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Topi
Is this accurate? Did the tongue logo just "turn 50"?
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NilsHolgersson
Now thats a ripoff
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MisterDDDD
The article appears to be correct in that it was the "first public" usage of the logo.
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NilsHolgersson
Now thats a ripoff
No, John Pasche got later more money for the Tongue & Lips logo - [iorr.org] .
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Topi
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Is this accurate? Did the tongue logo just "turn 50"?
Of course it was designed earlier, but if the article is true, it was first used 50 years ago.
Maybe that's the reason the band changed their profile photo on social earlier this week...
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MisterDDDD
"On March 23, 2021, the Stones updated the profile pic of their Facebook page. The image? Their classic tongue and lips logo."
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MisterDDDD
"On March 23, 2021, the Stones updated the profile pic of their Facebook page. The image? Their classic tongue and lips logo."
Could be pro-active for the 50th Anniversary of 'Brown Sugar' and 'Sticky Fingers' in April 2021 as well, which includes also the Tongue & Lips logo.
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Hairball
As has been noted in various threads, the first real version appeared in The Beatles Songbook by Alan Aldridge, 1969. The pic below posted by Irix in this thread back in 2015: Beatles tongue
As for when the Stones first used their version, 1970 seems to be the answer, but also seems clear what actually inspired it - that being the Beatles Songbook from 1969.
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georgie48
Pasche had nothing to do with the Aldridge drawing, but Braun clearly did.
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MisterDDDD
Not to put too fine a point on it, but mouths and tongues and lips are pretty common. Almost everyone has one. As are their sizes. Bound to be hundreds of thousands of drawings of mouths with their tongues out.
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MisterDDDD
Wonder if it was this artwork the article pictures and credited, or another?
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MisterDDDD
Not to put too fine a point on it, but mouths and tongues and lips are pretty common. Almost everyone has one. As are their sizes. Bound to be hundreds of thousands of drawings of mouths with their tongues out.
But they have not the same contour/geometrics like Alan Aldridge vs. John Pasche:
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georgie48
Pasche had nothing to do with the Aldridge drawing, but Braun clearly did. He received the primitive Pasche version by b/w fax and verbal information from Marshall Chess (on colours f.i.) in late Autumn 1970, and that doesn't come even close to "the Beatles tongue". However, when Braun was forced (there was a lot of pressure on releasing Sticking Fingers as quick as possible, due to the then very popular "fashion" of bootlegging) to create a suitable version, he remembered the Day Tripper image by Aldridge and "added" that to the existing Pasche version. The result (also credit to DiMiceli and Velez) is the all famous "USA" version.
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Hairball
As has been noted in various threads, the first real version appeared in The Beatles Songbook by Alan Aldridge, 1969. The pic below posted by Irix in this thread back in 2015: Beatles tongue
As for when the Stones first used their version, 1970 seems to be the answer, but also seems clear what actually inspired it - that being the Beatles Songbook from 1969.
There is some truth in what you suggest, Hairball, but not time wise.
Pasche had nothing to do with the Aldridge drawing, but Braun clearly did. He received the primitive Pasche version by b/w fax and verbal information from Marshall Chess (on colours f.i.) in late Autumn 1970, and that doesn't come even close to "the Beatles tongue". However, when Braun was forced (there was a lot of pressure on releasing Sticking Fingers as quick as possible, due to the then very popular "fashion" of bootlegging) to create a suitable version, he remembered the Day Tripper image by Aldridge and "added" that to the existing Pasche version. The result (also credit to DiMiceli and Velez) is the all famous "USA" version.
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MisterDDDD
Wonder if it was this artwork the article pictures and credited, or another?
Looks like it's the one from the Interview-Video with John Pasche, Pos. 3:39 - [www.YouTube.com] , since John Pasche did in 2020 a similar 'Kali doodle detail':
[Gramho.com] , [iorr.org]
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Hairball
Given the massive popularity of the Beatles (even to this day), there's a high probability that even Pasche had seen the Aldridge version while browsing through the popular Beatles Songbook from '69.
They're too similar to think otherwise.
Whatever the case, thankful for the Beatles book and Aldridge, as without either the Stones design wouldn't come to exist as we know it.
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Hairball
And then there's the Ernie Cefalu story - not so sure about the details surrounding that controversy, but I do recall that evidently he claims the tongue was fully and solely his creation.