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I totally disagree, for at least a couple of reasons, Mick historically never wanted a copy, never wanted it in the Stones Taylor is very different from Brian and Wood is very different from Taylor, Darryl Jones is very different from Bill.Quote
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Maybe Rip was paid by Mick to sort of be a facsimile of Keith...a Keith clone...a Keith-alike...a Keith wannabe...to give the appearance of Keith...sort of a shadow and an echo of the real thing...
Maybe. That seems quite plausible to me.
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TestifyI totally disagree, for at least a couple of reasons, Mick historically never wanted a copy, never wanted it in the Stones Taylor is very different from Brian and Wood is very different from Taylor, Darryl Jones is very different from Bill.Quote
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Maybe Rip was paid by Mick to sort of be a facsimile of Keith...a Keith clone...a Keith-alike...a Keith wannabe...to give the appearance of Keith...sort of a shadow and an echo of the real thing...
Maybe. That seems quite plausible to me.
Mick Jagger isn't stupid and he knew very well he couldn't do Stones 2, and if you listen to them they sound completely different from the Stones. So nobody there wants to be Keith, but just play Rolling Stones songs each with their own style, which you may like more or less.
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Why blame Jimmy Rip? He's doing what he's paid for. Professionally so. He can't turn himself into Keith Richards. The blame belongs somewhere else...
Ummmmm...what? You just made my point. You're right, he can't turn himself into Keith Richards. Exactly. If you're a wannabe the blames belongs with the person wanting to be.
That's not a point. That is an assumption from your side. You assume he wants to be Keith Richards. You claim he's a Keith Richards wannabe. I don't think anything of that is true.
Seriously? It is a point. You don't think it's true. That's an opinion. My post is also an opinion. The point being that he can't turn himself into Keith. That's a point we seem to agree on. The rest of this is unraveling a bit. I'm not a Rip fan, I'll leave it at that. Gold Rings On Ya.
This "Gold Rings On Ya" fanfare makes me think that this may actually be a case of one Keith wannabe accusing another person of (allegedly) being a Keith wannabe.
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Keith's point of view is accurate about Mick's tour:
Keith Richards (August 1988): Mick in Japan
I thought it was very sad that a high percentage of his show was Rolling Stones songs. If you're going to do something on your own, do stuff off the two albums you did. Don't pretend you're a solo artist and have two chicks prancing around doing Tumbling Dice, do you know what I mean? That severely pisses me off.
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Yet he quickly turned off his anger as the 1989 "triumphant return" was a straight copy of Mick 88 solo venture. In less than a year Keith went from "severely pissed" to "hey Mick inflatable dolls? Great idea!!"
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It is logical that Keith commented that way, he was pissed ... but he too did the same in his concerts. Sure he did play few Stones songs, but only because it was another kind of show.
Keith played in small spaces, Mick put on a great show and people would be pissed if he didn't play the Stones classics.
Comparing things makes no sense, what Keith said was dictated by his pissed mood.
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[Keith] turned into a street pop lemonade stand artist with the ridiculous spray painting of his pants and shoes.
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Keith criticized Mick for doing the Stones stuff in his
solo tour yet he did the same in his own solo tour.
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Yep thats it ....
No matter what it is Mick gets the blame ....
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Keith criticized Mick for doing the Stones stuff in his
solo tour yet he did the same in his own solo tour.
So true...not:
Setlist Mick Tokyo, March 22nd, 1988
Honky Tonk Women
Throwaway
Bitch
Let's Spend the Night Together
Beast of Burden
Tumbling Dice
Miss You
Ruby Tuesday
Just Another Night
War Baby
Harlem Shuffle
Say You Will
Party Doll
You Can't Always Get What You Want
Radio Control
Gimme Shelter
Start Me Up
Brown Sugar
It's Only Rock 'n' Roll (but I Like It)
Jumpin' Jack Flash
Sympathy for the Devil
(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction
Setlist Keith Köln 1992, a tv broadcast btw:
Take It So Hard
Eileen
Wicked As It Seems
Gimme Shelter
Too Rude
Yap Yap
How I Wish
999
Big Enough
Demon
Time Is on My Side
Hate It When You Leave
I Could Have Stood You Up
Before They Make Me Run
Bodytalks
Will But You Won't
Happy
Whip It Up
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If I was a fan of Mick's solo material back then and paid to see Mick solo, I might have been upset he didn't play more solo tunes instead of over-clogging his set with so many Stones tunes played by his covers band.
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If I was a fan of Mick's solo material back then and paid to see Mick solo, I might have been upset he didn't play more solo tunes instead of over-clogging his set with so many Stones tunes played by his covers band.
I never heard of a Mick solo fan actually.. someone who's a fan of Mick's solo work and doesn't like the Stones and doesn't want to hear Stones tunes at a Mick Jagger concert.. it's a weird thing
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Keith criticized Mick for doing the Stones stuff in his
solo tour yet he did the same in his own solo tour.
So true...not:
Setlist Mick Tokyo, March 22nd, 1988
Honky Tonk Women
Throwaway
Bitch
Let's Spend the Night Together
Beast of Burden
Tumbling Dice
Miss You
Ruby Tuesday
Just Another Night
War Baby
Harlem Shuffle
Say You Will
Party Doll
You Can't Always Get What You Want
Radio Control
Gimme Shelter
Start Me Up
Brown Sugar
It's Only Rock 'n' Roll (but I Like It)
Jumpin' Jack Flash
Sympathy for the Devil
(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction
Setlist Keith Köln 1992, a tv broadcast btw:
Take It So Hard
Eileen
Wicked As It Seems
Gimme Shelter
Too Rude
Yap Yap
How I Wish
999
Big Enough
Demon
Time Is on My Side
Hate It When You Leave
I Could Have Stood You Up
Before They Make Me Run
Bodytalks
Will But You Won't
Happy
Whip It Up
Clearly Keith has more integrity as a solo artist, and his complaint about Mick milking the Stones catalogue is completely justified.
If I was a fan of Mick's solo material back then and paid to see Mick solo, I might have been upset he didn't play more solo tunes instead of over-clogging his set with so many Stones tunes played by his covers band.
Keith on the other hand only threw in a few Stones tunes - seems the proper thing to do, and a nice gesture to give the crowd a small taste of the Stones. There's really no comparison here, and Keith was rightly pissed off.
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Ha - I did notice Before They Make Me Run on that list, but overlooked Too Rude - not one of the Stones' (or Keith's) better cover tunes imo.
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Clearly Keith has more integrity as a solo artist, and his complaint about Mick milking the Stones catalogue is completely justified.