How did they possibly overlook this amazing track?
First of all I thought this was a cover, but I love the jam, I love the melody I love the changes rhythm, and I love the lyrics, what’s not to love about this superb piece… Except why why why have they not released it?

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How did they possibly overlook this amazing track?
First of all I thought this was a cover, but I love the jam, I love the melody I love the changes rhythm, and I love the lyrics, what’s not to love about this superb piece… Except why why why have they not released it?

Maybe for a IORR Deluxe-release?

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Maybe for a IORR Deluxe-release?

I think too that they preserved some gems for future use. Universal Music needs something interesting to sell every future Xmas - like they already do with the Beatles.

Hard Women sounds a little bit like it. Personally, I like Separately, Traveling Man, Blood Red Wine, Hillside Blues, Its Funny, In the Middle of the Sea, and others better. And I’m sure there are other unpublished stuff and live concerts and jams in their vaults .What I’d like to see on the internet is like what the Beatles have, isolated anddeconstructed tracks. I have software where I can remove vocals, keyboards drums and it’s interesting to hear the songs that way. Like on Micks Goddess in a Doorway I sometimes just listen to the music which is really good and remove some of the vocals



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Good song, and, yes, "Hard Woman" sounds similar.

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.......I sometimes just listen to the music which is really good and remove some of the vocals

I love this song (Fast Talking, Slow Walking), so underrated.


For the longest time YT had 2 Stones channels that had 250+ & 120 RS instrumentals playlists...a lot of studio stuff, but also a fair amount of unreleased. They're not up today, however I'll look at my YT subscriptions & see which ones are "inactive", maybe they'll repost at a later date.


In the meantime:

[www.youtube.com]

[www.youtube.com]



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How did they possibly overlook this amazing track?
First of all I thought this was a cover, but I love the jam, I love the melody I love the changes rhythm, and I love the lyrics, what’s not to love about this superb piece… Except why why why have they not released it?

Its a pleasant listen, but calling it 'amazing' is a bit of a stretch.



They might still release it though - it's an IORR outtake as far as I'm aware.

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How did they possibly overlook this amazing track?
First of all I thought this was a cover, but I love the jam, I love the melody I love the changes rhythm, and I love the lyrics, what’s not to love about this superb piece… Except why why why have they not released it?

Its a pleasant listen, but calling it 'amazing' is a bit of a stretch.



They might still release it though - it's an IORR outtake as far as I'm aware.

Quite possibly being considered for an IORR package. The circulating track sounds like a sort-of demo. Would they consider releasing it as such or would they want to give it more work. Perhaps there is a more finished version in the vaults.



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Will someone please post the lyrics to this gem? Please! I've looked several times & couldn't ever find them.



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I’m going with future release. I’ve thinking the Stones are saving it for a deluxe box set.

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Will someone please post the lyrics to this gem? Please! I've looked several times & couldn't ever find them.

Please, can anyone copy/paste the lyrics? I haven't found them anywhere.


Thanks in advance.

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How did they possibly overlook this amazing track?
First of all I thought this was a cover, but I love the jam, I love the melody I love the changes rhythm, and I love the lyrics, what’s not to love about this superb piece… Except why why why have they not released it?

Probably because it sounds too much like Let It Loose meets Bennie And The Jets. It has a few little EXILE sounding bits in it in places. No telling if they noticed that or were capable of at the time or cared or maybe they did it on purpose or maybe it's just part of the style of writing back then. I like it but I don't, it doesn't catch anything, really, it just meanders a bit, like a wave runner stuck on idle going in a circle.

No exact way to know when and which came first but they also recorded If You Really Want To Be My Friend during the same session, which is a much more interesting song, so having two songs about friends on IT'S ONLY ROCK'N'ROLL might've been a bit too much. If they do a deluxe reissue of it it seems reasonable that it would be included, especially since it's considerably better than a majority of what made the SOME GIRLS bonus album.

Since it's not posted and perhaps there are some out there that haven't heard it or would like to...

I really like the new version. I've been listening to this version and the old bootleg version carefully and I've noticed something funny : for me, from 3:57 to 4:12, the vocals are the original ones, not the new ones. I can even hear a hiss.

Do you agree ?

The bit when Mick sings "I've got the dearest friends of all" reminds me of Mott The Hoople. Probably one of the ballads from their Mott album. I'm sure I've heard Ian Hunter's voice singing the same melody.

Or maybe I'm imagining it.....

Not sure I agree that If You Really Want to be My Friend is a ‘much more interesting song’. To me IYRWTBMF always sounds too plush and rather fake. Plus the main sentiment seems to be ‘if this is gonna work, you’ll have to let me shag around’ which is not exactly a winning argument. Much prefer ‘Fast Walking’…

The lyrics of the released version are available now but I'd love to have the ones of the "classic" outtake. I've started to transcribe them, but I cannot understand all the words. Here is what I understand, can you help me to complete it? Thanks!

Update : thanks JMARKO !

[00:12]
I'm a fast-talking,
slow-walking,
hard-headed man
when I'm on.

[00:24]
I'm a low-shooting,
hard-losing,
hard pressing (?) man
on the phone.

[00:38]
Ain't it hard to find
a guide in this life at all?
I'm on call.
I'm feeling lucky
‘cos I've got the dearest friends of all.

[01:05]
I'm a hard pressing,
slow-messing
Oh baby,
When I'm on the phone.

[01:18]
I'm a line tooting,
bend tooting,
Oh baby, I'm crying (?) alone.

[01:32]
Ain't it hard to find
A guide through this life at all?
I'm on call.
And I'm feeling lucky
‘cos I've got the dearest friends of all.

[01:56]
I'm (?) down me.
I feel it when I walk (?).
Every drop is healing me,
Let it fall, let it fall.

[02:20]
Yeah, I'm a (?) student,
bad-losing,
hard-headed,
(?) man (?)

Whoa, yeah.

[02:34]
I'm a high-stepping,
up-getting,
go-getting boy
when I'm on.

[02:46]
Sure is hard to find
a friend in this life at all.
‘Cos I'm feeling lucky
‘cos I got the dearest friend of all.

[03:34]
I'm a high-stepping,
low-gettning,
go-getting,
I don't give a shit at all.

[03:47]
I'm a sharp-dressing,
Ill-messing,
baby, won't you call me on the telephone?
Oh.

[03:59]
Ain't it hard to find
a guide through this world at all?
That ain't (?)
I'm feeling lucky
‘cos I've found the dearest friend of all.

[4:40]
Mumbling…

[06:04]
One more time.
Fast-shooting,
ass-whooping
(?)

[06:12]
Because I'm feeling lucky
‘cos I've found the dearest friend of all.
Yes, I have. Oh, yes, I have.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.



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Sounds like a song Freddy Mercury could have done.....

"No dope smoking no beer sold after 12 o'clock"

Mercury .... doubt he woulda gotta his teeth around it ..



ROCKMAN

1:18 I believe the first line is

“I’m a line tootin’”

1:56 first line I believe he references rain.

This would make the rest of the verse make sense.

I can't stand this song. It's as horrible as Drift Away. Very understandable they didn't release these ones, at the time.

Do we have a consensus on the lineup from the original sessions? I understand Wood overdubbed a guitar 50 years later, but I'm specifically talking about the one featured on the "fully finished outtakes".

I hear:

Jagger - vocals
Richards - acoustic
Taylor - electric guitar (I've gone back and forth between Taylor/Richards here, but the perfect bends and vibrato in the solo lend to Taylor)
Wyman - bass
Watts - drums

Preston - piano

Although it has a very Goats Head vibe, I believe this version is from the IORR sessions. I'm guessing there is one in the vaults from 1972. Or did this version originate in Miami and it was worked on a few years later?


Side note: I feel like this could have originated with Jagger behind the piano.



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Although it has a very Goats Head vibe, I believe this version is from the IORR sessions. I'm guessing there is one in the vaults from 1972. Or did this version originate in Miami and it was worked on a few years later?

The Session List on [StonesSessions.com] lists the recordings:

- 1971 Nellcote, France / Sunset Sound Studios, Los Angeles
- 1972 Dynamic Sounds, Kingston, Jamaica - (Original Take 6:37, Overdubbed Take 6:34)
- 1973 Musicland Studios, Munich, Germany - (Original Take 6:37, Overdubbed Take 6:34, Later Reworked Take 5:54)
- 2021 RAK Studios, London, England - (5:40, Unknown new tracks & overdubs for TATTOO YOU retrospective)

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Although it has a very Goats Head vibe, I believe this version is from the IORR sessions. I'm guessing there is one in the vaults from 1972. Or did this version originate in Miami and it was worked on a few years later?

The Session List on [StonesSessions.com] lists the recordings:

- 1971 Nellcote, France / Sunset Sound Studios, Los Angeles
- 1972 Dynamic Sounds, Kingston, Jamaica - (Original Take 6:37, Overdubbed Take 6:34)
- 1973 Musicland Studios, Munich, Germany - (Original Take 6:37, Overdubbed Take 6:34, Later Reworked Take 5:54)
- 2021 RAK Studios, London, England - (5:40, Unknown new tracks & overdubs for TATTOO YOU retrospective)

This is interesting. I'm guessing the 1971 version is entirely different and there is no Miami version, but in fact a Jamaica version that was carried into the IORR sessions in Germany?

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I'm guessing the 1971 version is entirely different and there is no Miami version, but in fact a Jamaica version that was carried into the IORR sessions in Germany?

The 1971 and 1972 versions can be found on the Mayflower MF-115/116 bootleg - [www.dbboots.com] , [iorr.org] . More 'Fast Talking Slow Walking' bootlegs: [www.dbboots.com] .

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I'm guessing the 1971 version is entirely different and there is no Miami version, but in fact a Jamaica version that was carried into the IORR sessions in Germany?

The 1971 and 1972 versions can be found on the Mayflower MF-115/116 bootleg - [www.dbboots.com] , [iorr.org] . More 'Fast Talking Slow Walking' bootlegs: [www.dbboots.com] .

I guess I don't hear much of a difference in performance, just sonic quality

................WOW!..........watched the lyric version @stonesdata on you-tube!


release it the way is...........

.IMO....place it as the last track on a (similar style) album, and the true fans will appreciate it without any changes. Stop adding bs that Wasn't supposed to be there in the first place.

..........Thank God the "Unplugged" fad/money grab albums are long gone!!!

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How did they possibly overlook this amazing track?
First of all I thought this was a cover, but I love the jam, I love the melody I love the changes rhythm, and I love the lyrics, what’s not to love about this superb piece… Except why why why have they not released it?

I am with you!!!!!!!!!!!!

fyi.the title is from a 60's lyric by singer Charlie Rich, and also likely was urban slang as I recall. (the song was titled "Mohair Sam")

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Do we have a consensus on the lineup from the original sessions? I understand Wood overdubbed a guitar 50 years later, but I'm specifically talking about the one featured on the "fully finished outtakes".

I hear:

Jagger - vocals
Richards - acoustic
Taylor - electric guitar (I've gone back and forth between Taylor/Richards here, but the perfect bends and vibrato in the solo lend to Taylor)
Wyman - bass
Watts - drums

Preston - piano

Although it has a very Goats Head vibe, I believe this version is from the IORR sessions. I'm guessing there is one in the vaults from 1972. Or did this version originate in Miami and it was worked on a few years later?


Side note: I feel like this could have originated with Jagger behind the piano.

Update. After listening intently:

Jagger - vocals
Taylor - acoustic
Richards - electric guitar
Wyman - bass
Watts - drums

Preston - piano

I believe this makes more sense. I think Taylor played acoustic on a handful of "Jagger songs", while Richards played lead or ornamental parts.

It's a song they should've thrown away. It's awful.

Of the deluxe tracks this is the one I think is the most 'Tattoo Youed'. Jagger took the old out-take and updated it to fit his mouth here and now, not even trying to copy the 'original'. I like his fragile and smooth delivery in the early versions - there is a peculiar charm there - but the new, finally finished version has the Tattoo You-like determination, the dude knowing exactly what he does. The strong, matured voice is full of experience and urge, of blues and soul. Convincing.

Would have fitted to the B side of TATTOO YOU. The sort of texture, melodical richness and its over-all depthness. One of the very best things I have heard from them for a very long time. Still a personal favourite.

- Doxa



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