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DandelionPowderman
Compare the vocals to Old Habits Die Hard, especially the high notes. Sounds like the same era to me.

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TooTough
"Nobody´s Perfect" sounds like Mick´s
songwriting around Alfie.

Inspired by you guys, been listening closely to "Nobody's Perfect" but it is damn difficult to say anything specific of its origin. Had there not that note by Bill Wyman (in ROLLING WITH THE STONES) and the mention of it in a bootleg cover, I wouldn't have ever located it near to DIRTY WORK sessions. Yeah, for me it really sounds like this centurian Mick to me (phrasing, cliche-like a bit over-interpreting and empahasizing certain sounds and utterances), and melodicwise it really resembles ALFIE era. I can't recall Mick using that type of melody hooks so clearly earlier (although SHE'S THE BOSS already shows indication for that direction). Also lyrically it has a ALFIE 'mindset' (something we could also hear in some A BIGGER BANG things like "Biggest Mistake" and "Laugh I Nearly Died"). Soundwise probably there is a resemblance more to Mick's 80's solo albums (and probably GODDESS). That's not Charlie on drums for sure. Of the guitars I cannot really say - it has some typical Stones-like licks, which must be Ronnie.

Anyway, Mick really hasn't changed that much since the 80's, especially since SHE'S THE BOSS, so I think it could be very well, say, a left-over from SHE'S THE BOSS sessions Mick tried with the Stones during DIRTY WORK sessions (by the time Charlie was not around), which also fits to Bill's notes. History has shown that anomalies happen.

I like the tune, by the way. A nice, little compact thing. Well written, but probably lacking some distinguishness. Qualitywise equal to many things they - or he - have officially released. Not particularly better or worse.

- Doxa



Edited 6 time(s). Last edit at 2021-03-14 14:57 by Doxa.

Yep it has a 'theme' about it...like the Alfie songs. Seems like another song for a movie.
There's no Keith on this.
No Charlie.
Dubious about any Ronnie on this also (although some parts sound RW-like)

Still feel the vocals are 85...but happy to be wrong.

Interesting...

re: Its Only Rock N Roll...what a gem.....and who the f can't hear Bowie on this track?...obvious to me he's on it.

Are there any techies here who can help with a question? OK - you likely only need to be competent, which I’m not... I was able to load the tracks onto iTunes and burn CDs, but for some reason the tracks won’t load onto my iPod. I tried several times and there are no issues with any other tracks, so I’m baffled. My MacBook isn’t terribly old. Was hoping for a nice session with my earphones this afternoon...

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re: Its Only Rock N Roll...what a gem.....and who the f can't hear Bowie on this track?...obvious to me he's on it.

Only really obvious at the 4:07 mark...the rest of the time he's mostly overshadowed by Ronnie oddly enough...or not !

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you hear him with that voice from much earlier. He's on there. And its glorious.

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Inspired by you guys, been listening closely to "Nobody's Perfect" but it is damn difficult to say anything specific of its origin. Had there not that note by Bill Wyman (in ROLLING WITH THE STONES) and the mention of it in a bootleg cover, I wouldn't have ever located it near to DIRTY WORK sessions. Yeah, for me it really sounds like this centurian Mick to me (phrasing, cliche-like a bit over-interpreting and empahasizing certain sounds and utterances), and melodicwise it really resembles ALFIE era. I can't recall Mick using that type of melody hooks so clearly earlier (although SHE'S THE BOSS already shows indication for that direction). Also lyrically it has a ALFIE 'mindset' (something we could also hear in some A BIGGER BANG things like "Biggest Mistake" and "Laugh I Nearly Died"). Soundwise probably there is a resemblance more to Mick's 80's solo albums (and probably GODDESS). That's not Charlie on drums for sure. Of the guitars I cannot really say - it has some typical Stones-like licks, which must be Ronnie.

Anyway, Mick really hasn't changed that much since the 80's, especially since SHE'S THE BOSS, so I think it could be very well, say, a left-over from SHE'S THE BOSS sessions Mick tried with the Stones during DIRTY WORK sessions (by the time Charlie was not around), which also fits to Bill's notes. History has shown that anomalies happen.

I like the tune, by the way. A nice, little compact thing. Well written, but probably lacking some distinguishness. Qualitywise equal to many things they - or he - have officially released. Not particularly better or worse.

- Doxa

On first listening, I've pinpointed this track directly to Primitive Cool - due to the vocal delivery and the fact that any rough edges that would indicate any Stones involvement are missing. However, it's possible that this little thingy derives from the She's The Boss sessions, brought over to the Stones to see if it could be of use for Dirty Work, then after some tentative work (possibly including some licks from Ronnie) discarded, and then resurrected for Primitive Cool with finalized vocals by Mick, only to be discarded once again.

It was a short timespan anyway, and for that time period a certain crossover between solo and Stones work would represent not that of a huge anomality as it may appear now.

it is hard to go further back than primitive cool here though you are right is a very short timespan (tho time has changed and back in the eighties 3 years were much longer than now)
she's the boss stuff is much more layered than this straightforward and frankly tasteless pop rock, very hard to consider it from the same time than many tracks here from the eighties that sound so fresh and brilliant instead

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I was able to load the tracks onto iTunes and burn CDs, but for some reason the tracks won’t load onto my iPod.

The iPod doesn't support FLAC by default. If your iTunes supports FLAC-files (due to an extension), then you can simply convert the FLAC-files via iTunes to ALAC (Apple Lossless) and copy them onto your iPod.

Go in iTunes to Settings -> General Preferences -> Import settings and switch there to the Apple Lossless Encoder. Mark in iTunes the FLAC-files and go in the iTunes menu-bar to Files -> Convert. 'Create Apple Lossless' should be the option there.

Since you have a Macbook, you could also use the X Lossless Decoder (XLD) and convert the FLAC-files to ALAC for the iPod.



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I was able to load the tracks onto iTunes and burn CDs, but for some reason the tracks won’t load onto my iPod.

The iPod doesn't support FLAC by default. If your iTunes supports FLAC-files (due to an extension), then you can simply convert the FLAC-files via iTunes to ALAC (Apple Lossless) and copy them onto your iPod.

Since you have a Macbook, you could also use the X Lossless Decoder (XLD) and convert the FLAC-files to ALAC for the iPod.

Thanks Irix - I thought the files were in MP3 format. I’ll try the above, but fully expect a grand failure and buckets of tears. Pray for me...to find enough alcohol to get through this.

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I thought the files were in MP3 format.

Normally, the iPod plays MP3-files without issues. If iTunes can play it, the iPod can play it too (exception: 3rd-party solutions). Informations about the file-type can be found via right-click -> Get info -> File (or press Command-I, then choose File). Don't try it with force (or alcohol) ....

Some Toronto Gal we are ALL praying that you have enough booze to make it thru ...



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I thought the files were in MP3 format.

Normally, the iPod plays MP3-files without issues. If iTunes can play it, the iPod can play it too (exception: 3rd-party solutions). Informations about the file-type can be found via right-click -> Get info -> File (or press Command-I, then choose File). Don't try it with force (or alcohol) ....

Thanks so much. I’ll try that when I finish sulking after my initial - miserable - attempts. You may be saving a life here.

Who do you hear on the backing vocals on Sanctuary?

And am I the only one who loves this tune?

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Who do you hear on the backing vocals on Sanctuary?

And am I the only one who loves this tune?

Nope, you‘re not

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peoplewitheyes
Who do you hear on the backing vocals on Sanctuary?

And am I the only one who loves this tune?

Love it! Keith and Bernard?

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Yep it has a 'theme' about it...like the Alfie songs. Seems like another song for a movie.
There's no Keith on this.
No Charlie.
Dubious about any Ronnie on this also (although some parts sound RW-like)

Still feel the vocals are 85...but happy to be wrong.

Interesting...

Nobody’s Perfect is absolutely, unmistakably Charlie Watts on drums. Sounds like Mick playing rhythm guitar with some chorus-like effect. Ronnie doing the fills on a Strat. I would guess it’s Chuck playing Wurlitzer.

Such an eerie, raggedy vibe, and both Mick and Keith sound like they are fully on board with it

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Who do you hear on the backing vocals on Sanctuary?

And am I the only one who loves this tune?

Nope, you‘re not

you are not the only one at all
i hear mick keith and bernard on vocals
a really great funky sketch that screams to be finished and released

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The vocals on Nobody's Perfect are obviously from the 2000s. The guitars sound like 1977-79 to me.

You may have a lot of guitar strings but you don't have a clue about the music, you never did.

That's one of the most ridiculous comments I've ever seen here. Beyond ignorant.

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Some Toronto Gal we are ALL praying that you have enough booze to make it thru ...

Dude, get clued in!

Alcohol is NOT allowed at an exorcism.

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Doxa
Inspired by you guys, been listening closely to "Nobody's Perfect" but it is damn difficult to say anything specific of its origin. Had there not that note by Bill Wyman (in ROLLING WITH THE STONES) and the mention of it in a bootleg cover, I wouldn't have ever located it near to DIRTY WORK sessions. Yeah, for me it really sounds like this centurian Mick to me (phrasing, cliche-like a bit over-interpreting and empahasizing certain sounds and utterances), and melodicwise it really resembles ALFIE era. I can't recall Mick using that type of melody hooks so clearly earlier (although SHE'S THE BOSS already shows indication for that direction). Also lyrically it has a ALFIE 'mindset' (something we could also hear in some A BIGGER BANG things like "Biggest Mistake" and "Laugh I Nearly Died"). Soundwise probably there is a resemblance more to Mick's 80's solo albums (and probably GODDESS). That's not Charlie on drums for sure. Of the guitars I cannot really say - it has some typical Stones-like licks, which must be Ronnie.

Anyway, Mick really hasn't changed that much since the 80's, especially since SHE'S THE BOSS, so I think it could be very well, say, a left-over from SHE'S THE BOSS sessions Mick tried with the Stones during DIRTY WORK sessions (by the time Charlie was not around), which also fits to Bill's notes. History has shown that anomalies happen.

I like the tune, by the way. A nice, little compact thing. Well written, but probably lacking some distinguishness. Qualitywise equal to many things they - or he - have officially released. Not particularly better or worse.

- Doxa

On first listening, I've pinpointed this track directly to Primitive Cool - due to the vocal delivery and the fact that any rough edges that would indicate any Stones involvement are missing. However, it's possible that this little thingy derives from the She's The Boss sessions, brought over to the Stones to see if it could be of use for Dirty Work, then after some tentative work (possibly including some licks from Ronnie) discarded, and then resurrected for Primitive Cool with finalized vocals by Mick, only to be discarded once again.

It was a short timespan anyway, and for that time period a certain crossover between solo and Stones work would represent not that of a huge anomality as it may appear now.

It certainly has the sound of PRIMITIVE COOL vocally. There are nuances that he does in Kow Tow. Seeing that it appears to be from the July - August RPM sessions in 1985 and is clearly Charlie on drums and Ronnie's dangle playing, and knowing how DIRTY WORK turned out, it didn't fit at all.

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You may have a lot of guitar strings but you don't have a clue about the music, you never did.

Maybe it was supposed to be funny ? I'm still searching the link with the music.

Thanks Rockeeeee, got lots of alcohol but am finding it somewhat counterproductive.

Treacle, you’re not invited to my next Exorcism.

Irix, am still shut out, even after your help and calling in a few favours at this end. My Import preference is set at MP3. Maybe I’m doing the alcohol part wrong... didn’t Bobby just fill the bathtub? Where’s my rubber ducky?

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Bootleg factories are runnin hot .......

Good one Rockee. Maybe you can help me --- who's the guy up in the little doorway up above (and don't say goddess in the doorway!), what is he doing in the process of pressing the boots?


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It certainly has the sound of PRIMITIVE COOL vocally. There are nuances that he does in Kow Tow. Seeing that it appears to be from the July - August RPM sessions in 1985 and is clearly Charlie on drums and Ronnie's dangle playing, and knowing how DIRTY WORK turned out, it didn't fit at all.

Yes Mick's singing on "Kow Tow" or "Say You Will" immediately came to mind when I heard NP, listened to them too much back in the day!

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who's the guy up in the little doorway up above

That's Keef Tim .....
Cant ya see the scarf .... hhhHHHHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa



ROCKMAN

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Doxa
Inspired by you guys, been listening closely to "Nobody's Perfect" but it is damn difficult to say anything specific of its origin. Had there not that note by Bill Wyman (in ROLLING WITH THE STONES) and the mention of it in a bootleg cover, I wouldn't have ever located it near to DIRTY WORK sessions. Yeah, for me it really sounds like this centurian Mick to me (phrasing, cliche-like a bit over-interpreting and empahasizing certain sounds and utterances), and melodicwise it really resembles ALFIE era. I can't recall Mick using that type of melody hooks so clearly earlier (although SHE'S THE BOSS already shows indication for that direction). Also lyrically it has a ALFIE 'mindset' (something we could also hear in some A BIGGER BANG things like "Biggest Mistake" and "Laugh I Nearly Died"). Soundwise probably there is a resemblance more to Mick's 80's solo albums (and probably GODDESS). That's not Charlie on drums for sure. Of the guitars I cannot really say - it has some typical Stones-like licks, which must be Ronnie.

Anyway, Mick really hasn't changed that much since the 80's, especially since SHE'S THE BOSS, so I think it could be very well, say, a left-over from SHE'S THE BOSS sessions Mick tried with the Stones during DIRTY WORK sessions (by the time Charlie was not around), which also fits to Bill's notes. History has shown that anomalies happen.

I like the tune, by the way. A nice, little compact thing. Well written, but probably lacking some distinguishness. Qualitywise equal to many things they - or he - have officially released. Not particularly better or worse.

- Doxa

On first listening, I've pinpointed this track directly to Primitive Cool - due to the vocal delivery and the fact that any rough edges that would indicate any Stones involvement are missing. However, it's possible that this little thingy derives from the She's The Boss sessions, brought over to the Stones to see if it could be of use for Dirty Work, then after some tentative work (possibly including some licks from Ronnie) discarded, and then resurrected for Primitive Cool with finalized vocals by Mick, only to be discarded once again.

It was a short timespan anyway, and for that time period a certain crossover between solo and Stones work would represent not that of a huge anomality as it may appear now.

It certainly has the sound of PRIMITIVE COOL vocally. There are nuances that he does in Kow Tow. Seeing that it appears to be from the July - August RPM sessions in 1985 and is clearly Charlie on drums and Ronnie's dangle playing, and knowing how DIRTY WORK turned out, it didn't fit at all.

Keith is on it, too. Listen to the licks right before Ronnie’s solo (center/right). Not even Jimmy Rip would go to such lengths copying those licks

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who's the guy up in the little doorway up above

That's Keef Tim .....
Cant ya see the scarf .... hhhHHHHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Ahhh yes. I see that now!


plexi