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Good lord, Jimmy Rip is so painfully average and such a Keith wannabe...down to some of the poses/stances and the scarves. He is part of the reason I think 'Wandering Spirit' is so overrated and why the early albums are better despite the 80's slick production, if for no other reason than the presence of Jeff Beck, Vernon Reid, Nile Rodgers, Pete Townshend, Herbie Hancock etc...though I think Rip does appear a bit on the 'Primitive Cool' album.
It was very interesting to hear Jagger do "Wild Colonial Boy". I never knew he performed that one. Man, I haven't watched "Ned Kelly" in years.
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Keith's point of view is accurate about Mick's tour:
Keith Richards (August 1988): Mick in Japan
I thought it was very sad that a high percentage of his show was Rolling Stones songs. If you're going to do something on your own, do stuff off the two albums you did. Don't pretend you're a solo artist and have two chicks prancing around doing Tumbling Dice, do you know what I mean? That severely pisses me off.
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Mariuana
Did not Keith himself do some of the Stones bits while touring solo? I mean, Gimme Shelter, Happy, Before They Make Me Run and others. Or was it just his prerogative to do some of the Stones songs with the Winos?
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Did not Keith himself do some of the Stones bits while touring solo? I mean, Gimme Shelter, Happy, Before They Make Me Run and others. Or was it just his prerogative to do some of the Stones songs with the Winos?
Well, two of those three were basically his songs and even Gimme Shelter was something he takes a lot of credit for.
I read once he was especially upset that Mick did Beast of Burden, feeling that was mostly 'his' song.
But I think most of his anger was really fear that Mick's solo tour would work. Leaving him out of his own band.
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It weren't just three songs actually. The question was not really who gets more credits for which of the songs. It does not matter. It was if Keith's alone is allowed to do the Stones stuff in his solo tour while Mick, according to Keith's own words, is not.
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It weren't just three songs actually. The question was not really who gets more credits for which of the songs. It does not matter. It was if Keith's alone is allowed to do the Stones stuff in his solo tour while Mick, according to Keith's own words, is not.
The Hollywood live album has two Stones songs, both originally sung by Keith.
Jagger live in Australia had 15 Stones numbers.
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Why blame Jimmy Rip? He's doing what he's paid for. Professionally so. He can't turn himself into Keith Richards. The blame belongs somewhere else...
Ummmmm...what? You just made my point. You're right, he can't turn himself into Keith Richards. Exactly. If you're a wannabe the blames belongs with the person wanting to be.
That's not a point. That is an assumption from your side. You assume he wants to be Keith Richards. You claim he's a Keith Richards wannabe. I don't think anything of that is true.
Seriously? It is a point. You don't think it's true. That's an opinion. My post is also an opinion. The point being that he can't turn himself into Keith. That's a point we seem to agree on. The rest of this is unraveling a bit. I'm not a Rip fan, I'll leave it at that. Gold Rings On Ya.
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It weren't just three songs actually. The question was not really who gets more credits for which of the songs. It does not matter. It was if Keith's alone is allowed to do the Stones stuff in his solo tour while Mick, according to Keith's own words, is not.
The Hollywood live album has two Stones songs, both originally sung by Keith.
Jagger live in Australia had 15 Stones numbers.
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Did not Keith himself do some of the Stones bits while touring solo? I mean, Gimme Shelter, Happy, Before They Make Me Run and others. Or was it just his prerogative to do some of the Stones songs with the Winos?
Well, two of those three were basically his songs and even Gimme Shelter was something he takes a lot of credit for.
I read once he was especially upset that Mick did Beast of Burden, feeling that was mostly 'his' song.
But I think most of his anger was really fear that Mick's solo tour would work. Leaving him out of his own band.
It weren't just three songs actually. The question was not really who gets more credits for which of the songs. It does not matter. It was if Keith's alone is allowed to do the Stones stuff in his solo tour while Mick, according to Keith's own words, is not.
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Hairball
Can't think of any other musician that goes solo and plays more than a small handful of tunes from their main (sometimes former) group.
Usually they go solo because they have something else to say outside of their group, and their solo material makes up a majority of their setlists,
yet for some reason Mick thought it was a good idea to perform 15 Stones songs? Might be a bit more understandable if the Stones no longer existed,
but the fact is they were still a band for all intents and purposes, and it's really no wonder why Keith was pissed off and said what he did.
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Hairball
Sounds a bit farfetched that he would go to such lengths imo - even to the point of lashing out like a dictator - "We will do it my way, or else"!!!
In reality, and in my opinion, seems he was chasing the fame and glory as an individual outside of the band, and had he had any success, the Stones would have been history.
Thankfully, his attempt was unsuccessful.
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Sounds a bit farfetched that he would go to such lengths imo - even to the point of lashing out like a dictator - "We will do it my way, or else"!!!
In reality, and in my opinion, seems he was chasing the fame and glory as an individual outside of the band, and had he had any success, the Stones would have been history.
Thankfully, his attempt was unsuccessful.
Jagger "chasing fame and glory as an individual"? I mean, how much more fame and glory as he'd already enjoyed as the world's most famous and glorious performer could he possibly have gained? Jagger is no idiot, nor even just naive.
He would not have started this solo adventure if everything had been alright in the Stones camp. Plus he made perfectly clear that he did not want to tour with the Stones at the time because "physically, the band was in no shape to tour".
The solo tours were his vision of how the Stones should sound in future and also a warning signal to certain band members that they'd better clean up their acts.
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Sounds a bit farfetched that he would go to such lengths imo - even to the point of lashing out like a dictator - "We will do it my way, or else"!!!
In reality, and in my opinion, seems he was chasing the fame and glory as an individual outside of the band, and had he had any success, the Stones would have been history.
Thankfully, his attempt was unsuccessful.
Jagger "chasing fame and glory as an individual"? I mean, how much more fame and glory as he'd already enjoyed as the world's most famous and glorious performer could he possibly have gained? Jagger is no idiot, nor even just naive.
He would not have started this solo adventure if everything had been alright in the Stones camp. Plus he made perfectly clear that he did not want to tour with the Stones at the time because "physically, the band was in no shape to tour".
The solo tours were his vision of how the Stones should sound in future and also a warning signal to certain band members that they'd better clean up their acts.
Similar to Sting and Michael Jackson (and others who leave their bands/groups), seems clear he wanted the limelight all to himself without all the baggage.
He'd been trying to chase the fame and glory as an individual outside of the Stones since She's the Boss in '85 (probably even before that), even performing solo at Live Aid while two his bandmates played with Dylan.
Yet you say he was sending out "a warning signal" in '88 by having a second solo album with Primitive Cool, putting together a band, going out on tour, all just to to send a warning signal to certain band members...
Again, sounds WAY too farfetched to me, but if you think that's the way it was so be it. I'm just glad his experimental solo adventure didn't work out as he might have hoped, otherwise no more Stones.
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IrelandCalling4
Very enjoyable, watched Deep Down Under and Tokyo. The full Tokyo shortlist that night si think was 16 Stones songs and 6 solo tunes. Hardly a man promoting a potential solo career, more as wonder boy remarked above, a first step to touring on his own, playing a Stones set basically but with a new band.
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Why blame Jimmy Rip? He's doing what he's paid for. Professionally so. He can't turn himself into Keith Richards. The blame belongs somewhere else...
Ummmmm...what? You just made my point. You're right, he can't turn himself into Keith Richards. Exactly. If you're a wannabe the blames belongs with the person wanting to be.
That's not a point. That is an assumption from your side. You assume he wants to be Keith Richards. You claim he's a Keith Richards wannabe. I don't think anything of that is true.
Seriously? It is a point. You don't think it's true. That's an opinion. My post is also an opinion. The point being that he can't turn himself into Keith. That's a point we seem to agree on. The rest of this is unraveling a bit. I'm not a Rip fan, I'll leave it at that. Gold Rings On Ya.
This "Gold Rings On Ya" fanfare makes me think that this may actually be a case of one Keith wannabe accusing another person of (allegedly) being a Keith wannabe.