basic chords, MT on leads) and a 20-minute version of "Time Waits..." where MT soloes ad-lib while Jagger prances onstage.
God no!
But ‘75 was ‘73 part two, just with a stand-in instead of a lead actor. Wood didn’t have any time to develop new stuff and it’s obvious he listened to Taylor’s parts for influence. But he’s not a Taylor-type player. He would have never made it in the Bluesbreakers. And that’s FINE. There are still some great musical moments on the tour but to say it is vastly different from ‘73 just isn’t correct.
Like I said before, the Ron Wood era became unique with the Some Girls tour when they stripped everything back and started over.
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jbwelda
Nick Kent was an idiot with horrible musical taste.
IMO of course.
jb
Well that's interesting.
He was a HUGE stones fan.
He had his own band.
And Keith really liked and respected him.
They spent time together.
Next?
Kent claimed that Keith used capos on his guitars because he was too stoned to play without them.
It doesn't reek of profound knowledge there...
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In '75 he was still largely playing like a Faces guitarist and he hadn't started to blend instinctively with Keith, in a way that MT did immediately in '69.
In 73 what jumps at you is the blending between Keef and MT is gone. Each man plays his part it's very cut and dried at times quite boring. Take "Gimme shelter" you know when MT's going to play his solo, what he's going to play when he's going to end and hand the torch back to Keef.
There's no interplay, it's like a stage play with 2 actors delivering their lines for the uptenth time. At least one of them (Keef naturally) tries to inject a bit of freshness into the whole thing.
Don't get me there but I think MT's departure was a good thing for the band. Otherwise the 75 tour would have a 1973 tour part two. A painfully cut-and-dried musical output (Keef on basic chords, MT on leads) and a 20-minute version of "Time Waits..." where MT soloes ad-lib while Jagger prances onstage.
God no!
But ‘75 was ‘73 part two, just with a stand-in instead of a lead actor. Wood didn’t have any time to develop new stuff and it’s obvious he listened to Taylor’s parts for influence. But he’s not a Taylor-type player. He would have never made it in the Bluesbreakers. And that’s FINE. There are still some great musical moments on the tour but to say it is vastly different from ‘73 just isn’t correct.
Like I said before, the Ron Wood era became unique with the Some Girls tour when they stripped everything back and started over.
Perhaps the criticism of Ronnie is a tad bit much regarding 1975/76. As much as it may seem that there was plenty of time, consider that they finished IORR, Taylor quit, then they recorded BLACK AND BLUE and had already planned a tour... and Ronnie was still dealing with The Faces.
One could read what Ronnie said about joining that tour and get a really good idea of what HE was dealing with regarding the past with being present:
I remember learning 150 of their repertoire (laughs). I gave up trying to remember which key each one was in or the chord sequence to a lot of them. I did a lot of it by feel in the end, you know. Had to, it's impossible to log all of those songs.
It was intense - to get hit with all of those Mick Taylor lines, to echo what Brian had done, then to add my own bluesy input to it all.
Even Mick had a good idea of what was going on regarding the lunacy of it all:
I wanted someone that was easy to get on with, you know, that wasn't too difficult and that was a good player and was used to playing onstage. It's quite a lot to ask of someone to come and do a big American tour with a band like the Stones, you know? I mean, not that I think the Stones are any really big deal, but it tends to be a bit of a paralyzing experience for people. You know what I mean? And I wanted someone that wasn't going to be phased out.
He can sing... a little. He'll probably say a lot about that! He can sing. He's starting to get it togehter... Onstage he's got a lot of style. And it's gotta be fun on the road. That's what it's all about, isn't it?
[timeisonourside.com]
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dcba
I agree. Imho in 75 the band (or Mick?) made one mistake : thinking they had to compensate for the loss of MT by playing much longer gigs.That led to gigs that sometimes lacked some energy (the punishing tour schedule didn't help...).
2Hrs top was more than enough for me. Leave the silly live marathons to Yes or Led Balloon.
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I agree. Imho in 75 the band (or Mick?) made one mistake : thinking they had to compensate for the loss of MT by playing much longer gigs.That led to gigs that sometimes lacked some energy (the punishing tour schedule didn't help...).
2Hrs top was more than enough for me. Leave the silly live marathons to Yes or Led Balloon.
They were just following the trend of the mid-70's -everybody was playing much longer than before. Zep was playing 4 hour shows, with half hour drum solo's and half hour Theremin bullshit...
The music industry simply became much more an entertainment industry instead of the art form it was before. People paid more for tickets, and expected to be entertained and get value. They started selling popcorn and soda in the isles of the 1975 shows!
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In '75 he was still largely playing like a Faces guitarist and he hadn't started to blend instinctively with Keith, in a way that MT did immediately in '69.
In 73 what jumps at you is the blending between Keef and MT is gone. Each man plays his part it's very cut and dried at times quite boring. Take "Gimme shelter" you know when MT's going to play his solo, what he's going to play when he's going to end and hand the torch back to Keef.
There's no interplay, it's like a stage play with 2 actors delivering their lines for the uptenth time. At least one of them (Keef naturally) tries to inject a bit of freshness into the whole thing.
Don't get me there but I think MT's departure was a good thing for the band. Otherwise the 75 tour would have a 1973 tour part two. A painfully cut-and-dried musical output (Keef on basic chords, MT on leads) and a 20-minute version of "Time Waits..." where MT soloes ad-lib while Jagger prances onstage.
God no!
But ‘75 was ‘73 part two, just with a stand-in instead of a lead actor. Wood didn’t have any time to develop new stuff and it’s obvious he listened to Taylor’s parts for influence. But he’s not a Taylor-type player. He would have never made it in the Bluesbreakers. And that’s FINE. There are still some great musical moments on the tour but to say it is vastly different from ‘73 just isn’t correct.
Like I said before, the Ron Wood era became unique with the Some Girls tour when they stripped everything back and started over.
Perhaps the criticism of Ronnie is a tad bit much regarding 1975/76. As much as it may seem that there was plenty of time, consider that they finished IORR, Taylor quit, then they recorded BLACK AND BLUE and had already planned a tour... and Ronnie was still dealing with The Faces.
One could read what Ronnie said about joining that tour and get a really good idea of what HE was dealing with regarding the past with being present:
I remember learning 150 of their repertoire (laughs). I gave up trying to remember which key each one was in or the chord sequence to a lot of them. I did a lot of it by feel in the end, you know. Had to, it's impossible to log all of those songs.
It was intense - to get hit with all of those Mick Taylor lines, to echo what Brian had done, then to add my own bluesy input to it all.
Even Mick had a good idea of what was going on regarding the lunacy of it all:
I wanted someone that was easy to get on with, you know, that wasn't too difficult and that was a good player and was used to playing onstage. It's quite a lot to ask of someone to come and do a big American tour with a band like the Stones, you know? I mean, not that I think the Stones are any really big deal, but it tends to be a bit of a paralyzing experience for people. You know what I mean? And I wanted someone that wasn't going to be phased out.
He can sing... a little. He'll probably say a lot about that! He can sing. He's starting to get it togehter... Onstage he's got a lot of style. And it's gotta be fun on the road. That's what it's all about, isn't it?
[timeisonourside.com]
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bobo
Yes, Taylor did become bored.