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ryanpow
They've always had outside song writers, they just don't give them credit.
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Rockman
dumb idea .... Mick and Keef
have pissarsed around with others
here and there but the best stuff
has always come from The Glimmers ...
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Rockman
The problem is Erik that ....
There's ABSOLUTELY NOTHING rock n roll about Bali ... NOTHING
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jbwelda
Paul Stanley? You mean KISS?
Jesus Christ, now I have heard everything. Of course KISS does it, they got no talent beyond long disgusting tongues, and that only takes one so far.
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ryanpow
They've always had outside song writers, they just don't give them credit.
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jbwelda
Well then sKILLs, now I have heard everything, once again. Here I thought KISS was strictly for thirteen year old girls, or maybe basement dwelling Kabuki enthusiasts. And you know, your little attempt at character assassination kind of fits that stereotype too. So thanks for the confirmation.
It doesn't take much "rock and roll credentials" (thats hilarious in and of itself) to call it as I see it. KISS and "rock and roll" don't belong in the same sentence. Hows that for "reactionary"?
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Stoneage
Jagger is already stealing songs from the charts. Like Anybody Seen My Baby for instance.
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jbwelda
Well then sKILLs, now I have heard everything, once again. Here I thought KISS was strictly for thirteen year old girls, or maybe basement dwelling Kabuki enthusiasts. And you know, your little attempt at character assassination kind of fits that stereotype too. So thanks for the confirmation.
It doesn't take much "rock and roll credentials" (thats hilarious in and of itself) to call it as I see it. KISS and "rock and roll" don't belong in the same sentence. Hows that for "reactionary"?
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Stoneage
Jagger is already stealing songs from the charts. Like Anybody Seen My Baby for instance.
There is nothing new in that. Him and Keith has been doing that since the day they started making songs (like all great song-writers of their generation and ever). Some of those 'borrowings' turned out to be hit singles and iconic songs. k.d.lang got lucky due to their tight schedule ($$$$) back then - just to avoid any possible hassle 'just in case'. Getting a credit was a nice surprise to k.d. lang - like she said she was “completely honored and flattered”. Would there been a law suit, if not co-credited, I highly doubt...
Had they have had more daughters with good ears around while writing stuff like "The Last Time", "Satisfaction" and "Paint It Black" we might have seen a lot of co-creditions.... Even if the artist in question could not be named - being even the famous 'trad' - that still would be, to use your way to put it, "stealing songs from the charts".
Only God, if exists, creates something out of nothing... of the more mortal artists, the true pros steal....
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DandelionPowderman
Which song was PIB "inspired" by?
I hear what you are saying and making some great points and i would also add that the Beatles tunes you referenced versus Paint It Black for example rocks more where the Beatles 2 tunes are more of the folk variety . Then take Lady Jayne and it has some elements such as Norwegian Wood but i can't draw a line together linking the 2 . Who knows maybe the Glimmers were watching and listening closely yet coming up with there own perspective on the melodies . At the end i am severely biased towards the Glimmers .Quote
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DandelionPowderman
Which song was PIB "inspired" by?
At the time "Paint It Black" was recorded there had been on the charts - just a few months earlier - "My World Is Empty Without You" by Supremes. The rough idea of basic melody line and structure of "Paint it Black" is there. Have a listen... It wasn't the first or last time Keith or other English rockers were listening Motown and other American R&B artists ears open and picking up 'inspiration'...
However, Keith's greatness - a touch of genius actually - was continue the basic riff/melody line of the verse by additional notes, which give the song its peculiar and irrestible Eastern twist (or 'Gypsy' like Keith himself has described it), the point Brian's sitar really really hit home - actually coping, consciously or not, note to note an actual arabic folk song, expect the 'original' have one extra lower note added to the melody (I tried to find it on youtube but sorry couldn't - the resemblance was shown to me ages ago). Keith's antenna had a huge radius at the time...
(The Beatlogists would say something about the example of "Norwegian Wood" (sitar) and "Eleonar Rigby" (lyrical idea) but they talk always so much and see things nobody else does, so let us not count them.)
As is with great art: no matter the 'inspiration', that is, picking up certain ideas and elements from here and there, the result is unique and original sounding. And it is their most popular song nowadays!
- Doxa