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In recent years, the Stones have released archival shows from '71 and '73. The general understanding seems to be that Mick calls the shots on many of these things, and that he isn't inclined to revisit history in much depth -- so I'm guessing he figures that "Ladies and Gentlemen" adequately represents '72, and that there's no need to supplement it.
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In recent years, the Stones have released archival shows from '71 and '73. The general understanding seems to be that Mick calls the shots on many of these things, and that he isn't inclined to revisit history in much depth -- so I'm guessing he figures that "Ladies and Gentlemen" adequately represents '72, and that there's no need to supplement it.
Think again!
There are multiple releases from tours. The 1981 tour has STILL LIFE, HAMPTON and LIVE AT LEEDS.
The 1975-76 tours have LOVE YOU LIVE and L.A. FRIDAY.
The BRIDGES tours have NO SECURITY, BREMEN and BUENOS AIRES.
1989 has FLASHPOINT, TOKYO and ATLANTIC CITY.
A 1972 show could happen. Just don't hold your breath.
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On their 1972 U.S. tour, the Stones were genuinely deserving of their "Greatest Rock and Roll Band in the World" moniker. They added virtuoso Mick Taylor a couple years previous, had recently released their two greatest albums (Sticky Fingers and Exile on Main Street), were joined by three top sidemen (Nicky Hopkins, Bobby Keys and Jim Price), hired the brilliant Stevie Wonder as their opening act, and their "S.T.P." Stones Touring Party created -- for better or worse -- the template for debauchery by numerous bands that followed.
Those of us who have listened to bootlegs from the tour, and especially those of you who were old enough and lucky enough to attend in person, can speak to the many brilliant performances that took place, especially as the tour progressed into July, culminating with tremendous shows in Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and New York.
And yet the lone commercially available document from this tour is the film and soundtrack "Ladies and Gentlemen: The Rolling Stones." While this release has its admirers, many of us would agree that the performances, recorded in Texas only halfway through the tour, were not among their best, and that the soundtrack sounds like sh#t (i.e., overly-compressed, lacking in separation and depth).
Despite this, we also know from the band's initial plan to release a live album from the tour, as well as from some of the higher quality bootlegs that emerged in years following, that some of the better shows from the tour were also professionally recorded.
In recent years, the Stones have released archival shows from '71 and '73. The general understanding seems to be that Mick calls the shots on many of these things, and that he isn't inclined to revisit history in much depth -- so I'm guessing he figures that "Ladies and Gentlemen" adequately represents '72, and that there's no need to supplement it.
...But oh what I would give to have an album of truly high fidelity recordings from some better performances on that tour. I think such an album would really be the crown jewel of the Stones' live canon, and would join the pantheon of great live albums overall (already including Ya Ya's).
And at the risk of overstating it, I believe the absence of such a release -- the Greatest Band on their Greatest Tour -- is downright tragic. Like if James Brown had never put out Live at the Apollo, or Bob Marley had never released the Live! album from his 1975 shows at the Lyceum, or Dylan had kept the "Royal Albert Hall" show in the vault forever, etc. It just drives me nutty at times, knowing that there might be quality multi-track reels from the Stones '72 tour in a warehouse somewhere, simply gathering dust and shedding oxides.
Anyway...
I'm curious to know if any IORR members in years past have ever tried to reach out to the Rolling Stones band/corporation/institution to ask about the possibility of a higher quality '72 live release? And/or I'm wondering if anyone in the IORR community has a relevant contact for such an inquiry?
Feel free to reply to me directly if you prefer, thanks.
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On their 1972 U.S. tour, the Stones were genuinely deserving of their "Greatest Rock and Roll Band in the World" moniker. They added virtuoso Mick Taylor a couple years previous, had recently released their two greatest albums (Sticky Fingers and Exile on Main Street), were joined by three top sidemen (Nicky Hopkins, Bobby Keys and Jim Price), hired the brilliant Stevie Wonder as their opening act, and their "S.T.P." Stones Touring Party created -- for better or worse -- the template for debauchery by numerous bands that followed.
Those of us who have listened to bootlegs from the tour, and especially those of you who were old enough and lucky enough to attend in person, can speak to the many brilliant performances that took place, especially as the tour progressed into July, culminating with tremendous shows in Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and New York.
And yet the lone commercially available document from this tour is the film and soundtrack "Ladies and Gentlemen: The Rolling Stones." While this release has its admirers, many of us would agree that the performances, recorded in Texas only halfway through the tour, were not among their best, and that the soundtrack sounds like sh#t (i.e., overly-compressed, lacking in separation and depth).
Despite this, we also know from the band's initial plan to release a live album from the tour, as well as from some of the higher quality bootlegs that emerged in years following, that some of the better shows from the tour were also professionally recorded.
In recent years, the Stones have released archival shows from '71 and '73. The general understanding seems to be that Mick calls the shots on many of these things, and that he isn't inclined to revisit history in much depth -- so I'm guessing he figures that "Ladies and Gentlemen" adequately represents '72, and that there's no need to supplement it.
...But oh what I would give to have an album of truly high fidelity recordings from some better performances on that tour. I think such an album would really be the crown jewel of the Stones' live canon, and would join the pantheon of great live albums overall (already including Ya Ya's).
And at the risk of overstating it, I believe the absence of such a release -- the Greatest Band on their Greatest Tour -- is downright tragic. Like if James Brown had never put out Live at the Apollo, or Bob Marley had never released the Live! album from his 1975 shows at the Lyceum, or Dylan had kept the "Royal Albert Hall" show in the vault forever, etc. It just drives me nutty at times, knowing that there might be quality multi-track reels from the Stones '72 tour in a warehouse somewhere, simply gathering dust and shedding oxides.
Anyway...
I'm curious to know if any IORR members in years past have ever tried to reach out to the Rolling Stones band/corporation/institution to ask about the possibility of a higher quality '72 live release? And/or I'm wondering if anyone in the IORR community has a relevant contact for such an inquiry?
Feel free to reply to me directly if you prefer, thanks.
I saw your post and I want to respond to it. At the point that I became a member and joined this forum, several Stones fans from another Stones board (now defunct) and myself who were big, big fans of Get Yer Ya Yas Out were always bemoaning the fact that Ya Yas was incomplete (this was a year or two before the 2009 pre-40th anniversary deluxe box set) and we all agreed that with the upcoming 40th anniversary of those MSG shows, wouldn't it be nice to have their greatest live album released with the extra missing tracks and music included with the supporting acts such as Mick Jagger had originally intended?
Well, I got a bug up my ass, and suggested that we work to craft a petition (that was subsequently sent to Abkco and the Stones organization) and then promote it on all the Stones boards that we could think of (including this site). This was a major undertaking on our part. We needed to enlist other folks who had Stones connections (for instance, one of the members of the now defunct Sister Morphine Stones board was friendly with Bill German and from what I understand contacted him to enlist him in our efforts). I spent months on this obsession of mine (and in the process took a lot of shit from many naysayers-even members from this site who shall remain nameless-who mocked me for my efforts and secretly did not want to see our petition succeed. But I was determined. I paid for out of my own pocket, adds that I placed in music trade magazines like Goldmine and other publications to publicize the petition.
Well low and behold, in 2009, Abkco released the 40th anniversary of Ya Yas with the unreleased songs from MSG and music from the supporting acts (just like we asked for in our petition). Now, I will never know if Abkco had planned to do this on their own, or maybe they saw the petition we sent and thought there would be enough demand for a re-release of Ya Yas in an expanded format.
I would like to believe that our efforts made a difference.
So my message to you ShootsWaterRats is if you want it bad enough-make it happen! I wont kid you. It will take work (I worked on the Ya Yas campaign for almost a year). However, if you can get enough people who feel strongly about the 72 tour to get behind it, it could pay off. Just my two cents.
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In recent years, the Stones have released archival shows from '71 and '73. The general understanding seems to be that Mick calls the shots on many of these things, and that he isn't inclined to revisit history in much depth -- so I'm guessing he figures that "Ladies and Gentlemen" adequately represents '72, and that there's no need to supplement it.
Think again!
There are multiple releases from tours. The 1981 tour has STILL LIFE, HAMPTON and LIVE AT LEEDS.
The 1975-76 tours have LOVE YOU LIVE and L.A. FRIDAY.
The BRIDGES tours have NO SECURITY, BREMEN and BUENOS AIRES.
1989 has FLASHPOINT, TOKYO and ATLANTIC CITY.
A 1972 show could happen. Just don't hold your breath.
Also San Jose 99.
The sound sucks.Compare the sound to officially released recordings from1969 ,1975,1978,1981,1989,1990, 2003, etc.,and it sounds crappyQuote
Mabru
There is a 72 release: what about the Ladies and Gentlemen cd and dvd ?
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Mabru
There is a 72 release: what about the Ladies and Gentlemen cd and dvd ?
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Collecting dust..
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dcba
Not really, cassette copies of the multitracks have been circulating since 1975... and unlike the recent flood of new studio material they're not mp3-sourced.