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C'mon boys...some more work...chorus, backing vocals and a guitar solo. This song had a great potential!
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I think The Undercover Stones are at risk of being banned to oblivion
A Jagger's demo/idea? I don't think Keith plays the rhythm guitar. Probably Mick J. does. Mick's voice is similar to his stage intonations of 1981-82. Punkish and barking; I like it.
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Taylor1
Desperate Man, Part of the Night,Dream On,Built that Way, She’s Doing her Thing, SanctuaryareImO the best songs.If they emerged worked on with further lyrics and musical embellishments they’d be excellent releases. Some songs are very disappointing.For years I have wanted to hear Curtis Meets Smoky, since Nico has listed it along with Old Glory ,Toss the Coin, and several others as coming from the Let it Bleed sessions.But it has none of the majic of the songs from that period.Likewise ,Walk on Wendy from the Sticky Fingers era is just a jam with Mick yelling over it.Most of the rest of theneesongs might have potential but are not worthy of release.Ron’s guitar and bass is great on IORR
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Let me get this straight... they RELEASED Winning Ugly, Too Rude and Back to Zero, and left Deep Love in the can? Lilleywhite was not strong enough for them... after a few listens this track is one of the standouts for me.
How would you compare this to Bruce's "Tracks"?
Tracks, it isn’t. Bruce’s release WAS of finished tracks. This is not. Many are, many aren’t. And for me, a Bruce and Stones nutter, most of the songs on Tracks could have easily/should have easily been on Bruce’s albums from the era the songs came from. Few of The Stones songs on this dump could have replaced anything on the albums from The Stones of the eras they came from, apart from, to me Deep Love which should have been on Dirty Work. Nice collection, glad to have it. REALLY, REALLY glad to have it. But it’s NOT Tracks.
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paulspendel
Does anyone have a view on how/if this affects ABKCO?
I guess they don't have much to say/claim... There's only "She's Doing Her Thing", "Blood Red Wine" and "Curtis Meets Smokey" supposedly technically belonging to their 'realm'. Surely old Klein would have made a helluva shit storm for that... But now, I guess all they can think is 'thanks a lot guys, we could have beefed up a bit SATANIC MAJESTIES, BEGGARS BANQUET and LET IT BLEED deluxe editions with those cuts' (and there surely are some more in the can, as we know..)
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paulspendel
Does anyone have a view on how/if this affects ABKCO?
I guess they don't have much to say/claim... There's only "She's Doing Her Thing", "Blood Red Wine" and "Curtis Meets Smokey" supposedly technically belonging to their 'realm'. Surely old Klein would have made a helluva shit storm for that... But now, I guess all they can think is 'thanks a lot guys, we could have beefed up a bit SATANIC MAJESTIES, BEGGARS BANQUET and LET IT BLEED deluxe editions with those cuts' (and there surely are some more in the can, as we know..)
- Doxa
Thing is, because they remained officially unreleased for more than 50 years since being recorded those recordings ran out of copyright protection, in the EU ateast.
She's Doing Her Thing aka Title 15 might still be protected as it was officially released, minus vocals, on Exile deluxe.
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paulspendel
Does anyone have a view on how/if this affects ABKCO?
I guess they don't have much to say/claim... There's only "She's Doing Her Thing", "Blood Red Wine" and "Curtis Meets Smokey" supposedly technically belonging to their 'realm'. Surely old Klein would have made a helluva shit storm for that... But now, I guess all they can think is 'thanks a lot guys, we could have beefed up a bit SATANIC MAJESTIES, BEGGARS BANQUET and LET IT BLEED deluxe editions with those cuts' (and there surely are some more in the can, as we know..)
- Doxa
Thing is, because they remained officially unreleased for more than 50 years since being recorded those recordings ran out of copyright protection, in the EU ateast.
Edit: I looked in to this law a bit recently, apparently the artists can renew or regain copyright, but not the record company. Kinda the main point of that law, to stop labels forever denying musicians the chance to make money from unreleased recordings. Ie, the label has 50 years to do something with a recording they own and if they don't they lose copyright for them after 50 years.
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Lossy.
Lossless.
Flac.
MP3.
Christ, I remember my first bootlegs.
THESE are STUNNING quality compared to that crap that I used to buy! And yet, still love.
I just don’t get it... this is WONDERFUL quality versus what we used to accept.
Burned a CD of ALL these songs today. Played it loud in the car all afternoon. Just LOVELY. Yes, some songs are better than others, some I love, some not so much. LIKE a REAL Stones album, in fact.
It’s JUST MAGNIFICENT compared to my original vinyl and then CD of Gravestones and Rape of the Vaults. And to my original Dirty Work Outtakes CD that I loved the music of, but was just about unlistenable.
Just don’t get this “analysis” of the recordings, the bitrates, the highs and lows, rather than the ENJOYMENT OF THE ACTUAL MUSIC.
We’ve waited, in truth, the best part of 2 decades for a meaningful batch of new Stones music, some of which we know and have, much of which we don’t. Just don’t get it....
My thoughts exactly was going to post something similar
It’s like being given a million dollars and complaining it’s in small bills.
I’m loving it
After the crap year we have all had this is brilliant
They actually made a best of Tracks themselves that you may have heard of ("18 Tracks") and it includes two that weren't on the actual box set, one of which (The Fever) is my all-time favorite Boss song now, which I know is big talk, but I really think it is....or at the very least Top 3.Quote
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Let me get this straight... they RELEASED Winning Ugly, Too Rude and Back to Zero, and left Deep Love in the can? Lilleywhite was not strong enough for them... after a few listens this track is one of the standouts for me.
How would you compare this to Bruce's "Tracks"?
Tracks, it isn’t. Bruce’s release WAS of finished tracks. This is not. Many are, many aren’t. And for me, a Bruce and Stones nutter, most of the songs on Tracks could have easily/should have easily been on Bruce’s albums from the era the songs came from. Few of The Stones songs on this dump could have replaced anything on the albums from The Stones of the eras they came from, apart from, to me Deep Love which should have been on Dirty Work. Nice collection, glad to have it. REALLY, REALLY glad to have it. But it’s NOT Tracks.
Yes, the stuff from The River sessions would have made another fine album. I made a best of Tracks CD and it stands up with the classic stuff.
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bitusa2012
Lossy.
Lossless.
Flac.
MP3.
Christ, I remember my first bootlegs.
THESE are STUNNING quality compared to that crap that I used to buy! And yet, still love.
I just don’t get it... this is WONDERFUL quality versus what we used to accept.
Burned a CD of ALL these songs today. Played it loud in the car all afternoon. Just LOVELY. Yes, some songs are better than others, some I love, some not so much. LIKE a REAL Stones album, in fact.
It’s JUST MAGNIFICENT compared to my original vinyl and then CD of Gravestones and Rape of the Vaults. And to my original Dirty Work Outtakes CD that I loved the music of, but was just about unlistenable.
Just don’t get this “analysis” of the recordings, the bitrates, the highs and lows, rather than the ENJOYMENT OF THE ACTUAL MUSIC.
We’ve waited, in truth, the best part of 2 decades for a meaningful batch of new Stones music, some of which we know and have, much of which we don’t. Just don’t get it....
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caschimann
Any chance to download the files?
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caschimann
The we transfer of march 3 is gone.
Any chance to download the files?
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bitusa2012
Lossy.
Lossless.
Flac.
MP3.
Christ, I remember my first bootlegs.
THESE are STUNNING quality compared to that crap that I used to buy! And yet, still love.
I just don’t get it... this is WONDERFUL quality versus what we used to accept.
Burned a CD of ALL these songs today. Played it loud in the car all afternoon. Just LOVELY. Yes, some songs are better than others, some I love, some not so much. LIKE a REAL Stones album, in fact.
It’s JUST MAGNIFICENT compared to my original vinyl and then CD of Gravestones and Rape of the Vaults. And to my original Dirty Work Outtakes CD that I loved the music of, but was just about unlistenable.
Just don’t get this “analysis” of the recordings, the bitrates, the highs and lows, rather than the ENJOYMENT OF THE ACTUAL MUSIC.
We’ve waited, in truth, the best part of 2 decades for a meaningful batch of new Stones music, some of which we know and have, much of which we don’t. Just don’t get it....
I'm agree with you.
But as I said on the BST forum, paying 50 euros for a digipack with 3 CDs engraved from mp3 source it's not OK.
I've received the CDs from Italy and I feel f****d this afternoon!
Mp3 source is nice for free download.
Mp3 source engraved on silver CDs are pure crap.
So save your money, download the files but don't give money to the bootleggers and the eBay sellers for CDs with lossy files.
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floodonthepageThey actually made a best of Tracks themselves that you may have heard of ("18 Tracks") and it includes two that weren't on the actual box set, one of which (The Fever) is my all-time favorite Boss song now, which I know is big talk, but I really think it is....or at the very least Top 3.Quote
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Let me get this straight... they RELEASED Winning Ugly, Too Rude and Back to Zero, and left Deep Love in the can? Lilleywhite was not strong enough for them... after a few listens this track is one of the standouts for me.
How would you compare this to Bruce's "Tracks"?
Tracks, it isn’t. Bruce’s release WAS of finished tracks. This is not. Many are, many aren’t. And for me, a Bruce and Stones nutter, most of the songs on Tracks could have easily/should have easily been on Bruce’s albums from the era the songs came from. Few of The Stones songs on this dump could have replaced anything on the albums from The Stones of the eras they came from, apart from, to me Deep Love which should have been on Dirty Work. Nice collection, glad to have it. REALLY, REALLY glad to have it. But it’s NOT Tracks.
Yes, the stuff from The River sessions would have made another fine album. I made a best of Tracks CD and it stands up with the classic stuff.
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The we transfer of march 3 is gone.
Any chance to download the files?
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agureggae07
How long will it take for THE NEXT outtakes BOX of the Japanese fan club to appear !?
Someone on this site earlier said it was Ron initially and he was then erased and then Weeks was overdubbed later.Quote
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Taylor1
Desperate Man, Part of the Night,Dream On,Built that Way, She’s Doing her Thing, SanctuaryareImO the best songs.If they emerged worked on with further lyrics and musical embellishments they’d be excellent releases. Some songs are very disappointing.For years I have wanted to hear Curtis Meets Smoky, since Nico has listed it along with Old Glory ,Toss the Coin, and several others as coming from the Let it Bleed sessions.But it has none of the majic of the songs from that period.Likewise ,Walk on Wendy from the Sticky Fingers era is just a jam with Mick yelling over it.Most of the rest of theneesongs might have potential but are not worthy of release.Ron’s guitar and bass is great on IORR
Haven't listen that closely to it yet, but you are saying that this is a different bass take than Willie Weeks's take?
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Just wondering, did you get the original set, with printed cds and postcards and stuff? And had you not known the source for them was probably mp3? Because I am a bit puzzled by your response. I think this is the only source available at this point, or at least the best source. Most everyone who buys this will be buying it for the artifact, not the music, as the music is freely available here as downloads. I guess you expected upgraded source for the cds?
I preordered from the second run of the original set (original as in what was originally posted here as the cd source) but I do not expect major improvements over the flac files derived from these cds. I think that is more realistic expectation than you may have held.
Or did you receive some totally bogus knockoffs of the originals?
Just curious, also curious what you plan to do with your set now? If you want to sell it, i would just put it up on ebay again and sell it off, they are selling like hotcakes so should not be a problem to pass it on.
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What will we have first: the new album, or the new Japanese fan club leaks?
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jbwelda
Just wondering, did you get the original set, with printed cds and postcards and stuff? And had you not known the source for them was probably mp3? Because I am a bit puzzled by your response. I think this is the only source available at this point, or at least the best source. Most everyone who buys this will be buying it for the artifact, not the music, as the music is freely available here as downloads. I guess you expected upgraded source for the cds?
I preordered from the second run of the original set (original as in what was originally posted here as the cd source) but I do not expect major improvements over the flac files derived from these cds. I think that is more realistic expectation than you may have held.
Or did you receive some totally bogus knockoffs of the originals?
Just curious, also curious what you plan to do with your set now? If you want to sell it, i would just put it up on ebay again and sell it off, they are selling like hotcakes so should not be a problem to pass it on.
jb
Yes I received the CDs today (from the eBay italian seller)
Nice job : thick glossy digipack, postcards, printed CDs in black sleeves...
But the source is lossy from mp3. And with a low bitrate, 128 kbps.
This is a rip from my silver CD, CD3 track#07 :
This is the mp3 320 kbps file downloaded on Rocks Off :
Exactly the same stuff.
Encoded in CD format (WAV) or in 320 kbps mp3, we can see that the source is a 128 kbps mp3 (no frequencies over 16 kHz).
So the bootleggers have not the lossless files, only mp3 files in their hands!