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Four Stone Walls
This is an odd thread really.
There is a difference between paedophilia and an underage person having consensual sex.
I expect that most of us here had some form of consensual sex before they were 18.
Rape is a non-consensual situation, isn't it?
I know nothing about paedophilia and don't want to either.
I do know thatJohn Phillips wrote a song called 14 about his daughter. Mick Jagger sung it. Keith plays on it. And Mick T I think, though in '76.
That is properly Stones- related.
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24FPS
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Obviously YOU could argue. And you go on and on, further from the topic. I'm going to drop out of this. You're tiresome, and haven't added anything to the original conversation.
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Rokyfan
(alleged) child molestation of an 8 (?) year-old
rock star sex with underage groupies
related?
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Four Stone Walls
This is an odd thread really.
There is a difference between paedophilia and an underage person having consensual sex.
I expect that most of us here had some form of consensual sex before they were 18.
Rape is a non-consensual situation, isn't it?
I know nothing about paedophilia and don't want to either.
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24FPS
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Obviously YOU could argue. And you go on and on, further from the topic. I'm going to drop out of this. You're tiresome, and haven't added anything to the original conversation.
However, before you drop out of this, 24FPS, as you started all this, you might come up with a response to two posts that I think have added something essential to the discussion.Quote
Rokyfan
(alleged) child molestation of an 8 (?) year-old
rock star sex with underage groupies
related?
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Four Stone Walls
This is an odd thread really.
There is a difference between paedophilia and an underage person having consensual sex.
I expect that most of us here had some form of consensual sex before they were 18.
Rape is a non-consensual situation, isn't it?
I know nothing about paedophilia and don't want to either.
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24FPS
Finished the four part HBO series on Woody Allen versus Mia Farrow. It appears he did molest their seven year old daughter. I can't watch his films now without his abhorrent behavior coloring my perception of him, and his work. Some of his work reveals his predilection for underage girls, not necessarily children. As often occurs with rich, privileged, celebrities, Allen got away with it, and no charges were ever filed, though the prosecutor found 'probable cause', but didn't want to put the child through more trauma.
On the subject of underage girls, Jimmy Page, Bowie, Mick and Bill, Elvis, Ted Nugent, and others, are all guilty of statutory rape. They all had affairs, or just sex, with girls under the legal age. Is it no hanging matter? No capital crime? Or just more entitled celebrities getting away with rape? And does it color your enjoyment of their music, or do you just accept that their creeps? Poor Gary Glitter.
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Taylor1
Until someone like Chong brings the accusation in a Court of Law where she is subject to criminal or civil penalties for lying and Mick would then have an opportunity to defend himself,no one should be saying it happened.I ignore it.Innocent till proven guilty.A great principle of Western Civilization
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MrEchoThe film presents one side of the story. But ...Quote
24FPS
Finished the four part HBO series on Woody Allen versus Mia Farrow. It appears he did molest their seven year old daughter. I can't watch his films now without his abhorrent behavior coloring my perception of him, and his work. Some of his work reveals his predilection for underage girls, not necessarily children. As often occurs with rich, privileged, celebrities, Allen got away with it, and no charges were ever filed, though the prosecutor found 'probable cause', but didn't want to put the child through more trauma.
On the subject of underage girls, Jimmy Page, Bowie, Mick and Bill, Elvis, Ted Nugent, and others, are all guilty of statutory rape. They all had affairs, or just sex, with girls under the legal age. Is it no hanging matter? No capital crime? Or just more entitled celebrities getting away with rape? And does it color your enjoyment of their music, or do you just accept that their creeps? Poor Gary Glitter.
In March 1993, a six-month investigation by the Child Sexual Abuse Clinic of Yale-New Haven Hospital concluded that the child had not been sexually abused by Allen.
In October 1993 the New York Child Welfare Agency of the State Department of Social Services closed a 14-month investigation and concluded there was no credible evidence of abuse or maltreatment, and the allegation was unfounded.
Woody Allen took a lie detector test. He passed the test.
Mia Farrow refused to take a lie detector test.
The doctor who first examined the child said the child had been brainwashed to tell a rehearsed story and that the child had not been molested by Allen.
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Witness
But is this about members of the Stones, Mick (even if Mick was known for his relationships to remarkable females) and, according to rumour at that time, especially Bill (not only as to Mandy), a new discovery for you then, 24FPS? For instance, I think I have known from very early in the '60s that girls literally threw themselves at them. When I gradually developed into fanship to the band, I was more or less aware that they were surrounded by quite lusty young females. more than willing to such acts, without there then being a thorough question about above or below legal age. Their security seemed to have looked out for girls to be invited. The decisive factor was the eager willingness of the girls to take part. Their lust made them old enough in their own eyes. I was led to consider that no concern of mine.
If I may express myself that way: Somehow you make out these widely different subjectmatters as only a difference in degree and not as a difference in kind. You use the term crime in much the same manner in both contexts. ( I don't know myself for certain what is established in the case of Allen, I have got to add. I stress that.)
And what do you want to do yourself, 24FPS? Sell all your Stones releases and stop listening to their music?
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24FPS
Sigh. Another one that assumes. Obviously hasn't read my most recent post, and is overly emotional. Just igniting conversation. Some people can't seem to handle a cool back and forth. Nothing is a new discovery for me when it comes to the Stones.(At least I haven't read anything new in quite a while). Yes, what Allen did was a crime. What Mick, Bill, Bowie, Elvis, and others did, was a crime. Yes, they are different levels. No one asked you to stop listening to the Stones. I won't. But I will stop watching Woody Allen films.
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Four Stone Walls
This is an odd thread really.
There is a difference between paedophilia and an underage person having consensual sex.
I expect that most of us here had some form of consensual sex before they were 18.
Rape is a non-consensual situation, isn't it?
I know nothing about paedophilia and don't want to either.
I do know thatJohn Phillips wrote a song called 14 about his daughter. Mick Jagger sung it. Keith plays on it. And Mick T I think, though in '76.
That is properly Stones- related.
Two minors engaging in a sexual act together is totally different.
An adult engaging in sexual conduct with a minor is considered to be rape. One party is underage, so, legally, it cannot be consensual.
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Rockman
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Stoneage
The accusations against Allen are most certainly true (not everyone of them though...). You don't need a documentary to realize that (I haven't watched it).
The signs were already there in "Manhattan". In Allen's case it's even worse because there is an oedipal twist to it also. Of course Allen denies everything.
What else can he do? Unnecessary to involve Jagger or Wyman in this though. That is another subject. Allen is a different ball game.
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Stoneage
The accusations against Allen are most certainly true (not everyone of them though...). You don't need a documentary to realize that (I haven't watched it).
The signs were already there in "Manhattan". In Allen's case it's even worse because there is an oedipal twist to it also. Of course Allen denies everything.
What else can he do? Unnecessary to involve Jagger or Wyman in this though. That is another subject. Allen is a different ball game.
Nobody knows what the truth is in Allen-Farrow case. Your argument about the signs already being there in "Manhattan" is not valid.
Or do you also read Oedipus the King by Sophocles as signs of Sophocles himself killing his father, marrying his mother and blinding himself?
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Stoneage
The accusations against Allen are most certainly true (not everyone of them though...). You don't need a documentary to realize that (I haven't watched it).
The signs were already there in "Manhattan". In Allen's case it's even worse because there is an oedipal twist to it also. Of course Allen denies everything.
What else can he do? Unnecessary to involve Jagger or Wyman in this though. That is another subject. Allen is a different ball game.
Nobody knows what the truth is in Allen-Farrow case. Your argument about the signs already being there in "Manhattan" is not valid.
Or do you also read Oedipus the King by Sophocles as signs of Sophocles killing his father, marrying his mother and blinding himself?
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Pietro
If you want to know what's really going on here and how Woody Allen is being railroaded, you can read this blog post by Moses Farrow, one of the couple's adopted children. He writes, "...given the incredibly inaccurate and misleading attacks on my father, Woody Allen, I feel that I can no longer stay silent as he continues to be condemned for a crime he did not commit."
By his account life was torture in the Farrow household and Farrow encouraged her children to hate and vilify Allen.
A SON SPEAKS OUT By Moses Farrow
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Stoneage
Of course legalities do not matter here. Allen can't win this even he wins in court. In the eyes of the public he is doomed anyway. Which I'm sure Allen is painfully aware of.
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wonderboy
Allen began a 'relationship' with the adopted daughter of his partner when she was in high school. That's enough for me. Any teacher or parent knows that's a taboo, a betrayal. Even more so when you take her background into consideration.
That was enough for me to conclude he's a @#$%& creep.