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First of all, thanks again for these wonderful new tracks Davie137 !

My first impressions about the sources:

Unknown Date & Place:
-Don't Mess With Cupid (Ronnie's Song)

19830400-19830801: Compass Point Studios & Hit Factory:
-Undercover Of The Night, new version, close to version VI on Nico's site

19930709-19931211 Windmill Lane Recording & Ron Woods House:
-You Got Me Rocking, new version with KR on vocals, close to version III on Nico's site
-Don't Want Somebody Else, new track

19970313-19970700 Oceanway Recording Studios:
-Might As Well Get Juiced, version II, new version
-Low Down, version II with KR on vocals, new version
-Saint Of Me, version I, new version

'Ronnie’s Song' is Otis Redding's Don't Mess With Cupid.

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My first impressions about the sources:

Unknown Date & Place:
-Don't Mess With Cupid (Ronnie's Song)

I'd say 1982. It matches track#1 (UC) which obviously comes from 82. And it matches "Ronnie's Idea" on Nico's site (imo).

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My first impressions about the sources:

Unknown Date & Place:
-Don't Mess With Cupid (Ronnie's Song)

I'd say 1982. It matches track#1 (UC) which obviously comes from 82. And it matches "Ronnie's Idea" on Nico's site (imo).

Thank you, I didn't have a clue and couldn't find anything about this nice track.



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well if the room was totally dark and no cameras



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My new favorite version of Might As Well Get Juiced!

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My first impressions about the sources:

Unknown Date & Place:
-Don't Mess With Cupid (Ronnie's Song)

I'd say 1982. It matches track#1 (UC) which obviously comes from 82. And it matches "Ronnie's Idea" on Nico's site (imo).

But it's a cover, not his 'idea'

Could be a solo track?

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My first impressions about the sources:

Unknown Date & Place:
-Don't Mess With Cupid (Ronnie's Song)

I'd say 1982. It matches track#1 (UC) which obviously comes from 82. And it matches "Ronnie's Idea" on Nico's site (imo).

But it's a cover, not his 'idea'

Could be a solo track?

Yes, you are right, Ronnie's Song or Ronnie's Idea is not the perfekt title for a cover song. Hope we can hear it completely one day, it seems to be faded out earlier. Anyway, a good tune and a nice set of songs.

Wow, indeed.

Thanks for incredible find!

jb

Talk about an Easter egg!

Listening to it now. Amazing! Thanks a lot!

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Only Keith on electric guitar on Saint Of Me. Interesting, since he's not on the album version.

I might be wrong (I've been in the past...) but the drums here are obviously looped and would Keef agree to lay guitar parts on such a thing?

Wouldn't he rather say sth like : "f&ck you Mick, I won't play along to sth that sounds like a EEG machine in a hospital room. Beep! Beep! Beep! Beep! I need swing! Bring in Charlie and I'll do sth for your song! F&ck you and your Rust Brothers!".

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Only Keith on electric guitar on Saint Of Me. Interesting, since he's not on the album version.

I might be wrong (I've been in the past...) but the drums here are obviously looped and would Keef agree to lay guitar parts on such a thing?

Wouldn't he rather say sth like : "f&ck you Mick, I won't play along to sth that sounds like a EEG machine in a hospital room. Beep! Beep! Beep! Beep! I need swing! Bring in Charlie and I'll do sth for your song! F&ck you and your Rust Brothers!".

Maybe Mick promised him that Charlie would add his stuff later, but didn't keep his promise

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Only Keith on electric guitar on Saint Of Me. Interesting, since he's not on the album version.

I might be wrong (I've been in the past...) but the drums here are obviously looped and would Keef agree to lay guitar parts on such a thing?

Wouldn't he rather say sth like : "f&ck you Mick, I won't play along to sth that sounds like a EEG machine in a hospital room. Beep! Beep! Beep! Beep! I need swing! Bring in Charlie and I'll do sth for your song! F&ck you and your Rust Brothers!".

Maybe Mick promised him that Charlie would add his stuff later, but didn't keep his promise

I still think it's strange that Waddy and Pierre are on the final version. As if Keith send "his" people to record on it, but refused to take part in it himself.

Thank you very much! These are untampered MP3's (to my ears anyway). No mastering , but no brickwalling either. Sounds great on my system this way.

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I still think it's strange that Waddy and Pierre are on the final version. As if Keith send "his" people to record on it, but refused to take part in it himself.

Very interesting!

And I wonder if the new version of "Saint..." is the one Mick described in a 1997 interview :
"I didn't know what I was doing sometimes when I was sitting in the Dust Brothers' studio in Silver Lake and it's just me and I've got absolutely nothing to start with and I'm going, I wonder if this is really such a good idea I'm doing this. And they got this little drum machine going, which is called an 808 which everyone uses, and it's just tinkling away in the back there".

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Only Keith on electric guitar on Saint Of Me. Interesting, since he's not on the album version.

I might be wrong (I've been in the past...) but the drums here are obviously looped and would Keef agree to lay guitar parts on such a thing?

Wouldn't he rather say sth like : "f&ck you Mick, I won't play along to sth that sounds like a EEG machine in a hospital room. Beep! Beep! Beep! Beep! I need swing! Bring in Charlie and I'll do sth for your song! F&ck you and your Rust Brothers!".

Maybe Mick promised him that Charlie would add his stuff later, but didn't keep his promise

I still think it's strange that Waddy and Pierre are on the final version. As if Keith send "his" people to record on it, but refused to take part in it himself.

Only Ronnie and Waddy + the acoustic guitar. Pierre on 'g,string' bass.



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So Waddy copied Keith's guitar parts for the final version ? How likely is that ? Besides if anyone can play the guitar and sound exactly like Keith it's...Waddy of course, draw your own conclusions ;-)

By the way that guitar part in SOM has to rank among the best (as in creative, distinctive, memorable) on a Stones record this side of 1974 (other than the B&B solos of course)...there again, draw your own conclusions !

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Waddy's playing is very different from Keith's playing here, especially during the chorus, where Keith is very sparse. Waddy is doing the 'sus'-stuff, but much more in a 80s kind of way.

The response to these tracks have been amazing, and thank you to everyone who has gave their thoughts and opinions on dates and versions etc

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The response to these tracks have been amazing, and thank you to everyone who has gave their thoughts and opinions on dates and versions etc

They are awesome. Thank you for sharing.

They are also turning up in a lot of the usual places:

[www.guitars101.com]

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The response to these tracks have been amazing, and thank you to everyone who has gave their thoughts and opinions on dates and versions etc

Deservedly so ... We're very grateful for the share!

there's so much out there that hasn't been shared, but so much that has ... those that have them fall into 1 of 2 categories: 1) I love that I have them and nobody else, and 2) I love that I have them and can't wait for everyone to hear them too!

Thankfully we're getting more like yourself lately w/ this, Fully Finished outtakes, the Forty Licks outtakes, etc. It is indeed a great time for Stones fans!!

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They were kindly uploaded here: [iorr.org]

Thank you Davie for these gems

Thank you Davie137! These are exciting times for outtakes! I did follow you on Instagram. Thanks, Chip

Really?

I can't get them to play in WavePad or convert to anything else. GRRR!

Thanks for posting Davie - this was a unexpected treat. I especially enjoyed
“Undercover” and “Saint of Me”. All are good though!

Finally 'Don't Mess With Cupid' seems to come from 1985, that's what I found as a new entry on Nico's Site. So this might be the correct sources of the seven tracks, kindly uploaded by Davie137:

19830400-19830801: Compass Point Studios & Hit Factory:
-Undercover Of The Night, new version, close to version VI on Nico's site

1985015-19850228 Pathé-Marconi Studios:
-Don't Mess With Cupid, new track

19930709-19931211 Windmill Lane Recording & Ron Woods House:
-You Got Me Rocking, new version with KR on vocals, close to version III on Nico's site
-Don't Want Somebody Else, new track

19970313-19970700 Oceanway Recording Studios:
-Might As Well Get Juiced, version II, new version
-Low Down, version II with KR on vocals, new version
-Saint Of Me, version I, new version