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georgie48
How come that Aldridge never mentioned publically about any "rip off"? He could have made a fortune if that would have been the case
And how about the person who first sliced an apple in half? How long ago is it, that the Beatles used that, far from original, half sliced boring image on their records? Was it celebrated?
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GasLightStreet
Perhaps I'm not looking at the correct issue of Brown Sugar, released April 16, 1971, but what I've seen doesn't have the original logo on it.
US: Tongue on the label - [www.45cat.com] , UK: Tongue on label and rear-cover - [www.45cat.com] , Germany: Tongue on label and front-cover - [www.45cat.com] .
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Perhaps I'm not looking at the correct issue of Brown Sugar, released April 16, 1971, but what I've seen doesn't have the original logo on it.
US: Tongue on the label - [www.45cat.com] , UK: Tongue on label and rear-cover - [www.45cat.com] , Germany: Tongue on label and front-cover - [www.45cat.com] .
The UK one doesn't look like the original ie UK LP record sleeve version.
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georgie48
Braun was forced (there was a lot of pressure on releasing Sticking Fingers as quick as possible, due to the then very popular "fashion" of bootlegging)
to create a suitable version, he remembered the Day Tripper image by Aldridge
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georgie48
If Aldridge's book would not have existed, for sure the "USA version" of the Stones logo would have looked differently.
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georgie48
How come that Aldridge never mentioned publically about any "rip off"? He could have made a fortune if that would have been the case
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CaptainCorella
John Pasche was an art student at (then) Brighton College of Art (now part of Brighton University). A few years later my partner was a student at the same College, and through her I met many fellow students and later staff, including someone who went off to be a Head of School at the Royal College of Art. (Aside: Next time I talk to that latter I'll ask her if she knew Pasche).
To me it's UTTERLY and TOTALLY inconceivable that anyone of my generation and background who was interested in (any combination of) art, The Beatles, cultural revolution, did not read and avidly study Aldridge's books. (Mine actually fell to pieces, and is now held in a slip case I made when I did a course at.... Brighton College of Art).
A lawyer would say that it is beyond reasonable doubt that Pasche was influenced by Aldridge. Any argument about the origin of the logo that ignores this aspect has no value.
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GasLightStreet
Perhaps I'm not looking at the correct issue of Brown Sugar, released April 16, 1971, but what I've seen doesn't have the original logo on it.
US: Tongue on the label - [www.45cat.com] , UK: Tongue on label and rear-cover - [www.45cat.com] , Germany: Tongue on label and front-cover - [www.45cat.com] .
The UK one doesn't look like the original ie UK LP record sleeve version.
It looks a lot like the rubber stamp/faxed version, in fact.
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georgie48
Mick often is credited for the logo (he asked Pasche to come up with something in connection with the goddess Kali), but Chess came up with the idea of making a logo without words (he found inspiration when passing a Shell gasoline station while in the Netherlands).
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GasLightStreet
The UK one doesn't look like the original ie UK LP record sleeve version.
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MisterDDDD
Both were ahead of their time no doubt in signing off on the nameless logo.
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MisterDDDD
Both were ahead of their time no doubt in signing off on the nameless logo.
The first Shell-logo was trademarked in 1900. And this "nameless" logo below was trademarked in June 1909:
[Automuseum-Stuttgart.de]
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Rockman
Dont know if it still holds the postion
but a few years back Stones Tongue
was listed as second to McDonald's
Golden Arches as the most recognizable logo in the world .....
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GasLightStreet
The UK one doesn't look like the original ie UK LP record sleeve version.
Brown-Sugar-Single: released 16-Apr-1971, Sticky-Fingers-Album: released 23-Apr-1971. "Early stages" regarding the T&L-logo, John Pasche had not completed the logo-design in time for the release according to Craig Braun (hence the re-drawing in US) - [www.Amoeba.com] , [iorr.org] . As georgie48 above said, due to time pressure and because the logo was 'all new' (the graphics departments had no experience with it) different versions were used.
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Topi
Next thing you know, maybe Alan Partridge turns out to be the original designer!
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GasLightStreet
The UK one doesn't look like the original ie UK LP record sleeve version.
Brown-Sugar-Single: released 16-Apr-1971, Sticky-Fingers-Album: released 23-Apr-1971. "Early stages" regarding the T&L-logo, John Pasche had not completed the logo-design in time for the release according to Craig Braun (hence the re-drawing in US) - [www.Amoeba.com] , [iorr.org] . As georgie48 above said, due to time pressure and because the logo was 'all new' (the graphics departments had no experience with it) different versions were used.
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MisterDDDD
Do the Fab Four still have any kind of fan forum going?
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Rockman
Is there anyway we can screw the story and have Dylan as the one who first come up with the Stones tongue ....
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Hairball
No question I love the Stones logo, and have many shirts, etc. with the iconic tongue, but it's the actual origins of the design that have always been questionable. Some have even mistakenly thought it was designed by Andy Warhol, but little did they know the origins can be traced directly back to the Beatles songbook. And while I've always loved the tongue logo, not sure if comparing it alongside brands such as Starbucks and McDonalds, etc. is really such a good thing. Being part of a bunch of massive corporate sellout logos isn't really a positive imo, and instead like to think the Stones are separate from that mass consumption machinery.