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jbwelda
OK I don't want to argue with you, and I respect your opinion, but I think perhaps you are forgetting that we are talking about an outfit that has been deeply dysfunctional for a very long time, even back from the sixties. So what seems logical to us may in fact be very anti-logical given the actual environment these guys were operating within. That to me indicates there is a good chance that even though some of these shows were recorded with an eye to releasing them, it was a slip shod process and they well could have been misplaced, or stolen, over the years, or stored in less than ideal conditions, leading to unretrievable or compromised recordings.
But I hope I am wrong; it just seems that history would be on my side, that along with the dearth of really significant live recording releases since they "opened" the vault.
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jbwelda
OK I don't want to argue with you, and I respect your opinion, but I think perhaps you are forgetting that we are talking about an outfit that has been deeply dysfunctional for a very long time, even back from the sixties. So what seems logical to us may in fact be very anti-logical given the actual environment these guys were operating within. That to me indicates there is a good chance that even though some of these shows were recorded with an eye to releasing them, it was a slip shod process and they well could have been misplaced, or stolen, over the years, or stored in less than ideal conditions, leading to unretrievable or compromised recordings.
But I hope I am wrong; it just seems that history would be on my side, that along with the dearth of really significant live recording releases since they "opened" the vault.
jb
I think of them finding the Rock and Roll Circus video in where, a barn? God knows where some stuff is. Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
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wonderboy
Tour rehearsals, studio jams, basic tracks, chit chat in the studio (Wot now?) -- stuff only we would be interested in.
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jbwelda
Most of the "other bands" from that day want to absolutely distance themselves from the event as much as possible. That is for sure and for real. It was a debacle none of them are proud of, least of all the hosts, the Grateful Dead. The only ones with any interest in it at all would be the Stones and they have pretty much distanced themselves from that situation as much as they can.
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Why putout something from 1972tour? Because it maybe their greatest,and definitely one of their best.That tour is musically different from Europe 1973.Unlike the 1973 tour it had Hopkinsand the Price/Keys duo.The songs were not the same.The playing was different.The guitars sounded different.And it was a tour which took America by storm,much more than1969.In the fall of1969,the Beatles were still around,at least publically.In 1972,the Stones stood a top of the rock music world.Television,most,newspapers,magazines were all covering the tour.From Terry Southern to Truman Capote.It was the first mega-tour.First tour where the Hollywood and social elite wanted to see the band.And they were electrifying.Ask anyone who saw them live on that tourQuote
rbk
Who is going to buy all of this "vault" stuff? The primary market for Stones material is men in their sixties and seventies, perhaps some in their late fifties but a significant minority I'd imagine. Whatever is left is redundant for the most part. For example "Brussels Affair" is an exceptional recording exemplifying the '72-'73 period beautifully. Why put out "Philly Special" or whatever, when it would be essentially the same line up (Billy Preston notwithstanding) playing much the same set? At this point every major tour the Stones have done (with the exception of Europe 1970 which WOULD be interesting) is represented by a quality, major release. As the coming years and even months go by, the feasibility of a viable release of second tier and repeat stuff lessens.
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jbwelda
... I think perhaps you are forgetting that we are talking about an outfit that has been deeply dysfunctional for a very long time, even back from the sixties. So what seems logical to us may in fact be very anti-logical given the actual environment these guys were operating within. ...
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jbwelda
OK I don't want to argue with you, and I respect your opinion, but I think perhaps you are forgetting that we are talking about an outfit that has been deeply dysfunctional for a very long time, even back from the sixties. So what seems logical to us may in fact be very anti-logical given the actual environment these guys were operating within. That to me indicates there is a good chance that even though some of these shows were recorded with an eye to releasing them, it was a slip shod process and they well could have been misplaced, or stolen, over the years, or stored in less than ideal conditions, leading to unretrievable or compromised recordings.
But I hope I am wrong; it just seems that history would be on my side, that along with the dearth of really significant live recording releases since they "opened" the vault.
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DandelionPowderman
Many of those duets appeared on Honk. I doubt they'll do that again.
True - which makes me more convinced that this was a projected live album idea that just didnt quite come to fruition, but they were able to find an alternative release where they were able to put out some of the tracks.
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rbk
Who is going to buy all of this "vault" stuff?
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GasLightStreet
The one thing I want they won't release: the plethora of unreleased studio recordings. What they have released with EOMS, SG and GHS is nice, some are great, but it's hardly anything. It doesn't matter if they're not finished.
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rbk
Who is going to buy all of this "vault" stuff?
I have been buying 'vault' stuff from artists long gone since I was 15. (I'm 52 now.)
I'm still buying - and looking forward to - archive releases from Louis Armstrong, Willy Dixon, Erroll Garner, Johnny Burnette... just like many-many others do; and will continue doing so till I drop stone cold dead I imagine.
And I bet you my record collection that people long after I'm gone will buy that very same material from those very same (type of) artists... no matter what age they are at that moment.
It's called cultural legacy; a thing that sometimes happens when one has a crack at being 'artistic'.
(See also: Beethoven & Mozart's back catalogue; the Sistine Chapel; the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam; ... stuff like that.)
All that market shizzle is just a side-effect you know. Nothing réally important.
To get back to the original question (about it being empty or not): I have, for long now, been under the impression that the réally worthwile 'Vault' stuff is safely kept for when the Stones are irrevocably gone for good. (Hard to imagine; but yes, it will happen...)
Sort of like an elaborate 'pension plan' for 2 or 3 next generations of "Jagger"- and "Richards"-'s.
Could be wrong, obviously; just my take on it.
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GasLightStreet
The one thing I want they won't release: the plethora of unreleased studio recordings. What they have released with EOMS, SG and GHS is nice, some are great, but it's hardly anything. It doesn't matter if they're not finished.
Well, it doesn't matter to you. If it matters to the artist(s) concerned is a different thing!
I clearly remember a rehearsal evening with my band when we developed a new song on the spot out of a spontaneous jam and did a quick recording from our mixing desk that came out pretty well - speaking of sound quality and actual performance. Only thing was that due to the quick and spontaneous creation of the song, of course I had no finished lyrics, so I used words that sounded well, but were no "lyrics" that made actual sense. A couple of cassettes were quickly copied for band members to listen to at home and think about possible improvements. Some days later, a local fan came up to me and said: "Hey, I really like your new single, good stuff! But what are you singing about?" I replied: "New single? What...new single?" - only to learn that our drummer had nothing better to do than taking the demo to a local music club after the rehearsal and having it played on the PA! I could have killed our drummer! As the actual artist, I did not want unfinished stuff with nonsense lyrics made available to the public back then and I don't want it even now, decades later.
I'm sure Mick's hesitation to release unfinished stuff with mumbled non-sense lyrics that were created on the spot (no matter how interesting the actual music sounds) derives from the same mindframe.
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Taylor1
I was reading about a review of the 1972 Rubber Bowl concert and the author said the entire concert was shown on closed circuit screens while the concert was occurring.Does that mean there was a video recording of the show.
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Father Ted
I'm sure they've already released one concert which was originally filmed for the venue's CCTV system - it may have been the LA Forum show from 1975?
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Father Ted
Yep it's been suggested before that they're keeping back the good stuff for their retirement fund. If you slowly drip-feed this stuff out over multiple generations, you get a nice little cash-cow for your descendants too.
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Irix
Looks like the whole Echoplex Club-Show (LA, 27-Apr-2013) was Pro-Shot filmed:
Start Me Up - [www.YouTube.com]
You Got Me Rocking / Respectable / She's So Cold - [www.YouTube.com]